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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:02 am    Post subject:

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go..


I hope to see this today as an experiment. Some say it won't work cause Ingram is too slow, but I would like to see this attempted for a good amount of minutes.

Who knows, maybe Ingram suddenly finds a good niche there? Stranger things have happened.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:35 am    Post subject:

If we're experimenting some line ups I'd like to see

Lopez
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:51 am    Post subject:

From Zach Lowe's column today (though i think it's partially in good fun--i.e. we don't need the always useful "He's a Celtic fan/Laker hater" comments)

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Related bonus prediction: Indiana is a near-lock to flip one or both of Bogdanovic and Darren Collison, guaranteed just $3.5 million combined in 2018-19. If the Lakers send Luol Deng and Brandon Ingram to Indy for those deals (and some sweetener), the league should be very afraid L.A. knows a certain someone is in the bag.


Not that I think this would happen, but if the Lakers are as far from a playoff team as I think they'll be--which means they're as untalented as we're afraid they are (or, i should say, years away from maturing into what could be a talented team), you're not getting Lebron and another max guy here to take a discount for the chance to play with a sophomore Lonzo and a redshirt junior Ingram. You'll need max money for that. If by the end of the year Lebron barely knows who Ingram is, his best value might be in getting rid of Deng.

Edit: even though i've joked about this, i think it would be really dumb to do this unless Lebron is sitting with a pen in his hand and just waiting for us to add a few more million to his deal. Trading another lottery pick we suffered a whole losing season for just to undo a bad contract--even one time--was, to me, a catastrophe. If we did it again, we'd need to invent a new word for it.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:11 am    Post subject:

Megaton wrote:
AshesToAshes wrote:
ball
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lopez

go..


I hope to see this today as an experiment. Some say it won't work cause Ingram is too slow, but I would like to see this attempted for a good amount of minutes.

Who knows, maybe Ingram suddenly finds a good niche there? Stranger things have happened.


if pigs flew, i'd say this was the reason behind what we see in BI. a tryout for SG position BUT he thought too much and took it to mean "can you fill kobe's shoes". hahaha.

so now we'll take a page from kuzma's book and stay within himself and the system.

Then he takes the benching better as he just shuffled for KCP not kuzma.

... if only pigs flew.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:21 am    Post subject:

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From Zach Lowe's column today (though i think it's partially in good fun--i.e. we don't need the always useful "He's a Celtic fan/Laker hater" comments)

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Related bonus prediction: Indiana is a near-lock to flip one or both of Bogdanovic and Darren Collison, guaranteed just $3.5 million combined in 2018-19. If the Lakers send Luol Deng and Brandon Ingram to Indy for those deals (and some sweetener), the league should be very afraid L.A. knows a certain someone is in the bag.


Not that I think this would happen, but if the Lakers are as far from a playoff team as I think they'll be--which means they're as untalented as we're afraid they are (or, i should say, years away from maturing into what could be a talented team), you're not getting Lebron and another max guy here to take a discount for the chance to play with a sophomore Lonzo and a redshirt junior Ingram. You'll need max money for that. If by the end of the year Lebron barely knows who Ingram is, his best value might be in getting rid of Deng.

Edit: even though i've joked about this, i think it would be really dumb to do this unless Lebron is sitting with a pen in his hand and just waiting for us to add a few more million to his deal. Trading another lottery pick we suffered a whole losing season for just to undo a bad contract--even one time--was, to me, a catastrophe. If we did it again, we'd need to invent a new word for it.


I think Ingram would really have to look awful up until the Trade deadline for this to happen, Magic spent the whole offseason propping Ingram up, dont know if his ego allows him to dump him mid season
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pjiddy wrote:
From Zach Lowe's column today (though i think it's partially in good fun--i.e. we don't need the always useful "He's a Celtic fan/Laker hater" comments)

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Related bonus prediction: Indiana is a near-lock to flip one or both of Bogdanovic and Darren Collison, guaranteed just $3.5 million combined in 2018-19. If the Lakers send Luol Deng and Brandon Ingram to Indy for those deals (and some sweetener), the league should be very afraid L.A. knows a certain someone is in the bag.


Not that I think this would happen, but if the Lakers are as far from a playoff team as I think they'll be--which means they're as untalented as we're afraid they are (or, i should say, years away from maturing into what could be a talented team), you're not getting Lebron and another max guy here to take a discount for the chance to play with a sophomore Lonzo and a redshirt junior Ingram. You'll need max money for that. If by the end of the year Lebron barely knows who Ingram is, his best value might be in getting rid of Deng.

