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blackmamba08
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | 3PT Shooting
Wins (10 games): 10-23 (43.5%)
Losses (16 games): 3-19 (15.8%)
Putting up better numbers in wins than losses is true for almost every player, for obvious reasons, but I find it interesting that he's attempting almost twice as many 3's in our wins versus our losses. The simplest explanation is that he only takes more attempts when he's successful with his jumper early on, but I do think it speaks to how important it is for the team as a whole that he can (and does) shoot. |
I noticed that as well.. in regards to his early success in shooting.
Maybe he needs a tinge of Kobe's mentality. And I do mean a tinge lol.
Kobe could miss 5 straight threes and give not one (bleep). He'd go 5 for 30 if he felt the need. |
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Luminous8
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | 3PT Shooting
Wins (10 games): 10-23 (43.5%)
Losses (16 games): 3-19 (15.8%)
Putting up better numbers in wins than losses is true for almost every player, for obvious reasons, but I find it interesting that he's attempting almost twice as many 3's in our wins versus our losses. The simplest explanation is that he only takes more attempts when he's successful with his jumper early on, but I do think it speaks to how important it is for the team as a whole that he can (and does) shoot. |
I noticed that as well.. in regards to his early success in shooting.
Maybe he needs a tinge of Kobe's mentality. And I do mean a tinge lol.
Kobe could miss 5 straight threes and give not one (bleep). He'd go 5 for 30 if he felt the need. |
That comparison lacks credibility. Kobe had the confidence to do that at any time. bI is still developing confidence. Evidenced by something GT brought a while back regarding him hitting his first shot versus missing. |
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GoldenThroat
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | I noticed that as well.. in regards to his early success in shooting.
Maybe he needs a tinge of Kobe's mentality. And I do mean a tinge lol.
Kobe could miss 5 straight threes and give not one (bleep). He'd go 5 for 30 if he felt the need. |
I view it through the lens of decision-making. That's really what I want to see from him between now and the end of the year. Shoot the 3 when he's open. Pass the ball when the second defender comes over. I don't care quite as much about whether or not he's successful in those things, but I think better decisions are the first step in getting better results.
This also goes back to my distaste for how they're developing him as a ball dominant player rather than a jack-of-all-trades guy, but that isn't Ingram's fault. |
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Shoot when open
Drive or pass when not
Simple intelligent decisions
Right now he's the epitome of a one trick pony. He's not LeBron. He should try to mix it up as opposed to crashing into the paint every time he gets the ball. Would also like more engagement on defense. Hopefully it will come in time. |
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tony
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| He should develop a floater or come back to his left because it was brutal watching Porzingis stuff him several times. Teams are slowly starting to figure him out |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| blackmamba08 wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | 3PT Shooting
Wins (10 games): 10-23 (43.5%)
Losses (16 games): 3-19 (15.8%)
Putting up better numbers in wins than losses is true for almost every player, for obvious reasons, but I find it interesting that he's attempting almost twice as many 3's in our wins versus our losses. The simplest explanation is that he only takes more attempts when he's successful with his jumper early on, but I do think it speaks to how important it is for the team as a whole that he can (and does) shoot. |
I noticed that as well.. in regards to his early success in shooting.
Maybe he needs a tinge of Kobe's mentality. And I do mean a tinge lol.
Kobe could miss 5 straight threes and give not one (bleep). He'd go 5 for 30 if he felt the need. |
There is big difference between Black Mamba and Tiny Dog. |
Well... yea smh. I don't understand this response. |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Luminous8 wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | 3PT Shooting
Wins (10 games): 10-23 (43.5%)
Losses (16 games): 3-19 (15.8%)
Putting up better numbers in wins than losses is true for almost every player, for obvious reasons, but I find it interesting that he's attempting almost twice as many 3's in our wins versus our losses. The simplest explanation is that he only takes more attempts when he's successful with his jumper early on, but I do think it speaks to how important it is for the team as a whole that he can (and does) shoot. |
I noticed that as well.. in regards to his early success in shooting.
Maybe he needs a tinge of Kobe's mentality. And I do mean a tinge lol.
