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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:56 pm    Post subject:

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We would have been able to live with the poor shooting night. It was the team high 5 TO's that went with it that killed us.


Good point.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:58 pm    Post subject:

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We would have been able to live with the poor shooting night. It was the team high 5 TO's that went with it that killed us.


A product of those awful, predictable drives. He's not a good enough passer to get out of them unscathed.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:00 pm    Post subject:

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There's a good chance he was alluding to game action/ overall positive mentality - when he said he's focusing on what he's does well
Again it's just hard to know because he doesn't articulate himself clearly


I don't think people appreciate how "on the fly" the answers that guys give are. In most cases they've just been working their asses off for a couple of hours, then they walk over and get voice recorders shoved in their faces without knowing what they're gonna be asked. I'd probably say a whole bunch of things that were articulated as well as I would want them to be if I was in the same situation. They get better at it because they do it all the time, but it's still tough.

Now that I'm in scrums, I put less weight on what players and coaches say in them. It's a tough environment.


I'm not cuttin him any slack.. He meant what he said.

"Of course, there are some days where I値l just go in and work on my jumper." He needs to work on that shet every time he's in the gym. That's not fatigue talking, that's him telling us what he works on.

迭ight now, I知 mainly focused on doing the things I do well." Again I can't chalk that up as fatigue talking.. Thats him communicating a priority.

I defend him to no end, but that just doesn't make any sense. That thing that he says he's focused on, that he does so well, will become a non factor if he doesn't focus on improving his shooting.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:03 pm    Post subject:

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GoldenThroat wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
There's a good chance he was alluding to game action/ overall positive mentality - when he said he's focusing on what he's does well
Again it's just hard to know because he doesn't articulate himself clearly


I don't think people appreciate how "on the fly" the answers that guys give are. In most cases they've just been working their asses off for a couple of hours, then they walk over and get voice recorders shoved in their faces without knowing what they're gonna be asked. I'd probably say a whole bunch of things that were articulated as well as I would want them to be if I was in the same situation. They get better at it because they do it all the time, but it's still tough.

Now that I'm in scrums, I put less weight on what players and coaches say in them. It's a tough environment.


I'm not cuttin him any slack.. He meant what he said.

"Of course, there are some days where I値l just go in and work on my jumper." He needs to work on that shet every time he's in the gym. That's not fatigue talking, that's him telling us what he works on.

迭ight now, I知 mainly focused on doing the things I do well." Again I can't chalk that up as fatigue talking.. Thats him communicating a priority.

I defend him to no end, but that just doesn't make any sense. That thing that he says he's focused on, that he does so well, will become a non factor if he doesn't focus on improving his shooting.


Sounds like he said some days he strictly works on his jumper... ok sounds about right
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:06 pm    Post subject:

I'm not mad at Ingram having a bad night...VERY bad night. The Knicks played BI how I though teams would/should have, earlier in the season. The initial defender plays his strong hand, and bodies him on the drive (which gets BI off balance), while the help defender comes over to contest the shot. Too many times, that help defender was KP. It worked for the Knicks, though I would have liked to see KP involved in those pick/roll situations, as opposed to sagging in the paint.

BI knows he has to work on his jumper, and this is just more tape to use to educate our young guys. Despite BI's poor performance, the team played well, but the usual turnovers killed us.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:06 pm    Post subject:

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He needs variation to his game otherwise it's going to be trouble.

Also with 2 max I don't know how he fits in with no jumpshot


Bring this up during a good stretch of games
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:08 pm    Post subject:

He just had a bad game after a great stretch. Nothing more - nothing less.
He'll bounce back.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:15 pm    Post subject:

Turns out BI hasn't improved after all.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:18 pm    Post subject:

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He needs variation to his game otherwise it's going to be trouble.

Also with 2 max I don't know how he fits in with no jumpshot


Maybe as a sixth man.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:19 pm    Post subject:

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Turns out BI hasn't improved after all.


and here i was thinking he did. silly me
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:21 pm    Post subject:

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Turns out BI hasn't improved after all.


I thought with the gamewinner last game he would rely on his jumper a bit more instead he puts up this stinker along with too many TOs. Oh well youth
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:23 pm    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
There's a good chance he was alluding to game action/ overall positive mentality - when he said he's focusing on what he's does well
Again it's just hard to know because he doesn't articulate himself clearly


I don't think people appreciate how "on the fly" the answers that guys give are. In most cases they've just been working their asses off for a couple of hours, then they walk over and get voice recorders shoved in their faces without knowing what they're gonna be asked. I'd probably say a whole bunch of things that were articulated as well as I would want them to be if I was in the same situation. They get better at it because they do it all the time, but it's still tough.

Now that I'm in scrums, I put less weight on what players and coaches say in them. It's a tough environment.


1000% ya. Answers are on the fly and the effort to answer the exact question, or articulate yourself in depth - rarely there.