Edit: even though i've joked about this, i think it would be really dumb to do this unless Lebron is sitting with a pen in his hand and just waiting for us to add a few more million to his deal. Trading another lottery pick we suffered a whole losing season for just to undo a bad contract--even one time--was, to me, a catastrophe. If we did it again, we'd need to invent a new word for it.


I 100% agree with you. Even though i think Ingram is ultimately going to be closer to the Tayshaun Prince projection vs the KD projection. I think it would be incredibly short sighted to move him to clear cap space. Yes lebron and a side kick if they come automatically puts you back into playoff contention but how long is lebrons body going to hold up. Even as big and muscular as he is eventually time catches up to everybody and he has logged a ton of minutes.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:39 am    Post subject:

pmacla wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
From Zach Lowe's column today (though i think it's partially in good fun--i.e. we don't need the always useful "He's a Celtic fan/Laker hater" comments)

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Related bonus prediction: Indiana is a near-lock to flip one or both of Bogdanovic and Darren Collison, guaranteed just $3.5 million combined in 2018-19. If the Lakers send Luol Deng and Brandon Ingram to Indy for those deals (and some sweetener), the league should be very afraid L.A. knows a certain someone is in the bag.


Not that I think this would happen, but if the Lakers are as far from a playoff team as I think they'll be--which means they're as untalented as we're afraid they are (or, i should say, years away from maturing into what could be a talented team), you're not getting Lebron and another max guy here to take a discount for the chance to play with a sophomore Lonzo and a redshirt junior Ingram. You'll need max money for that. If by the end of the year Lebron barely knows who Ingram is, his best value might be in getting rid of Deng.

Edit: even though i've joked about this, i think it would be really dumb to do this unless Lebron is sitting with a pen in his hand and just waiting for us to add a few more million to his deal. Trading another lottery pick we suffered a whole losing season for just to undo a bad contract--even one time--was, to me, a catastrophe. If we did it again, we'd need to invent a new word for it.


I think Ingram would really have to look awful up until the Trade deadline for this to happen, Magic spent the whole offseason propping Ingram up, dont know if his ego allows him to dump him mid season


Well...he couldn't look TOO awful or no one would take him (with Deng). The other thing to remember is if Lebron (with or without PG) comes here, they need to be surrounded by shooters and defense. Ingram might be able to offer up some of the latter by next season, but he's not gonna become a knock down shooter from deep anytime soon. It's conceivable he might not even get off the bench come playoff time if he's still getting pushed around and struggling to score. I'm not dogging on BI here--i always thought he was a longterm project. But if Lebron comes here, there is no "long-term." But I wouldn't underrate Magic's ego either.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:19 am    Post subject:

this is why they should train Ingram to be a chucker, let his feet get wet this year
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:36 am    Post subject:

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That is all well and good, but can we wait until BI is 22 before we compare him to Kuz. How do we know that BI won't have the effortless stroke and more moves when he is 2 years older? Given his talent and work ethic, I think that BI will look a lot like Kuz when he is 22 in terms of scoring potential.

In watching that last game of his, he played great in the first 3 quarters and melted down in the 4'th.

I don't think he will do that again. The coaches have said it, he is pressing. He is trying too hard. It will come around for him and the first 3 quarters or the last game indicate to me that he is close to getting over trying too hard issue. Also, he is dealing with some minor injuries and has missed practice time.


Will 2 years be enough for BI to close the skill gap between he and Kuz? I think you underestimate just how underdeveloped BI's skills are and just how far along Kuz is in his skill development. Also, if Kuz is who we want BI to eventually be 2 years from now, then it doesn't make sense to start BI right now. Even if BI gets to where Kuz is now, I expect Kuz to continue to improve as well.

At this point, Kuz looks like a viable #3 option with the potential to be a #2 eventually. It might be a bit hyperbolic to say this, but he's looking like a taller, more athletic, more skilled version of Klay with streaky shooting (vs pure shooting) and a better motor.


Ingram is a better ball handler..
I think it's possible he's better offensively than Kuz is now, in 2 years. 2 years is a lot of time


That's probably the only area that BI is better than Kuz right now. Even then, BI still goes to his right most of the time. If Kuz had better handles, he'd have the potential to be a #1 option. At this point, I question BI's shotmaking ability, and that's where he has a lot of ground to make up before catching up to Kuz.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:44 am    Post subject:

One other thing worth pointing out with regards to BI and Kuz's handles is that you can tell BI has confidence in his handles and believes he can use them to get to the rim at will. However, it leads to overdribbling and overpenetration. Kuz knows his limits, so he doesn't force things off the dribble. Plus, he uses those nifty spin moves to compensate for his lack of shake off the dribble.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:45 am    Post subject:

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Haters haters and more haters..


