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mookielala
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I miss BI  |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | I'd still like to know who thinks hes the greatest of all time.. |
I’m being transparently disingenuous for effect my friend. Your secret is safe. 
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | MJST wrote: | So Ingram should be used as a Spot up, Cutter, Slasher....
Imagine that... |
I think he demonstrated he can do a little more than that.. Clearly he played pretty well at the 1 for a stretch before he was injured.
With a young developing player I don't believe in the "he's good at ___ so he should only be doing ___" mentality. |
Ingram wasn't that good at PG. He made way too many forced and careless passes. The offense with him holding the ball is just iso with little to no ball movement.
I get what Luke was trying to do but he's no Simmons. Use Ingram to flow within the offense, not against it.
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | I'd still like to know who thinks hes the greatest of all time.. |
I’m being transparently disingenuous for effect my friend. Your secret is safe. |
lol.. okay. |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | MJST wrote: | So Ingram should be used as a Spot up, Cutter, Slasher....
Imagine that... |
I think he demonstrated he can do a little more than that.. Clearly he played pretty well at the 1 for a stretch before he was injured.
With a young developing player I don't believe in the "he's good at ___ so he should only be doing ___" mentality. |
Ingram wasn't that good at PG. He made way too many forced and careless passes. The offense with him holding the ball is just iso with little to no ball movement.
I get what Luke was trying to do but he's no Simmons. Use Ingram to flow within the offense, not against it. |
Simmons has nothing to do with anything.. and yea he was actually pretty good at PG before he was injured. Even those who are on the fence in regards to Ingram admitted as much. |
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GODBE
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Endless3D wrote: | | After doing in depth analysis on the numbersGT posted, I have concluded that Ingram is the greatest of all time. |
LOL, although the reason it is funny is because it is true of a number of folks. |
You should check out the Lakers subreddit if you really want to be amused. |
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PlantedTanks
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I am not sure BI will ever have an Elite skill but what separates BI from other players is his potential to be good to very good in every aspect of the game.
The totality of his game is greater than the individual parts.
How many players could you make that statement about? On the Lakers maybe Lonzo although he is already and elite passer and you could even say rebounder for a PG.
We should see incremental improvements in all his skills this next 2 years with the key imo being the development of his 3 pt shot.
If the Lakers are going to develop their own All-Stars then he has to be considered one of the favorites to reach that level. |
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GODBE
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | Godbe wrote: | ft% at Duke: 68%
ft% this season: 68% |
Umm how bout we use the stats from his actual NBA career.. Instead of the one that helps with our narrative..
62% first year.. 68% second year.. |
No narrative... just discouraging that he hasn't improved his ft shooting in 2 years. FT line is same distance in college and NBA. |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| Godbe wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | Godbe wrote: | ft% at Duke: 68%
ft% this season: 68% |
Umm how bout we use the stats from his actual NBA career.. Instead of the one that helps with our narrative..
62% first year.. 68% second year.. |
No narrative... just discouraging that he hasn't improved his ft shooting in 2 years. FT line is same distance in college and NBA. |
That's improvement.. no matter how you wanna look at it. |
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Luminous8
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | MJST wrote: | So Ingram should be used as a Spot up, Cutter, Slasher....
Imagine that... |
I think he demonstrated he can do a little more than that.. Clearly he played pretty well at the 1 for a stretch before he was injured.
With a young developing player I don't believe in the "he's good at ___ so he should only be doing ___" mentality. |
Ingram wasn't that good at PG. He made way too many forced and careless passes. The offense with him holding the ball is just iso with little to no ball movement.
I get what Luke was trying to do but he's no Simmons. Use Ingram to flow within the offense, not against it. |
Not sure who you were watching but it was universally accepted that he really played quite well as the pseudo PG. Kept up with the pace, little ISO, initiated the offense properly, didn't dribble the air out of the ball, while giving us our best stretch of hoops win wise on the year. You can't say that about early in the season or the attempt at PG last year but the narrative you're trying to creating simply isn't there anymore bro.
