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SocalDevin
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| JAN24/2/14 wrote: | | The only difference between BI and KUz is that BI reads the floor first while Kuz makes quick his actions. However between being a more willing passer i think BI is a lot better. |
Agreed.. he's clearly the more willing passer and better facilitator.. Which is why the coaching staff trusts him to do it.
That's no knock on Kuz.. love what he brings to the table. |
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LakersNewEra
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Pulling up from the free throw line..automatic. Anything beyond that, bit shaky. Still veey good because he gets to that free throw line area easily. Sometimes the drive isnt there, encouraging that he can counter it. |
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greenfrog
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Kuzzkontrol wrote: | Posted on game thread
Kuzma scores effortlessly and it's just so much work for Brandon to get FTs and He is average at FTs.
Yet Luke keeps forcing Ingram iso's and ignoring kuzma
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Does it really matter if it "looks" effortless? I'd pay more attention to the box score. But that's just me.
Also Ingram doesn't Iso to score for himself.. Evidenced by the assist totals.
We don't need to make this an Ingram vs Kuz thing.. They both add a great deal of value collectively, and can do it simultaneously. |
If you dribble yourself in trouble enough you'll get assists just from the bailout passe, as evidenced tonight on the three to Kuzma. |
So you're saying he's averaging 3 to 4 assists per game because he dribbles himself into trouble? |
Pound the ball long enough and pass it off at the last moment and you'll collect quite a bit of assists. |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Kuzzkontrol wrote: | Posted on game thread
Kuzma scores effortlessly and it's just so much work for Brandon to get FTs and He is average at FTs.
Yet Luke keeps forcing Ingram iso's and ignoring kuzma
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Does it really matter if it "looks" effortless? I'd pay more attention to the box score. But that's just me.
Also Ingram doesn't Iso to score for himself.. Evidenced by the assist totals.
We don't need to make this an Ingram vs Kuz thing.. They both add a great deal of value collectively, and can do it simultaneously. |
If you dribble yourself in trouble enough you'll get assists just from the bailout passe, as evidenced tonight on the three to Kuzma. |
So you're saying he's averaging 3 to 4 assists per game because he dribbles himself into trouble? |
Pound the ball long enough and pass it off at the last moment and you'll collect quite a bit of assists. |
Okay.. we can agree to disagree. |
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bigkobe81
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Kuzzkontrol wrote: | Posted on game thread
Kuzma scores effortlessly and it's just so much work for Brandon to get FTs and He is average at FTs.
Yet Luke keeps forcing Ingram iso's and ignoring kuzma
Wth |
Fycts |
Does it really matter if it "looks" effortless? I'd pay more attention to the box score. But that's just me.
Also Ingram doesn't Iso to score for himself.. Evidenced by the assist totals.
We don't need to make this an Ingram vs Kuz thing.. They both add a great deal of value collectively, and can do it simultaneously. |
If you dribble yourself in trouble enough you'll get assists just from the bailout passe, as evidenced tonight on the three to Kuzma. |
So you're saying he's averaging 3 to 4 assists per game because he dribbles himself into trouble? |
Pound the ball long enough and pass it off at the last moment and you'll collect quite a bit of assists. |
You're basing that on a sample size of exactly one possession. I’d agree if you said JC
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Omar Little
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Kuzzkontrol wrote: | Posted on game thread
Kuzma scores effortlessly and it's just so much work for Brandon to get FTs and He is average at FTs.
Yet Luke keeps forcing Ingram iso's and ignoring kuzma
Wth |
Fycts |
Does it really matter if it "looks" effortless? I'd pay more attention to the box score. But that's just me.
Also Ingram doesn't Iso to score for himself.. Evidenced by the assist totals.
We don't need to make this an Ingram vs Kuz thing.. They both add a great deal of value collectively, and can do it simultaneously. |
If you dribble yourself in trouble enough you'll get assists just from the bailout passe, as evidenced tonight on the three to Kuzma. |
So you're saying he's averaging 3 to 4 assists per game because he dribbles himself into trouble? |
Pound the ball long enough and pass it off at the last moment and you'll collect quite a bit of assists. |
Okay.. we can agree to disagree. |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Kuzzkontrol wrote: | Posted on game thread
Kuzma scores effortlessly and it's just so much work for Brandon to get FTs and He is average at FTs.