Right. And then we dissect everything that's said like a bunch of vultures.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:24 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
There's a good chance he was alluding to game action/ overall positive mentality - when he said he's focusing on what he's does well
Again it's just hard to know because he doesn't articulate himself clearly


I don't think people appreciate how "on the fly" the answers that guys give are. In most cases they've just been working their asses off for a couple of hours, then they walk over and get voice recorders shoved in their faces without knowing what they're gonna be asked. I'd probably say a whole bunch of things that were articulated as well as I would want them to be if I was in the same situation. They get better at it because they do it all the time, but it's still tough.

Now that I'm in scrums, I put less weight on what players and coaches say in them. It's a tough environment.


1000% ya. Answers are on the fly and the effort to answer the exact question, or articulate yourself in depth - rarely there.


Right. And then we dissect everything that's said like a bunch of vultures.


False! It's buzzards!!! C'mon Fam!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:26 pm    Post subject:

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I'm not cuttin him any slack.. He meant what he said.

"Of course, there are some days where I値l just go in and work on my jumper." He needs to work on that shet every time he's in the gym. That's not fatigue talking, that's him telling us what he works on.

迭ight now, I知 mainly focused on doing the things I do well." Again I can't chalk that up as fatigue talking.. Thats him communicating a priority.

I defend him to no end, but that just doesn't make any sense. That thing that he says he's focused on, that he does so well, will become a non factor if he doesn't focus on improving his shooting.


I'm just speaking broadly based on the new experiences I've been able to have. I'm not saying you shouldn't listen to them, I'm just saying that the very framework of it leads to people not articulating themselves as accurately as they would probably like.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:37 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
I'm not cuttin him any slack.. He meant what he said.

"Of course, there are some days where I値l just go in and work on my jumper." He needs to work on that shet every time he's in the gym. That's not fatigue talking, that's him telling us what he works on.

迭ight now, I知 mainly focused on doing the things I do well." Again I can't chalk that up as fatigue talking.. Thats him communicating a priority.

I defend him to no end, but that just doesn't make any sense. That thing that he says he's focused on, that he does so well, will become a non factor if he doesn't focus on improving his shooting.


I'm just speaking broadly based on the new experiences I've been able to have. I'm not saying you shouldn't listen to them, I'm just saying that the very framework of it leads to people not articulating themselves as accurately as they would probably like.


That sounds right. Also, it seems like the young guys generally are not so great at interviews.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:46 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
I'm not cuttin him any slack.. He meant what he said.

"Of course, there are some days where I値l just go in and work on my jumper." He needs to work on that shet every time he's in the gym. That's not fatigue talking, that's him telling us what he works on.

迭ight now, I知 mainly focused on doing the things I do well." Again I can't chalk that up as fatigue talking.. Thats him communicating a priority.

I defend him to no end, but that just doesn't make any sense. That thing that he says he's focused on, that he does so well, will become a non factor if he doesn't focus on improving his shooting.


I'm just speaking broadly based on the new experiences I've been able to have. I'm not saying you shouldn't listen to them, I'm just saying that the very framework of it leads to people not articulating themselves as accurately as they would probably like.


Gotcha.. makes sense..
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:26 pm    Post subject:

Didnt get to see this game, so what I say here is in a bit of a vacuum:

Not too long ago the guy we want (PG13) had a 1-12 stinker; then after that a spectacular 2-17 crapper with 6 turnovers [if you are curious re "impact on other areas of game": PG 13did have 10 assists in one of those bad shooting games, and 8 rebounds in another; BI had in his crapper game tonight 7 rebounds and 5 assists ].

Not making excuses, just pointing out even veteran all stars can have real stinkers too. The real test to this is how BI responds.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:32 pm    Post subject:

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Didnt get to see this game, so what I say here is in a bit of a vacuum:

Not too long ago the guy we want (PG13) had a 1-12 stinker; then after that a spectacular 2-17 crapper with 6 turnovers [if you are curious re "impact on other areas of game": PG 13did have 10 assists in one of those bad shooting games, and 8 rebounds in another; BI had in his crapper game tonight 7 rebounds and 5 assists ].

Not making excuses, just pointing out even veteran all stars can have real stinkers too. The real test to this is how BI responds.


He's not done having stinkers.. I don't think it's a big deal. But if he doesn't understand why he's having stinkers then it's a problem.

He probably would have 8 or 9 assists if our guys finished better around the basket.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:36 pm    Post subject:

SocalDevin wrote:
DrDent wrote:
Didnt get to see this game, so what I say here is in a bit of a vacuum:

Not too long ago the guy we want (PG13) had a 1-12 stinker; then after that a spectacular 2-17 crapper with 6 turnovers [if you are curious re "impact on other areas of game": PG 13did have 10 assists in one of those bad shooting games, and 8 rebounds in another; BI had in his crapper game tonight 7 rebounds and 5 assists ].

Not making excuses, just pointing out even veteran all stars can have real stinkers too. The real test to this is how BI responds.


He's not done having stinkers.. I don't think it's a big deal. But if he doesn't understand why he's having stinkers then it's a problem.