Kobe could miss 5 straight threes and give not one (bleep). He'd go 5 for 30 if he felt the need. |
That comparison lacks credibility. Kobe had the confidence to do that at any time. bI is still developing confidence. Evidenced by something GT brought a while back regarding him hitting his first shot versus missing. |
Where do you see a comparison in my post, for there to be some sort of credibility discrepancy? You're not saying anything that I didn't communicate in my post. Yea, obviously Kobe had confidence and ability, which is why I said he needed a tinge of Kobe.. Obviously Ingram is still developing in that area. Don't mean to be pissy but I don't understand this response, you aren't disagreeing with anything I said. =) |
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SocalDevin
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | I noticed that as well.. in regards to his early success in shooting.
Maybe he needs a tinge of Kobe's mentality. And I do mean a tinge lol.
Kobe could miss 5 straight threes and give not one (bleep). He'd go 5 for 30 if he felt the need. |
I view it through the lens of decision-making. That's really what I want to see from him between now and the end of the year. Shoot the 3 when he's open. Pass the ball when the second defender comes over. I don't care quite as much about whether or not he's successful in those things, but I think better decisions are the first step in getting better results.
This also goes back to my distaste for how they're developing him as a ball dominant player rather than a jack-of-all-trades guy, but that isn't Ingram's fault. |
Agreed.. with that being said Ball is the only guy on the squad that will consistently read and pass when a second defender comes. It's definitely a coaching issue. I've been saying for months he needs to stay in read mode while driving. |
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Lakesh0wtime
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what do you guys think of over under 16.5 points for ingram tonight?
Lol he can easily score 12 in the first quarter and nada after |
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BI has to guard LBJ tonight? Damn.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | what do you guys think of over under 16.5 points for ingram tonight?
Lol he can easily score 12 in the first quarter and nada after |
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Lakesh0wtime
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | what do you guys think of over under 16.5 points for ingram tonight?
Lol he can easily score 12 in the first quarter and nada after |
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Right on! Let's get it BI. Just put 50 bucks on it haha |
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GoldenThroat
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | what do you guys think of over under 16.5 points for ingram tonight?
Lol he can easily score 12 in the first quarter and nada after |
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Right on! Let's get it BI. Just put 50 bucks on it haha |
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Lakesh0wtime
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | what do you guys think of over under 16.5 points for ingram tonight?
Lol he can easily score 12 in the first quarter and nada after |
Over |
Right on! Let's get it BI. Just put 50 bucks on it haha |
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haha its no biggie. I like doing player props here and then. |
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babyskyhook
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | 3PT Shooting
Wins (10 games): 10-23 (43.5%)
Losses (16 games): 3-19 (15.8%)
Putting up better numbers in wins than losses is true for almost every player, for obvious reasons, but I find it interesting that he's attempting almost twice as many 3's in our wins versus our losses. The simplest explanation is that he only takes more attempts when he's successful with his jumper early on, but I do think it speaks to how important it is for the team as a whole that he can (and does) shoot. |
Great stuff GT.
More than any other player, I think confidence is the key for BI. Hopefully he feels more and more confident from 3 sooner rather than later as it is a game-changer when he's hitting them.
Speaking of changing the game, how did you like BI looking to dish a lot off the drive last game ?
Not all of the passes were well-executed, but you could see him actively looking to make those passes, so in that sense it looked like a step forward to me. It was funny that it came right on the heels of our discussions about him passing off the drive.
Also- I thought his quick pass to Kuz for the tying 3 was exactly what you were looking for when you posted the clip of him failing to quickly swing the ball over to Lopez in that exact same position on the court. |
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| babyskyhook wrote: | Great stuff GT.
More than any other player, I think confidence is the key for BI. Hopefully he feels more and more confident from 3 sooner rather than later as it is a game-changer when he's hitting them.
Speaking of changing the game, how did you like BI looking to dish a lot off the drive last game ?
Not all of the passes were well-executed, but you could see him actively looking to make those passes, so in that sense it looked like a step forward to me. It was funny that it came right on the heels of our discussions about him passing off the drive.
Also- I thought his quick pass to Kuz for the tying 3 was exactly what you were looking for when you posted the clip of him failing to quickly swing the ball over to Lopez in that exact same position on the court. |
It's funny you ask, I was actually pretty encouraged by his game against the Knicks for those exact reasons. He had another that he threw out of bounds when he met Porzingis at the rim, but it was the right read. Had a couple of nice ones in OT as well. Despite the ghastly stat line, I think that game may have been a step in the right direction for him.