Yet Luke keeps forcing Ingram iso's and ignoring kuzma
Wth |
Fycts |
Does it really matter if it "looks" effortless? I'd pay more attention to the box score. But that's just me.
Also Ingram doesn't Iso to score for himself.. Evidenced by the assist totals.
We don't need to make this an Ingram vs Kuz thing.. They both add a great deal of value collectively, and can do it simultaneously. |
If you dribble yourself in trouble enough you'll get assists just from the bailout passe, as evidenced tonight on the three to Kuzma. |
So you're saying he's averaging 3 to 4 assists per game because he dribbles himself into trouble? |
Pound the ball long enough and pass it off at the last moment and you'll collect quite a bit of assists. |
Okay.. we can agree to disagree. |
Relentless |
Huh? |
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justsomelakerfan
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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What an odd game tonight lol
Gotta mix it up on some of those drives but it's all good, he's coming along & I'm not stressed
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Omar Little
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Kuzzkontrol wrote: | Posted on game thread
Kuzma scores effortlessly and it's just so much work for Brandon to get FTs and He is average at FTs.
Yet Luke keeps forcing Ingram iso's and ignoring kuzma
Wth |
Fycts |
Does it really matter if it "looks" effortless? I'd pay more attention to the box score. But that's just me.
Also Ingram doesn't Iso to score for himself.. Evidenced by the assist totals.
We don't need to make this an Ingram vs Kuz thing.. They both add a great deal of value collectively, and can do it simultaneously. |
If you dribble yourself in trouble enough you'll get assists just from the bailout passe, as evidenced tonight on the three to Kuzma. |
So you're saying he's averaging 3 to 4 assists per game because he dribbles himself into trouble? |
Pound the ball long enough and pass it off at the last moment and you'll collect quite a bit of assists. |
Okay.. we can agree to disagree. |
Relentless |
Huh? |
Clergy are confounded at the depth of your worship.
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LakerLogic
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| BI has a bit too much tunnel vision at this point. He is constantly drawing a second defender and not dishing it off enough. He can do that pass to Randle about 5 more times a game. He will learn though. |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Kuzzkontrol wrote: | Posted on game thread
Kuzma scores effortlessly and it's just so much work for Brandon to get FTs and He is average at FTs.
Yet Luke keeps forcing Ingram iso's and ignoring kuzma
Wth |
Fycts |
Does it really matter if it "looks" effortless? I'd pay more attention to the box score. But that's just me.
Also Ingram doesn't Iso to score for himself.. Evidenced by the assist totals.
We don't need to make this an Ingram vs Kuz thing.. They both add a great deal of value collectively, and can do it simultaneously. |
If you dribble yourself in trouble enough you'll get assists just from the bailout passe, as evidenced tonight on the three to Kuzma. |
So you're saying he's averaging 3 to 4 assists per game because he dribbles himself into trouble? |
Pound the ball long enough and pass it off at the last moment and you'll collect quite a bit of assists. |
Okay.. we can agree to disagree. |
Relentless |
Huh? |
Clergy are confounded at the depth of your worship. |
They're equally confounded by posts from a mod that have nothing to do with basketball.. Which is what we were discussing.. Thought we also were* supposed to focus on what's happening on court, and not the individual posters. |
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Omar Little
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Kuzzkontrol wrote: | Posted on game thread
Kuzma scores effortlessly and it's just so much work for Brandon to get FTs and He is average at FTs.
Yet Luke keeps forcing Ingram iso's and ignoring kuzma
Wth |
Fycts |
Does it really matter if it "looks" effortless? I'd pay more attention to the box score. But that's just me.
Also Ingram doesn't Iso to score for himself.. Evidenced by the assist totals.
We don't need to make this an Ingram vs Kuz thing.. They both add a great deal of value collectively, and can do it simultaneously. |
If you dribble yourself in trouble enough you'll get assists just from the bailout passe, as evidenced tonight on the three to Kuzma. |
So you're saying he's averaging 3 to 4 assists per game because he dribbles himself into trouble? |
Pound the ball long enough and pass it off at the last moment and you'll collect quite a bit of assists. |
Okay.. we can agree to disagree. |
Relentless |
Huh? |
Clergy are confounded at the depth of your worship. |
They're equally confounded by posts from a mod that have nothing to do with basketball.. Which is what we were discussing.. Thought we also were* supposed to focus on what's happening on court, and not the individual posters. |
No one can, because you end up in a giant quote tree denying anything but the blind love, which kind of is the point of my, uh, moderating. Maybe don't die on every hill?
