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| BigGameHames wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | mookielala wrote: | | It seems pretty clear to me that Kobe decides who works out with him and when. |
it's up to them to reach out to him. He's already proven to be willing to those who actually come to him and ask .
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Y’all really overrate what an old retired Kobe is willing and able to do for these young guys. He was an all time great but a few workouts with this old washed up Kobe won’t do much for the guys. |
Can't tell if serious or trolling. |
Kobe’s footwork and technical skill would take hours and hours to learn. I don’t think he’s willing to do that.
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he already has shown he's willing to do that if the other player is willing to put in the time. Hayward stayed with Kobe for a week for freak sake. |
One instance with one player doesn’t prove anything. |
There are a crap ton of examples of Kobe training/mentoring younger players. Kobe just doesn't go around blabbing about it all the time. But if you've been paying attention you'd know |
Who are these “crap ton of examples” |
Hayward
Kawhi
Kyrie
Randle
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I'm just a believer that a great midrange shooter ties into becoming a great 3pt. shooter, just like FT% may project into a specific level of 3pt shooting success.
Maybe it's a trend, but when I watch BI do PnR ball-handling roles, the more likely he's going to opt for that midrange. When it's a handoff series, it's either a finish at the hoop or a drive and kick. He needs that step on the defense.
I don't care too much about frequency. BI is getting a lot of C&S Duke looks on that 3pt shot and I'm not surprised the shooting skyrocketed as a result. What I do care about, is that it's an open shot. Midrange or 3.
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | What’s silly about picking teams apart with his midrange. he has the tools to master the craft. He’s not like DLo who need screens to get off his shot. 😂 Lol with the numbers game. We are talking about potential here. The only way I can see him becoming elite is to be that player who’s smoothly putting buckets after buckets on the midrange making it look easy. I don’t think he’ll ever be elite shooter enough to do it on 3 ball nor extremely athletic or quick enough to just drive his way. Saying numbers don’t back it up is simply self limiting him as a player which is basically what you vision him to be. |
Stupid numbers. It doesn't matter how often a player actually makes shot, it's how often he makes them in your heart and imagination that counts.
He'll never shoot the 57.0 eFG% from mid range that he's currently shooting from 3PT range. |
Why doesn't he just master hitting 80 or 90% from half court, then we can stop all this foolishness of twos vs threes. I mean, he can do that right? We dont't want to limit him.
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BI now is a young Michael B Jordan playing Wallace from Season 1 of the Wire (re watching it and reading Abrams’s new book).
By age 25 he’ll be michael B Jordan Playing Adonis Creed.
He’s a young oil.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | BI now is a young Michael B Jordan playing Wallace from Season 1 of the Wire (re watching it and reading Abrams’s new book).
By age 25 he’ll be michael B Jordan Playing Adonis Creed.
He’s a young oil. |
And after that, Michael B Jordan as superhero! I like this post <3 |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | mookielala wrote: | | It seems pretty clear to me that Kobe decides who works out with him and when. |
it's up to them to reach out to him. He's already proven to be willing to those who actually come to him and ask .
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Y’all really overrate what an old retired Kobe is willing and able to do for these young guys. He was an all time great but a few workouts with this old washed up Kobe won’t do much for the guys. |
Can't tell if serious or trolling. |
Kobe’s footwork and technical skill would take hours and hours to learn. I don’t think he’s willing to do that.
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he already has shown he's willing to do that if the other player is willing to put in the time. Hayward stayed with Kobe for a week for freak sake. |
One instance with one player doesn’t prove anything. |
There are a crap ton of examples of Kobe training/mentoring younger players. Kobe just doesn't go around blabbing about it all the time. But if you've been paying attention you'd know |
Who are these “crap ton of examples” |
Did you intentionally ignore some of the examples on the last page or so or did you just somehow miss all of that?
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| MJST wrote: | | jonnybravo wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | 55 wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Texas_Pete wrote: | | I would love to see Zo, Kuz, and BI work with Kobe this summer. They'd be unwise not to. |
Agreed 100% |
I have no doubt Kuzma will work with Kobe. Kid already asked to have and had a dinner with him.
Ingram would look like a far advanced player with some Kobe time.
Lonzo- I just want him to learn hard work from Kobe.
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Y’all really overrate what an old retired Kobe is willing and able to do for these young guys. He was an all time great but a few workouts with this old washed up Kobe won’t do much for the guys. |
Not sure you understand what a workout means.
Hakeem still holds workouts for anyone willing to pay. |
Not sure you understand how many hours and workouts need to take place for significant improvement. More than Kobe has ever seemed willing to spend on any young player. Spending time with trainers without big names who will consistently work with them, see their individual strengths and weaknesses, and cater workouts to them is just as valuable as Kobe Bryant training them once or twice.