I'm just hope he doesn't have to have his shot blocked 3 times before he starts making them again in the future. |
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| hes obviously not the finished product yet, he needs to take his summers and work on his game. id love to see him come back next season being as comfortable going left as he is going right. it will change the way teams defend him and help him a lot. then the summer after that add a respectable post up game with developed footwork. as he bulks up steadily and his 3pt and midrange shot keeps improving, hes gonna be unguardable |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | what do you guys think of over under 16.5 points for ingram tonight?
Lol he can easily score 12 in the first quarter and nada after |
Over |
Right on! Let's get it BI. Just put 50 bucks on it haha |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | babyskyhook wrote: | Great stuff GT.
More than any other player, I think confidence is the key for BI. Hopefully he feels more and more confident from 3 sooner rather than later as it is a game-changer when he's hitting them.
Speaking of changing the game, how did you like BI looking to dish a lot off the drive last game ?
Not all of the passes were well-executed, but you could see him actively looking to make those passes, so in that sense it looked like a step forward to me. It was funny that it came right on the heels of our discussions about him passing off the drive.
Also- I thought his quick pass to Kuz for the tying 3 was exactly what you were looking for when you posted the clip of him failing to quickly swing the ball over to Lopez in that exact same position on the court. |
It's funny you ask, I was actually pretty encouraged by his game against the Knicks for those exact reasons. He had another that he threw out of bounds when he met Porzingis at the rim, but it was the right read. Had a couple of nice ones in OT as well. Despite the ghastly stat line, I think that game may have been a step in the right direction for him.
I'm just hope he doesn't have to have his shot blocked 3 times before he starts making them again in the future. |
"The hot stove is a cruel teacher, but its lessons are retained forever."
I was encouraged also, and thought of you and the exchanges we've been having about how they're developing him while I was watching the NY game. I felt like BI and/or the coaching staff have been reading our posts.
Even though he had an awful night finishing and shooting, I was happy to see him make the pass out of his drives on a regular basis. He was clearly looking to mix up his attacks between taking shots and making passes. Some of those passes went awry, but he was looking to make the reads and distribute the ball, so I thought that was definite progress. Painful progress, but progress nonetheless.
If he makes a few of the ones he missed, they probably win the game, but in the big picture, expanding his game is more important than wins and losses, so like you, I was happy with what I saw, as it's a good sign for his long-run development. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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From Lakers.com - http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/171213-ingrams-work-continues
| Quote: | Part of growing as a player is simply adding more and more to one's game, and while Walton and his staff love how Ingram keeps working to hone his skills, they don't want him to attack the rim any less because of one night in which he struggled to finish plays.
"We 100 percent want him to keep attacking that rim," said Walton. "And then, as you get more comfortable and better as a player, you start toying with the defense where you attack the rim one time to finish, then you attack and make an arm pit pass to the help side defender's man, and then the next time you act like you're going to the rim and pull up and shoot. It's about staying ahead of what the defense is doing." |
Seems like they've been adding to his game one step at a time. Now is when we will hopefully see him start to vary it up more.
No mention of 3s, but hopefully that will come along as well.
I think the unspoken thing in this is that they've had him focus on driving because they want to keep his confidence up. We've seen what a different player he is this year vs last, and part of it is because he's stronger, but a big part of it is confidence. Just about every ex-player tv analyst who's talked about BI the last couple of weeks has mentioned his confidence.
Maybe it wasn't unspoken after all. From the same article.
| Quote: | | "It's important for me to be aggressive and not deter," Ingram offered. "When I'm aggressive, all the other guys are aggressive, and somehow that's how we win games. These last few games I've been aggressive and other guys have made the right plays. Last night, I think if I were all the way locked in we would have won." |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| BI steps up to the competition. Going up against LBJ tonight, should be a good duel. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| BI almost got the youngest Triple Double last season. Maybe he'll have another good game in CLE. |
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Lakesh0wtime
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | | BI almost got the youngest Triple Double last season. Maybe he'll have another good game in CLE. |
I think he had 19, 10, and 9 |
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Lakesh0wtime
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| 22 wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | what do you guys think of over under 16.5 points for ingram tonight?
Lol he can easily score 12 in the first quarter and nada after |
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Right on! Let's get it BI. Just put 50 bucks on it haha |
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