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SocalDevin
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | BI has a bit too much tunnel vision at this point. He is constantly drawing a second defender and not dishing it off enough. He can do that pass to Randle about 5 more times a game. He will learn though. |
Agreed.. needs to make faster reads.. |
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Omar Little
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | BI has a bit too much tunnel vision at this point. He is constantly drawing a second defender and not dishing it off enough. He can do that pass to Randle about 5 more times a game. He will learn though. |
Agreed.. needs to make faster reads.. |
Agreed
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Kuzzkontrol wrote: | Posted on game thread
Kuzma scores effortlessly and it's just so much work for Brandon to get FTs and He is average at FTs.
Yet Luke keeps forcing Ingram iso's and ignoring kuzma
Wth |
Fycts |
Does it really matter if it "looks" effortless? I'd pay more attention to the box score. But that's just me.
Also Ingram doesn't Iso to score for himself.. Evidenced by the assist totals.
We don't need to make this an Ingram vs Kuz thing.. They both add a great deal of value collectively, and can do it simultaneously. |
If you dribble yourself in trouble enough you'll get assists just from the bailout passe, as evidenced tonight on the three to Kuzma. |
So you're saying he's averaging 3 to 4 assists per game because he dribbles himself into trouble? |
Pound the ball long enough and pass it off at the last moment and you'll collect quite a bit of assists. |
Okay.. we can agree to disagree. |
Relentless |
Huh? |
Clergy are confounded at the depth of your worship. |
They're equally confounded by posts from a mod that have nothing to do with basketball.. Which is what we were discussing.. Thought we also were* supposed to focus on what's happening on court, and not the individual posters. |
where are the mods when you need them...
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| I love when he goes up against KD. |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not interested in any kind of exchange with you.. We aren't discussing basketball.. What you're doing here is childish and unbecoming of a mod. You should know better.. We are told all the time to keep it about basketball. That's what was happening until you interjected with whatever it is you're talking about. |
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GOODRICH25
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| plays good defense on KD every time. hes not even close to the finished product offensively yet, which makes me really happy about the future of this team |
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AY2043
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Pretty gutty performance tonight.
He was at 7/4/4 mid way through the 4th and was getting pretty beat up, but still managed to finish with 19/6/5.
He gets tunnel vision sometimes and tries to force the drive too often, but there’s no doubt he’s improved a ton since last year. |
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Omar Little
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | I'm not interested in any kind of exchange with you.. We aren't discussing basketball.. What you're doing here is childish and unbecoming of a mod. You should know better.. We are told all the time to keep it about basketball. That's what was happening until you interjected with whatever it is you're talking about. |
Now you know what the dozens of complaints I get sound like. Trying a bit of humor, since the last time I asked you directly you caught feelings. So I will take your advice. When you bog it down, I will just quietly give you a break.
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Lakesh0wtime
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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He Lonzo or kuzma should've had a game winner in regulation and then run over to Kobe and hug him.
But naaaa KCP wanted to be the effing hero |
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I love his relentless effort trying to get to the basket. Even after he got hurt, he kept coming back for more.
Should have adjusted and pulled up a few more times for the 10 footers but that will come with more experience and confidence in the jumper. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | He Lonzo or kuzma should've had a game winner in regulation and then run over to Kobe and hug him.
But naaaa KCP wanted to be the effing hero |
Taking the ball out after a made basket, I'd prefer calling a timeout. |
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Omar Little
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | He Lonzo or kuzma should've had a game winner in regulation and then run over to Kobe and hug him.
But naaaa KCP wanted to be the effing hero |
Taking the ball out after a made basket, I'd prefer calling a timeout. |
Especially with a young team against a vet one.
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Lakesh0wtime
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | He Lonzo or kuzma should've had a game winner in regulation and then run over to Kobe and hug him.
But naaaa KCP wanted to be the effing hero |
Taking the ball out after a made basket, I'd prefer calling a timeout. |
Especially with a young team against a vet one. |
Yup. That was a time where a timeout was needed compared to the Philly game. Growing pains for Luke.
In OT...shame BI had to lose his shoe and waste a timeout lol. Stupid adidas |
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