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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | I doubt many have a problem with some thinking he will be a superstar but some will disagree with that assessment. I am one, I don't think he will be the #1 option but can still be a valuable role player. |
I agree, though Ocho clearly stated it's a problem for him.
I don't see a role player in Ingram, neither does his teammates or front office. You believing he probably won't be a superstar is fine, trying to make an argument that he won't based on rookie numbers is something else altogether. |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | We'll be having an Ingram party and someone will crash in.. "Hey Hey HEEEYYYY" Knock that shet off, look at his ft percentage, stop the music, stop the dancing, have you seen his lousy 3 point shooting percentage? Take your assis home lol..
And it's all good I guess, we all should be able to express dissent, but it's always the same argument with some of you. |
How dare people discuss his actual play on the court. |
You're missing the point..
When you come in here with the same critiques it get's redundant. And why you'd have a problem with people believing he's going to be a superstar is beyond me. Or why you'd feel the need to try to convince them he may not, based on rookie numbers is pretty ridiculous. How many times do you wanna state he struggled with his FT's and 3pointer??? As if this is some new revelation for the rest of us.
So be redundant to your hearts content. I'm just calling it out. |
I don't know why it's anymore redundant than the steady fawning. Only difference is you like the fawning.
I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else of anything. I am totally on board for Brandon making a stunning and historic leap and being a completely different human being than he was last year. Maybe it happens. Today though, it's based almost entirely on wishful thinking and length. He should be judged by his play on a basketball court, not in the dreams of fans.
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | I doubt many have a problem with some thinking he will be a superstar but some will disagree with that assessment. I am one, I don't think he will be the #1 option but can still be a valuable role player. |
I agree, though Ocho clearly stated it's a problem for him.
I don't see a role player in Ingram, neither does his teammates or front office. You believing he probably won't be a superstar is fine, trying to make an argument that he won't based on rookie numbers is something else altogether. |
I think Ingram projects out to be better than a role player, but I don't see a superstar. I don't see why this is a heretical position.
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | We'll be having an Ingram party and someone will crash in.. "Hey Hey HEEEYYYY" Knock that shet off, look at his ft percentage, stop the music, stop the dancing, have you seen his lousy 3 point shooting percentage? Take your assis home lol..
And it's all good I guess, we all should be able to express dissent, but it's always the same argument with some of you. |
How dare people discuss his actual play on the court. |
You're missing the point..
When you come in here with the same critiques it get's redundant. And why you'd have a problem with people believing he's going to be a superstar is beyond me. Or why you'd feel the need to try to convince them he may not, based on rookie numbers is pretty ridiculous. How many times do you wanna state he struggled with his FT's and 3pointer??? As if this is some new revelation for the rest of us.
So be redundant to your hearts content. I'm just calling it out. |
I don't know why it's anymore redundant than the steady fawning. Only difference is you like the fawning.
I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else of anything. I am totally on board for Brandon making a stunning and historic leap and being a completely different human being than he was last year. Maybe it happens. Today though, it's based almost entirely on wishful thinking and length. He should be judged by his play on a basketball court, not in the dreams of fans. |
The fawning and optimism is actually based on his on court play, and his physical attributes. Not dreams.. lol. You keep believing what you want though. |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | We'll be having an Ingram party and someone will crash in.. "Hey Hey HEEEYYYY" Knock that shet off, look at his ft percentage, stop the music, stop the dancing, have you seen his lousy 3 point shooting percentage? Take your assis home lol..
And it's all good I guess, we all should be able to express dissent, but it's always the same argument with some of you. |
How dare people discuss his actual play on the court. |
You're missing the point..
When you come in here with the same critiques it get's redundant. And why you'd have a problem with people believing he's going to be a superstar is beyond me. Or why you'd feel the need to try to convince them he may not, based on rookie numbers is pretty ridiculous. How many times do you wanna state he struggled with his FT's and 3pointer??? As if this is some new revelation for the rest of us.