Nah. I see a few haters, but way more who simply recognize that the kid is not ready for what Magic wants him to do this year. If he's developed the right way, (like how Kawhi was, for example) he could be real good in a few years.


If they did recognize he isn't ready for what Magic wants him to do this year and it's about whether he's developed the right way as you say, shouldn't most of the criticism be put on Magic/coaching staff and not so overwhelmingly on Ingram?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:11 am    Post subject:

Brandon looks like a newborn giraffe when he tries to force dribble drives into the paint. His outside shot is decent, but nothing to write home about.

Mgmt has def overvalued this kid...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:13 am    Post subject:

Hopefully tonight is the break out game we have been waiting for. It would be nice to end preseason with a great performance that would give him confidence going into opening night.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:18 am    Post subject:

Who does the public think is slower, Ingram or Russell? We complained that Russell was too slow to play PG, but how would he have performed as a SG with his foot-speed. Is he slower than Ingram?
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Who does the public think is slower, Ingram or Russell? We complained that Russell was too slow to play PG, but how would he have performed as a SG with his foot-speed. Is he slower than Ingram?



Ingram's issue is not having enough balance/body control to react to things at NBA speeds. When he changes momentum or shifts direction he looks like wet concrete in human form out there.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:17 am    Post subject:

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One other thing worth pointing out with regards to BI and Kuz's handles is that you can tell BI has confidence in his handles and believes he can use them to get to the rim at will. However, it leads to overdribbling and overpenetration. Kuz knows his limits, so he doesn't force things off the dribble. Plus, he uses those nifty spin moves to compensate for his lack of shake off the dribble.



the problem is teams know Ingram can't shoot, so they load back to defend his drives cause it's ALL he has, and he doesn't have Giannis's strength or athleticism to compensate for it.

So they defend him by sitting on his right cause he only has one move out of the triple threat he goes for 95% of the time which they've scouted and are starting to sit on and cause him to make offensive fouls.

And they wait for him at the rim because they know he isn't gonna make them pay with a consistent jump shot.


If Ingram was capable of coming off screens, curls and playsets to nail the jumper off the dribble like Kuzma can then you'd find he'd get many more opportunities at the basket because the defense would have to step up to defend him, thus opening up the lane and giving him an opportunity.

As it stands however the defense only has 2 moves they have to worry about, and they've already got it figured out in pre-season...

Up to Ingram to change that.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:47 am    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:
From Zach Lowe's column today (though i think it's partially in good fun--i.e. we don't need the always useful "He's a Celtic fan/Laker hater" comments)

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Related bonus prediction: Indiana is a near-lock to flip one or both of Bogdanovic and Darren Collison, guaranteed just $3.5 million combined in 2018-19. If the Lakers send Luol Deng and Brandon Ingram to Indy for those deals (and some sweetener), the league should be very afraid L.A. knows a certain someone is in the bag.


Not that I think this would happen, but if the Lakers are as far from a playoff team as I think they'll be--which means they're as untalented as we're afraid they are (or, i should say, years away from maturing into what could be a talented team), you're not getting Lebron and another max guy here to take a discount for the chance to play with a sophomore Lonzo and a redshirt junior Ingram. You'll need max money for that. If by the end of the year Lebron barely knows who Ingram is, his best value might be in getting rid of Deng.

Edit: even though i've joked about this, i think it would be really dumb to do this unless Lebron is sitting with a pen in his hand and just waiting for us to add a few more million to his deal. Trading another lottery pick we suffered a whole losing season for just to undo a bad contract--even one time--was, to me, a catastrophe. If we did it again, we'd need to invent a new word for it.


Meh, as I stated before, what is the value in dumping Deng? If you can get rid of Clarkson and not re-sign Randle, you open room for LeBron and George. That's what they should do. It might be a pain in the ass trading Clarkson for cap room (maybe even a future protected 1st) but it won't require trading BI.

Interestingly, they can then package Ingram+Deng to get a more win now type player (Deng's salary would let them get back ~20M) depending on what Ingram is worth.

But trading Ingram just to dump Deng? Makes no sense.
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al242 wrote:
Who does the public think is slower, Ingram or Russell? We complained that Russell was too slow to play PG, but how would he have performed as a SG with his foot-speed. Is he slower than Ingram?