Kobe isn’t Hakeem and I doubt he’d be willing to do that. |
Hayward stayed at Kobe's crib for a week the summer before he made a big jump. Even cited it as a reason for his improvement (and this is when he was already fairly established). |
And all these "Kobe can't because..." excuses continue falling one after one after one  |
What's julius' excuse for still having bad footwork then? No countermoves in the post? Since Kobe is so willing to take time out of his busy schedule to work with guys at any point they feel like, why has your hero ( who you want over LBJ/George) Julius' not taken advantage of this? Especially since he had two years of actually being around the Mamba. Yah know, since you want to keep passive aggressively trying to act as if Ingram is stubborn and above getting help from one of the GOATs. Your agenda is getting laughable and blatant. |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | tox wrote: | | CRoost wrote: |
What’s silly about picking teams apart with his midrange. he has the tools to master the craft. He’s not like DLo who need screens to get off his shot. 😂 Lol with the numbers game. We are talking about potential here. The only way I can see him becoming elite is to be that player who’s smoothly putting buckets after buckets on the midrange making it look easy. I don’t think he’ll ever be elite shooter enough to do it on 3 ball nor extremely athletic or quick enough to just drive his way. Saying numbers don’t back it up is simply self limiting him as a player which is basically what you vision him to be. |
Chirs Paul is one of the best midrange shooters ever and even he is eschewing it in favor of the 3 ball, when possible. Don't be dumb. |
DeRozan too. |
DD is taking less than 4 a game. Wouldn't quite call that ESCHEWING it in favor of the deep range. |
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| MJST wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | mookielala wrote: | | It seems pretty clear to me that Kobe decides who works out with him and when. |
it's up to them to reach out to him. He's already proven to be willing to those who actually come to him and ask .
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Y’all really overrate what an old retired Kobe is willing and able to do for these young guys. He was an all time great but a few workouts with this old washed up Kobe won’t do much for the guys. |
Can't tell if serious or trolling. |
Kobe’s footwork and technical skill would take hours and hours to learn. I don’t think he’s willing to do that.
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he already has shown he's willing to do that if the other player is willing to put in the time. Hayward stayed with Kobe for a week for freak sake. |
One instance with one player doesn’t prove anything. |
There are a crap ton of examples of Kobe training/mentoring younger players. Kobe just doesn't go around blabbing about it all the time. But if you've been paying attention you'd know |
Who are these “crap ton of examples” |
Did you intentionally ignore some of the examples on the last page or so or did you just somehow miss all of that? |
Have you intentionally missed BI tell the media that he HAS talked to Kobe on the phone and got advice. Mostly about watching game tape and the best way to study his opponents offensive tendencies and how to defend them. Happened around the all star break of his rookie year. So let's not play the game of "Ingram hasn't gotten help but so and so has." When some of the names you cited as examples, were in fact only ever mentioned as guys he's has talked to on the phone and gave tips to.
Furthermore, he didn't work with Kawhi. That was a false report. Kawhi was given tape of Kobe and Richard Jefferson over the summer to study. THATS where the rumor of he and Kobe working out together came from. He picked up a lot of moves from simply studying footage. |
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| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/22467698/how-kinston-north-carolina-became-greatest-producer-nba-talent-america
pretty cool article on BI's hometown |
Thank you sharing that, it was a good read.
Interesting to read about BI's upbringing, blue collar town, two parent household with a policeman dad. Helps explain his discipline and toughness despite being a young stringbean. |
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Does anyone have a list of stats of notable Small forwards younger than 23?
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| E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Does anyone have a list of stats of notable Small forwards younger than 23? |
Just for this year : http://bkref.com/tiny/Tx33F |
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| E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Does anyone have a list of stats of notable Small forwards younger than 23? |
Giannis
Jabari Parker
Brandon
Jaylen Brown
Tatum
OG Anunoby
J.Winslow
Hollis Jefferson
Wiggins
Oubre Jr
Dillon Brooks
Jerami Grant
Out of that bunch, BI is easily top 3. |
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| durden-tyler wrote: | | E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Does anyone have a list of stats of notable Small forwards younger than 23? |
Just for this year : http://bkref.com/tiny/Tx33F |
He blows all of them away in the assist column.. |
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| ingle wrote: | | E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Does anyone have a list of stats of notable Small forwards younger than 23? |
Giannis
Jabari Parker
Brandon
Jaylen Brown
Tatum
OG Anunoby
J.Winslow
Hollis Jefferson
Wiggins
Oubre Jr
Dillon Brooks
Jerami Grant
Out of that bunch, BI is easily top 3. |
You can’t really believe that. |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | ingle wrote: | | E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Does anyone have a list of stats of notable Small forwards younger than 23? |
Giannis
Jabari Parker
Brandon
Jaylen Brown
Tatum
OG Anunoby
J.Winslow
Hollis Jefferson
Wiggins
Oubre Jr
Dillon Brooks
Jerami Grant
Out of that bunch, BI is easily top 3. |
You can’t really believe that. |
I'd say top 5.