Then again, I bet you still think Julius doesn't play defense, set screens, or play hard 100% of the time either huh? |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| Luminous8 wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | MJST wrote: | So Ingram should be used as a Spot up, Cutter, Slasher....
Imagine that... |
I think he demonstrated he can do a little more than that.. Clearly he played pretty well at the 1 for a stretch before he was injured.
With a young developing player I don't believe in the "he's good at ___ so he should only be doing ___" mentality. |
Ingram wasn't that good at PG. He made way too many forced and careless passes. The offense with him holding the ball is just iso with little to no ball movement.
I get what Luke was trying to do but he's no Simmons. Use Ingram to flow within the offense, not against it. |
Not sure who you were watching but it was universally accepted that he really played quite well as the pseudo PG. Kept up with the pace, little ISO, initiated the offense properly, didn't dribble the air out of the ball, while giving us our best stretch of hoops win wise on the year. You can't say that about early in the season or the attempt at PG last year but the narrative you're trying to creating simply isn't there anymore bro.
Then again, I bet you still think Julius doesn't play defense, set screens, or play hard 100% of the time either huh? |
Part of the reason I'd like to see them run a lineup of Ingram and Lonzo at the 1/2 combo trading point guard and ball handling duties.
Try this starting lineup out
Brandon Ingram
Lonzo Ball
Kyle Kuzma
Julius Randle
Center
and see how it goes.
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Luminous8
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | MJST wrote: | So Ingram should be used as a Spot up, Cutter, Slasher....
Imagine that... |
I think he demonstrated he can do a little more than that.. Clearly he played pretty well at the 1 for a stretch before he was injured.
With a young developing player I don't believe in the "he's good at ___ so he should only be doing ___" mentality. |
Ingram wasn't that good at PG. He made way too many forced and careless passes. The offense with him holding the ball is just iso with little to no ball movement.
I get what Luke was trying to do but he's no Simmons. Use Ingram to flow within the offense, not against it. |
Not sure who you were watching but it was universally accepted that he really played quite well as the pseudo PG. Kept up with the pace, little ISO, initiated the offense properly, didn't dribble the air out of the ball, while giving us our best stretch of hoops win wise on the year. You can't say that about early in the season or the attempt at PG last year but the narrative you're trying to creating simply isn't there anymore bro.
Then again, I bet you still think Julius doesn't play defense, set screens, or play hard 100% of the time either huh? |
Part of the reason I'd like to see them run a lineup of Ingram and Lonzo at the 1/2 combo trading point guard and ball handling duties.
Try this starting lineup out
Brandon Ingram
Lonzo Ball
Kyle Kuzma
Julius Randle
Center
and see how it goes. |
If we don't get PG I'd have no problem at all giving it a shot. I prefer Kuzmas punch off the bench, but he faired MUCH better at the 3 than I ever could have imagined. He was much more engaged defensively as well. Similar to Brandon checking ball handlers instead of always falling asleep off ball defensively. |
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KindCrippler2000
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22-6-4 on 48-40-75 splits if no other superstars next season.
It's happening, fellas. 
Believe.  |
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I was finally able to get the numbers for Ingram from 2/1 and on, which is when he went on his run after being moved to PG. No percentiles, but you can compare his PPP to before. He played in 13 games in this stretch
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:18 am Post subject: |
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On Jan. 1st he was 32%, Feb 6th 33%. This is why I'm not real convinced his shot is legit, on the low attempts
These normal %s are on NBA.com, can date search |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Dang....my phone isn't letting me see. Thanks for the update anyway! |
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Thanks, GT. Looking at those numbers, he was most efficient scoring facing up off the dribble in an ISO or in the P&R. That's a significant change and surprising given that I thought he'd be best posting up (which he was actually worst at, even though, to be fair, that was his least frequent play type thus small sample).