Yes. In a straight line drive where he can put those long strides to use, Ingram can be pretty implosive.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:58 am    Post subject:

One thing I feel I've seen is BI dribbling a little high so he get's the ball swiped/deflected or loses the control going through traffic
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pjiddy wrote:
From Zach Lowe's column today (though i think it's partially in good fun--i.e. we don't need the always useful "He's a Celtic fan/Laker hater" comments)

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Related bonus prediction: Indiana is a near-lock to flip one or both of Bogdanovic and Darren Collison, guaranteed just $3.5 million combined in 2018-19. If the Lakers send Luol Deng and Brandon Ingram to Indy for those deals (and some sweetener), the league should be very afraid L.A. knows a certain someone is in the bag.


Not that I think this would happen, but if the Lakers are as far from a playoff team as I think they'll be--which means they're as untalented as we're afraid they are (or, i should say, years away from maturing into what could be a talented team), you're not getting Lebron and another max guy here to take a discount for the chance to play with a sophomore Lonzo and a redshirt junior Ingram. You'll need max money for that. If by the end of the year Lebron barely knows who Ingram is, his best value might be in getting rid of Deng.

Edit: even though i've joked about this, i think it would be really dumb to do this unless Lebron is sitting with a pen in his hand and just waiting for us to add a few more million to his deal. Trading another lottery pick we suffered a whole losing season for just to undo a bad contract--even one time--was, to me, a catastrophe. If we did it again, we'd need to invent a new word for it.


Meh, as I stated before, what is the value in dumping Deng? If you can get rid of Clarkson and not re-sign Randle, you open room for LeBron and George. That's what they should do. It might be a pain in the ass trading Clarkson for cap room (maybe even a future protected 1st) but it won't require trading BI.

Interestingly, they can then package Ingram+Deng to get a more win now type player (Deng's salary would let them get back ~20M) depending on what Ingram is worth.


But trading Ingram just to dump Deng? Makes no sense.


IF things continue like this with BI my hope would be we could do that for Klay. But obviously that would take a lot of other low probability circumstances to happen lol
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pjiddy wrote:
From Zach Lowe's column today (though i think it's partially in good fun--i.e. we don't need the always useful "He's a Celtic fan/Laker hater" comments)

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Related bonus prediction: Indiana is a near-lock to flip one or both of Bogdanovic and Darren Collison, guaranteed just $3.5 million combined in 2018-19. If the Lakers send Luol Deng and Brandon Ingram to Indy for those deals (and some sweetener), the league should be very afraid L.A. knows a certain someone is in the bag.


Not that I think this would happen, but if the Lakers are as far from a playoff team as I think they'll be--which means they're as untalented as we're afraid they are (or, i should say, years away from maturing into what could be a talented team), you're not getting Lebron and another max guy here to take a discount for the chance to play with a sophomore Lonzo and a redshirt junior Ingram. You'll need max money for that. If by the end of the year Lebron barely knows who Ingram is, his best value might be in getting rid of Deng.

Edit: even though i've joked about this, i think it would be really dumb to do this unless Lebron is sitting with a pen in his hand and just waiting for us to add a few more million to his deal. Trading another lottery pick we suffered a whole losing season for just to undo a bad contract--even one time--was, to me, a catastrophe. If we did it again, we'd need to invent a new word for it.


Meh, as I stated before, what is the value in dumping Deng? If you can get rid of Clarkson and not re-sign Randle, you open room for LeBron and George. That's what they should do. It might be a pain in the ass trading Clarkson for cap room (maybe even a future protected 1st) but it won't require trading BI.

Interestingly, they can then package Ingram+Deng to get a more win now type player (Deng's salary would let them get back ~20M) depending on what Ingram is worth.


But trading Ingram just to dump Deng? Makes no sense.


IF things continue like this with BI my hope would be we could do that for Klay. But obviously that would take a lot of other low probability circumstances to happen lol

There's no way they dump Deng and get a productive player - let alone Klay - back just for Ingram. Teams are going to want Brewer or Lopez's expiring contracts to make salaries work in those kinds of deals.
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pjiddy wrote:
From Zach Lowe's column today (though i think it's partially in good fun--i.e. we don't need the always useful "He's a Celtic fan/Laker hater" comments)

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Related bonus prediction: Indiana is a near-lock to flip one or both of Bogdanovic and Darren Collison, guaranteed just $3.5 million combined in 2018-19. If the Lakers send Luol Deng and Brandon Ingram to Indy for those deals (and some sweetener), the league should be very afraid L.A. knows a certain someone is in the bag.