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At the very least top 12
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| Giannis is the only obvious one that is better than Ingram. Brown and Tatum are maybes. Everyone else is a nope. I'm 100% sure that the other 29 GMs would trade those SFs for BI in half a second. |
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SEASON TEAMPTS REB AST
97-98 TOR 7.0 4.2 1.5
98-99 TOR 9.3 5.7 2.3
99-00 TOR 15.4 6.3 3.3
00-01 ORL 26.8 7.5 4.6
01-02 ORL 25.6 7.9 5.3
02-03 ORL 32.1 6.5 5.5
That’s Tracy McGrady’s first 6 years’ stats(coming after high school)
SEASON TEAMPTS REB AST
16-17 LAL 9.4 4.0 2.1
17-18 LAL 16.2 5.2 3.7
And that’s Brandon Ingram’s first 2 years’ stats
I really see the similarities. I expect 22-26ppg from Ingram next year, if giving enough room to him, which would make him a All Star- caliber player. So I’m confident that he would be a top 3 in this list |
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| Sina wrote: | SEASON TEAMPTS REB AST
97-98 TOR 7.0 4.2 1.5
98-99 TOR 9.3 5.7 2.3
99-00 TOR 15.4 6.3 3.3
00-01 ORL 26.8 7.5 4.6
01-02 ORL 25.6 7.9 5.3
02-03 ORL 32.1 6.5 5.5
That’s Tracy McGrady’s first 6 years’ stats(coming after high school)
SEASON TEAMPTS REB AST
16-17 LAL 9.4 4.0 2.1
17-18 LAL 16.2 5.2 3.7
And that’s Brandon Ingram’s first 2 years’ stats
I really see the similarities. I expect 22-26ppg from Ingram next year, if giving enough room to him, which would make him a All Star- caliber player. So I’m confident that he would be a top 3 in this list |
If we get 1 max FA or 2 max FAs, doubtful.
22-26ppg is a wide range.
If we get no top FA, I think he can do 18-20ppg.
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| ingle wrote: | | E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Does anyone have a list of stats of notable Small forwards younger than 23? |
Giannis
Jabari Parker
Brandon
Jaylen Brown
Tatum
OG Anunoby
J.Winslow
Hollis Jefferson
Wiggins
Oubre Jr
Dillon Brooks
Jerami Grant
Out of that bunch, BI is easily top 3. |
If he's Top 3 I don't see why everyone wants to flip him for a star. I say we wait because he is going to be a top 15 player in 3 years, something we haven't had since 2012.
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| E_Wulf420 wrote: | | ingle wrote: | | E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Does anyone have a list of stats of notable Small forwards younger than 23? |
Giannis
Jabari Parker
Brandon
Jaylen Brown
Tatum
OG Anunoby
J.Winslow
Hollis Jefferson
Wiggins
Oubre Jr
Dillon Brooks
Jerami Grant
Out of that bunch, BI is easily top 3. |
If he's Top 3 I don't see why everyone wants to flip him for a star. I say we wait because he is going to be a top 15 player in 3 years, something we haven't had since 2012. |
Top 3 in the list. Top 15 in 3 years would be nice. He gets that potential |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sina wrote: | SEASON TEAMPTS REB AST
97-98 TOR 7.0 4.2 1.5
98-99 TOR 9.3 5.7 2.3
99-00 TOR 15.4 6.3 3.3
00-01 ORL 26.8 7.5 4.6
01-02 ORL 25.6 7.9 5.3
02-03 ORL 32.1 6.5 5.5
That’s Tracy McGrady’s first 6 years’ stats(coming after high school)
SEASON TEAMPTS REB AST
16-17 LAL 9.4 4.0 2.1
17-18 LAL 16.2 5.2 3.7
And that’s Brandon Ingram’s first 2 years’ stats
I really see the similarities. I expect 22-26ppg from Ingram next year, if giving enough room to him, which would make him a All Star- caliber player. So I’m confident that he would be a top 3 in this list |
If we get 1 max FA or 2 max FAs, doubtful.
22-26ppg is a wide range.
If we get no top FA, I think he can do 18-20ppg. |
I'd much rather see him get that TS% up to 58-59% rather than hit some arbitrary ppg goal. |
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| tox wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sina wrote: | SEASON TEAMPTS REB AST
97-98 TOR 7.0 4.2 1.5
98-99 TOR 9.3 5.7 2.3
99-00 TOR 15.4 6.3 3.3
00-01 ORL 26.8 7.5 4.6
01-02 ORL 25.6 7.9 5.3
02-03 ORL 32.1 6.5 5.5
That’s Tracy McGrady’s first 6 years’ stats(coming after high school)
SEASON TEAMPTS REB AST
16-17 LAL 9.4 4.0 2.1
17-18 LAL 16.2 5.2 3.7
And that’s Brandon Ingram’s first 2 years’ stats
I really see the similarities. I expect 22-26ppg from Ingram next year, if giving enough room to him, which would make him a All Star- caliber player. So I’m confident that he would be a top 3 in this list |
If we get 1 max FA or 2 max FAs, doubtful.
22-26ppg is a wide range.
If we get no top FA, I think he can do 18-20ppg. |
I'd much rather see him get that TS% up to 58-59% rather than hit some arbitrary ppg goal. |
Absolutely. Better 3s/FT will naturally lead to a higher/more efficiently obtained PPG.
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