So be redundant to your hearts content. I'm just calling it out. |
I don't know why it's anymore redundant than the steady fawning. Only difference is you like the fawning.
I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else of anything. I am totally on board for Brandon making a stunning and historic leap and being a completely different human being than he was last year. Maybe it happens. Today though, it's based almost entirely on wishful thinking and length. He should be judged by his play on a basketball court, not in the dreams of fans. |
The fawning and optimism is actually based on his on court play, and his physical attributes. Not dreams.. lol. You keep believing what you want though. |
Based on his on court play thus far...Yeah. It's based on dreams. And physical attributes.
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | We'll be having an Ingram party and someone will crash in.. "Hey Hey HEEEYYYY" Knock that shet off, look at his ft percentage, stop the music, stop the dancing, have you seen his lousy 3 point shooting percentage? Take your assis home lol..
And it's all good I guess, we all should be able to express dissent, but it's always the same argument with some of you. |
How dare people discuss his actual play on the court. |
You're missing the point..
When you come in here with the same critiques it get's redundant. And why you'd have a problem with people believing he's going to be a superstar is beyond me. Or why you'd feel the need to try to convince them he may not, based on rookie numbers is pretty ridiculous. How many times do you wanna state he struggled with his FT's and 3pointer??? As if this is some new revelation for the rest of us.
So be redundant to your hearts content. I'm just calling it out. |
I don't know why it's anymore redundant than the steady fawning. Only difference is you like the fawning.
I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else of anything. I am totally on board for Brandon making a stunning and historic leap and being a completely different human being than he was last year. Maybe it happens. Today though, it's based almost entirely on wishful thinking and length. He should be judged by his play on a basketball court, not in the dreams of fans. |
The fawning and optimism is actually based on his on court play, and his physical attributes. Not dreams.. lol. You keep believing what you want though. |
Based on his on court play thus far...Yeah. It's based on dreams. And physical attributes. |
Like I said, believe what you want. I guess all the GM's that inquired about Ingram are in lala land, along with the Laker front office, along with his teammates as well.
This exchange is pointless, btw. No need in continuing it. |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | We'll be having an Ingram party and someone will crash in.. "Hey Hey HEEEYYYY" Knock that shet off, look at his ft percentage, stop the music, stop the dancing, have you seen his lousy 3 point shooting percentage? Take your assis home lol..
And it's all good I guess, we all should be able to express dissent, but it's always the same argument with some of you. |
How dare people discuss his actual play on the court. |
You're missing the point..
When you come in here with the same critiques it get's redundant. And why you'd have a problem with people believing he's going to be a superstar is beyond me. Or why you'd feel the need to try to convince them he may not, based on rookie numbers is pretty ridiculous. How many times do you wanna state he struggled with his FT's and 3pointer??? As if this is some new revelation for the rest of us.
So be redundant to your hearts content. I'm just calling it out. |
I don't know why it's anymore redundant than the steady fawning. Only difference is you like the fawning.
I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else of anything. I am totally on board for Brandon making a stunning and historic leap and being a completely different human being than he was last year. Maybe it happens. Today though, it's based almost entirely on wishful thinking and length. He should be judged by his play on a basketball court, not in the dreams of fans. |
The fawning and optimism is actually based on his on court play, and his physical attributes. Not dreams.. lol. You keep believing what you want though. |
Based on his on court play thus far...Yeah. It's based on dreams. And physical attributes. |
Like I said, believe what you want. I guess all the GM's that inquired about Ingram are in lala land, along with the Laker front office, along with his teammates as well.
This exchange is pointless, btw. No need in continuing it. |
...Inquiring about a player does not mean you think he's a superstar...
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What is going on in here? 
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | We'll be having an Ingram party and someone will crash in.. "Hey Hey HEEEYYYY" Knock that shet off, look at his ft percentage, stop the music, stop the dancing, have you seen his lousy 3 point shooting percentage? Take your assis home lol..