Not that I think this would happen, but if the Lakers are as far from a playoff team as I think they'll be--which means they're as untalented as we're afraid they are (or, i should say, years away from maturing into what could be a talented team), you're not getting Lebron and another max guy here to take a discount for the chance to play with a sophomore Lonzo and a redshirt junior Ingram. You'll need max money for that. If by the end of the year Lebron barely knows who Ingram is, his best value might be in getting rid of Deng.

Edit: even though i've joked about this, i think it would be really dumb to do this unless Lebron is sitting with a pen in his hand and just waiting for us to add a few more million to his deal. Trading another lottery pick we suffered a whole losing season for just to undo a bad contract--even one time--was, to me, a catastrophe. If we did it again, we'd need to invent a new word for it.


Meh, as I stated before, what is the value in dumping Deng? If you can get rid of Clarkson and not re-sign Randle, you open room for LeBron and George. That's what they should do. It might be a pain in the ass trading Clarkson for cap room (maybe even a future protected 1st) but it won't require trading BI.

Interestingly, they can then package Ingram+Deng to get a more win now type player (Deng's salary would let them get back ~20M) depending on what Ingram is worth.


But trading Ingram just to dump Deng? Makes no sense.


IF things continue like this with BI my hope would be we could do that for Klay. But obviously that would take a lot of other low probability circumstances to happen lol

There's no way they dump Deng and get a productive player - let alone Klay - back just for Ingram. Teams are going to want Brewer or Lopez's expiring contracts to make salaries work in those kinds of deals.

Depends. Let's say Ingram looks decent this season. Next season, would a team not be interested in eating just 2 years of Deng (1 year of which is as an expiring) to acquire Ingram?
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My goodness if the Lakers waste two top 2 picks for salary dumps itís time to clean house again.
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From Zach Lowe's column today (though i think it's partially in good fun--i.e. we don't need the always useful "He's a Celtic fan/Laker hater" comments)

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Related bonus prediction: Indiana is a near-lock to flip one or both of Bogdanovic and Darren Collison, guaranteed just $3.5 million combined in 2018-19. If the Lakers send Luol Deng and Brandon Ingram to Indy for those deals (and some sweetener), the league should be very afraid L.A. knows a certain someone is in the bag.


Not that I think this would happen, but if the Lakers are as far from a playoff team as I think they'll be--which means they're as untalented as we're afraid they are (or, i should say, years away from maturing into what could be a talented team), you're not getting Lebron and another max guy here to take a discount for the chance to play with a sophomore Lonzo and a redshirt junior Ingram. You'll need max money for that. If by the end of the year Lebron barely knows who Ingram is, his best value might be in getting rid of Deng.

Edit: even though i've joked about this, i think it would be really dumb to do this unless Lebron is sitting with a pen in his hand and just waiting for us to add a few more million to his deal. Trading another lottery pick we suffered a whole losing season for just to undo a bad contract--even one time--was, to me, a catastrophe. If we did it again, we'd need to invent a new word for it.


Meh, as I stated before, what is the value in dumping Deng? If you can get rid of Clarkson and not re-sign Randle, you open room for LeBron and George. That's what they should do. It might be a pain in the ass trading Clarkson for cap room (maybe even a future protected 1st) but it won't require trading BI.

Interestingly, they can then package Ingram+Deng to get a more win now type player (Deng's salary would let them get back ~20M) depending on what Ingram is worth.


But trading Ingram just to dump Deng? Makes no sense.


IF things continue like this with BI my hope would be we could do that for Klay. But obviously that would take a lot of other low probability circumstances to happen lol

There's no way they dump Deng and get a productive player - let alone Klay - back just for Ingram. Teams are going to want Brewer or Lopez's expiring contracts to make salaries work in those kinds of deals.

Depends. Let's say Ingram looks decent this season. Next season, would a team not be interested in eating just 2 years of Deng (1 year of which is as an expiring) to acquire Ingram?

Well, I'm only seeing $60M-ish available next summer if Deng's contract isn't stretched, so Lebron and George would need to take slight paycuts in the first place.

But if they're willing to do that, then I concede there may be teams looking to rebuild next summer that will trade a proven player for Deng's deal in order to build around an improved Ingram. Indiana and the Knicks did worse than that. Cleveland trading Love would seem to be an obvious choice if Lebron leaves. Or maybe New Orleans agrees to a Cousins S&T for Deng, Ingram, and Zu?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:18 pm    Post subject:

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My goodness if the Lakers waste two top 2 picks for salary dumps itís time to clean house again.


2 wasted seasons of tanking to get the #2 pick twice but we end up trading them after 2 seasons just to dump bad contracts. That's all time terrible front office management.
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