50% catch and shoot is pretty awesome. 62% at the rim looks pretty great too, especially given his frequency there.
His stroke, especially 17 feet out, definitely was money during that period of time. Clearly, he was wayyyy better at driving right than driving left (which also explains why he went right way more often).
Basically, during February, he was great jump shots, catch and shoots, driving right, finishing at the rim and only bad at post ups, runners and going left. Further, those things he was bad at were mitigated because he did them way less often than everything else.
If Ingram can take that February and run with it, he'll be even more improved next year. Its unfortunate that he was injured the last month and a half. While at Duke and in his rookie year, he improved as the seasons progressed and finished strong at the end each time. His strong February is consistent with that pattern. It makes me believe that had he remained healthy, February would have simply been the start and the springboard.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Is there anyway to see advanced stats by month? His advanced numbers are still below average but in that stretch of Feb they were rising on a game to game basis. |
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| Endless3D wrote: | | Is there anyway to see advanced stats by month? His advanced numbers are still below average but in that stretch of Feb they were rising on a game to game basis. |
I just posted some of his Synergy numbers from 2/1 on. |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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First time listening to one of your shows.. Must say it was great listening to knowledgeable Laker guys cover Laker players. Refreshing actually.
Can't say that I disagreed with anything that was said.. You guys were pretty spot on, and nuanced.
You also touched on something that I mentioned in the "Optimistic Projections" thread. Where I'm about 70 to 80% sure Ball is going to be some version of J Kidd. 80 to 90% sure Kuz will be just as good as a Jamison/Rashard Lewis hybrid. 80% sure Randle will be end up being some sort of Green/Zbo hybrid.. But with Brandon, in my opinion he could be something really special, or something pretty darn good. And I'm just not as certain about his ceiling as I am the other guys.
Anyway I was impressed with the podcast..  |
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If Brandon Ingram develops a good jump shot (Taking 3-4 threes a game at above league average, 75-80% free throw shooting) what do you think his ceiling as a scorer is?
I'm only 4 minutes into the video so I might just be impatient but I hear a lot of people saying that he could be a swiss army type (not that I take that as an insult) rather then a guy that's elite at something.
But when I see his game, I think he's a jump shot away from being a very good scorer. He's already really good at driving to the rim while being 20 and underdeveloped, what would stop him becoming that type of scorer if we add in 10 pounds of muscle and a good jumpshot?
edit: you guys addressed it a few minutes after I posted this question lol |
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| How long has it been since we have seen Ingram play, 2 months? He will basically have 7-8 months of development before the next time we see him. I’m assuming he was working on his shot while he was injured during the season and I expect a huge change in his body and game by the start of next season. If our trainers are worth a damn they should be able to transform the kid in that amount of time. He should have a very noticble muscle gains at the very least. Imo he should drop the skinny label this summer...it doesn’t seem like much but he made tremendous gains between his freshman and sophomore seasons. I expect at least the same but more tbh because he has more time. |
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| SocalDevin wrote: |
First time listening to one of your shows.. Must say it was great listening to knowledgeable Laker guys cover Laker players. Refreshing actually.
Can't say that I disagreed with anything that was said.. You guys were pretty spot on, and nuanced.
You also touched on something that I mentioned in the "Optimistic Projections" thread. Where I'm about 70 to 80% sure Ball is going to be some version of J Kidd. 80 to 90% sure Kuz will be just as good as a Jamison/Rashard Lewis hybrid. 80% sure Randle will be end up being some sort of Green/Zbo hybrid.. But with Brandon, in my opinion he could be something really special, or something pretty darn good. And I'm just not as certain about his ceiling as I am the other guys.
Anyway I was impressed with the podcast.. |
Appreciate you listening, man. Both Darius & I can be a bit long-winded so it isn't for everyone, but I feel like we kind of have our own lane in terms of Lakers shows. |
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