And it's all good I guess, we all should be able to express dissent, but it's always the same argument with some of you. |
How dare people discuss his actual play on the court. |
You're missing the point..
When you come in here with the same critiques it get's redundant. And why you'd have a problem with people believing he's going to be a superstar is beyond me. Or why you'd feel the need to try to convince them he may not, based on rookie numbers is pretty ridiculous. How many times do you wanna state he struggled with his FT's and 3pointer??? As if this is some new revelation for the rest of us.
So be redundant to your hearts content. I'm just calling it out. |
I don't know why it's anymore redundant than the steady fawning. Only difference is you like the fawning.
I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else of anything. I am totally on board for Brandon making a stunning and historic leap and being a completely different human being than he was last year. Maybe it happens. Today though, it's based almost entirely on wishful thinking and length. He should be judged by his play on a basketball court, not in the dreams of fans. |
The fawning and optimism is actually based on his on court play, and his physical attributes. Not dreams.. lol. You keep believing what you want though. |
Based on his on court play thus far...Yeah. It's based on dreams. And physical attributes. |
Like I said, believe what you want. I guess all the GM's that inquired about Ingram are in lala land, along with the Laker front office, along with his teammates as well.
This exchange is pointless, btw. No need in continuing it. |
...Inquiring about a player does not mean you think he's a superstar... |
Did I communicate that to you in some way? Move on.. There's nothing of value coming from our exchange, our views are on opposite ends of the spectrum. That's not changing. Move on. |
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SocalDevin
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | What is going on in here? |
You see it Yin.. lol |
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| I think people are expecting a bit much from him this season. The big thing with him is his development physically. He's still very lanky and hasn't quite matured yet. KD was very much the same. I do think we see significant improvement, but I really expect to see all star caliber play in his third year after another offseason of work in the gym. |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | What is going on in here? |
You see it Yin.. lol |
I think highly of Ingram's future. But i can also see him going through the inevitably struggles that lots of 19-20 year olds do. See Russell, D'Angelo.
While he put up some pedestrian stats in year 1, i'm not foreclosing his future solely on that. However, there is no guarantee he's a superstar either.
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| Quote: | | While he put up some pedestrian stats in year 1, i'm not foreclosing his future solely on that. |
Nobody is.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | What is going on in here? |
You see it Yin.. lol |
I think highly of Ingram's future. But i can also see him going through the inevitably struggles that lots of 19-20 year olds do. See Russell, D'Angelo.
While he put up some pedestrian stats in year 1, i'm not foreclosing his future solely on that. However, there is no guarantee he's a superstar either. |
I don't see how anyone can guarantee he'll be a superstar. I wouldn't even guarantee first year Kobe, or KD as superstars. Way too many variables.
With that being said I like Ingram's odds.
I don't believe anyone in here has stated unequivocally that Ingram will average 20PPg next season. It's possible yes, likely? No.. not likely, but possible. |
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Future is bright for BI. I just love his attitude and his effort out there on the floor. He earned a ton of minutes from Luke in his first season because he has the right attitude. He is humble, he loves to play D, he does what the coaching staff tells him to do.
His attitude combined with his eye popping physical attributes are why I feel he will go on and maximize his potential.
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| Dr. Funkbot wrote: | Future is bright for BI. I just love his attitude and his effort out there on the floor. He earned a ton of minutes from Luke in his first season because he has the right attitude. He is humble, he loves to play D, he does what the coaching staff tells him to do.
His attitude combined with his eye popping physical attributes are why I feel he will go on and maximize his potential. |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | By the same token, he put up his best numbers while getting 35mpg in a point of the season where they sat veterans and much of the league was playing for next year. The list of guys to put up their biggest numbers of the season in March & April is pretty long for that exact reason.