He probably would have 8 or 9 assists if our guys finished better around the basket.


Agreed. I'm honestly not concerned (just dissapointed, I *really* wanted us to win tonight). I dont recall if it was just before this season started or end of last season (which would be before this season anyway lol) but I stick with what I said before: This kid will be one of the top players in the league. He works hard at his game. He'll be fine.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject:

mookielala wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
I'm not cuttin him any slack.. He meant what he said.

"Of course, there are some days where I値l just go in and work on my jumper." He needs to work on that shet every time he's in the gym. That's not fatigue talking, that's him telling us what he works on.

迭ight now, I知 mainly focused on doing the things I do well." Again I can't chalk that up as fatigue talking.. Thats him communicating a priority.

I defend him to no end, but that just doesn't make any sense. That thing that he says he's focused on, that he does so well, will become a non factor if he doesn't focus on improving his shooting.


I'm just speaking broadly based on the new experiences I've been able to have. I'm not saying you shouldn't listen to them, I'm just saying that the very framework of it leads to people not articulating themselves as accurately as they would probably like.


That sounds right. Also, it seems like the young guys generally are not so great at interviews.


Or playing basketball. We should cut them the same slack.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:51 pm    Post subject:

DrDent wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
DrDent wrote:
Didnt get to see this game, so what I say here is in a bit of a vacuum:

Not too long ago the guy we want (PG13) had a 1-12 stinker; then after that a spectacular 2-17 crapper with 6 turnovers [if you are curious re "impact on other areas of game": PG 13did have 10 assists in one of those bad shooting games, and 8 rebounds in another; BI had in his crapper game tonight 7 rebounds and 5 assists ].

Not making excuses, just pointing out even veteran all stars can have real stinkers too. The real test to this is how BI responds.


He's not done having stinkers.. I don't think it's a big deal. But if he doesn't understand why he's having stinkers then it's a problem.

He probably would have 8 or 9 assists if our guys finished better around the basket.


Agreed. I'm honestly not concerned (just dissapointed, I *really* wanted us to win tonight). I dont recall if it was just before this season started or end of last season (which would be before this season anyway lol) but I stick with what I said before: This kid will be one of the top players in the league. He works hard at his game. He'll be fine.


Yea.. I know folks think I'm crazy but I expect him to be on the same tier as Simmons when he fills out and starts shooting better. I also wouldn't be surprised if he had a better career.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:09 pm    Post subject:

Simmons is basically a bigger more athletic Lonzo that doesn't shoot as much. They have a lot of similarities in their playing styles, so obviously Simmons has the advantage right now with the bigger body, but Lonzo can catch up to him if he develops a reliable J.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:24 pm    Post subject:

DrDent wrote:
Didnt get to see this game, so what I say here is in a bit of a vacuum:

Not too long ago the guy we want (PG13) had a 1-12 stinker; then after that a spectacular 2-17 crapper with 6 turnovers [if you are curious re "impact on other areas of game": PG 13did have 10 assists in one of those bad shooting games, and 8 rebounds in another; BI had in his crapper game tonight 7 rebounds and 5 assists ].

Not making excuses, just pointing out even veteran all stars can have real stinkers too. The real test to this is how BI responds.


I think people went a little gaga on him too early. Over the past four games (before tonight), people have been raving about him because he scored a lot of points, but he only shot 40% from the field and 25% from 3-point line. He's shown good development for a young, second year player, but I haven't understood how his performance is causing some fans to call him the next big thing,
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:36 pm    Post subject:

Atrocious game from BI tonight. He had a very nice stretch of games before this which was very exciting because the kid has a shaky jumper and the body of a baby deer. Even with those deficiencies he was putting up big points driving to the rim at will.

Tonight his lack of a consistent and confident jumper along with his still maturing physique led to a horrible game. As others mentioned I am concerned about his quote in regards to working on his jumper. I put a lot of that blame on the coaches too. They should be the ones that sit him down and show him why he needs a jumper to open up his game to a new level. The coaches should also have a plan in place for him to improve his J. According to Magic, Luke didn't even think we needed a shooting coach. We need to get rid of the Arizona frat house we have as coaches and bring in some real basketball guys.
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manlisten wrote:
mookielala wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
I'm not cuttin him any slack.. He meant what he said.

"Of course, there are some days where I値l just go in and work on my jumper." He needs to work on that shet every time he's in the gym. That's not fatigue talking, that's him telling us what he works on.

迭ight now, I知 mainly focused on doing the things I do well." Again I can't chalk that up as fatigue talking.. Thats him communicating a priority.

I defend him to no end, but that just doesn't make any sense. That thing that he says he's focused on, that he does so well, will become a non factor if he doesn't focus on improving his shooting.


I'm just speaking broadly based on the new experiences I've been able to have. I'm not saying you shouldn't listen to them, I'm just saying that the very framework of it leads to people not articulating themselves as accurately as they would probably like.


That sounds right. Also, it seems like the young guys generally are not so great at interviews.


Or playing basketball. We should cut them the same slack.
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