I see him around 14ppg this year. I expect Lopez, Randle, KCP, Clarkson, & possibly Lonzo to be double figure scorers, with Lopez being our #1 scorer by a decent margin and the others (including Ingram) being pretty closely grouped together, with Lonzo closer to 10ppg than 15ppg. |
Yea, based on the offense we (hopefully) will run and some minute restrictions due to the depth of our team, I don't anticipate anyone on our roster averaging the 20+ PPG some project for Ingram and/or Randle, regardless of whether the specific player being discussed is capable of it. That being said, if the team suddenly explodes offensively to average something like 110+PPG as a team (in part because of the offense Ball brings), that will raise everyone's scoring averages and, in that case, could mean a 20+PPG scorer or two. We'd have to become a top 5 offensive team in terms of both efficiency and pace, but its not impossible (just not probable).
At the least, I expect Lopez, Randle, Ingram, Clarkson and KCP to all hover in that 12PPG to 18PPG range, in some order. My guess is Randle/Lopez/Ingram at the top of that range with KCP and Clarkson at the bottom (especially because they may limit each other's minutes to some degree). Ball, assuming he shoots at least 30% from 3 this year, may project to about 11-12PPG, but, if he shoots really poorly from 3 and/or plays under 30 minutes per game, I could see single figure scoring instead.
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | Future is bright for BI. I just love his attitude and his effort out there on the floor. He earned a ton of minutes from Luke in his first season because he has the right attitude. He is humble, he loves to play D, he does what the coaching staff tells him to do.
His attitude combined with his eye popping physical attributes are why I feel he will go on and maximize his potential. |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | I see him around 14ppg this year. I expect Lopez, Randle, KCP, Clarkson, & possibly Lonzo to be double figure scorers, with Lopez being our #1 scorer by a decent margin and the others (including Ingram) being pretty closely grouped together, with Lonzo closer to 10ppg than 15ppg. |
The only thing I'd add in Ingram's column is that Magic has boasted he believes Brandon will lead the team in scoring. Perhaps that influences Luke's play calling (never a bad thing to curry favor with management) and Brandon's aggressiveness to some degree, more so than it would if this was a meritocracy. Still, I have faith in Lonzo's innate ability to sniff out the guys who deserve the most FGA's. |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | What is going on in here? |
You see it Yin.. lol |
I think Ingram is going to be a star, and i think lonzo is going to speed the process, but inalso think you're being a rather aggressive, hypocritical, high volume and angst to content ratio guy. Do better.
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If numbers is all you use to judge a player then......
Ingram has had the worst physical transition of any player in the last few years. 18 yr old, 180lb, playing heavy heavy minutes against top wing players is not an easy thing to do, and he still showed by the end of the year that he will be a star but thats if you can read the game with a scorebox. |
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SocalDevin
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| Omar Little wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | What is going on in here? |
You see it Yin.. lol |
I think Ingram is going to be a star, and i think lonzo is going to speed the process, but inalso think you're being a rather aggressive, hypocritical, high volume and angst to content ratio guy. Do better. |
I'm not doing anything different. I've been respectful. You wanna ban go ahead. I diffused the convo with Ocho when I saw it wasn't going anywhere. No insults were exchanged.
I'm not aggressive or hypocritical, or high volume. You do better in moderating, cause you're way off in your assessment of what I'm doing, or how I'm conducting myself.
((YOUR RECENT POSTING HISTORY INCLUDES A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH WITH AND ABOUT OTHER POSTERS. LET'S GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT THE PLAYERS AND NOT EACH OTHER, PLEASE - JMK)) |
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[If you have a problem with how we moderate and disagree with our conclusions, PM a mod. Don't derail the thread with your defense. - LS]
Don't derail the thread? But at the same time you try to admonish me in that same thread? Instead of PMing me? |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | [If you have a problem with how we moderate and disagree with our conclusions, PM a mod. Don't derail the thread with your defense. - LS]
Don't derail the thread? But at the same time you try to admonish me in that same thread? Instead of PMing me? |
Ok, that three tries by three mods. Enough.
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