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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:55 am    Post subject:

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Its worth keeping in mind that if Brandon Ingram was Tayshaun Prince, Shawn Marion or Scottie Pippen, next season would be his rookie season.


Man, if BI can be LeBron's scottie and we add a max FA next summer, #17
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AFireInside619 wrote:
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Brandon responds to LeBron signing on IG

https://lonzowire.usatoday.com/2018/07/10/lonzo-lamelo-ball-lose-it-over-brandon-ingrams-lebron-james-ig-post/

Great photoshop work BI


Incredible tbh. I actually thought it was a real photo.


BI has 1000xís more personality than Kawhi, thatís for sure.


But 1000 x 0 = 0.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:58 am    Post subject:

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Its worth keeping in mind that if Brandon Ingram was Tayshaun Prince, Shawn Marion or Scottie Pippen, next season would be his rookie season.


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Ingram's not Tayshaun. It's like some of you don't even watch our guys play and just go off of body type only. They don't play alike. Ingram is going to far and away surpass Prince's best season this year.


I think this every time I see him compared to Durant or Giannis. His counting stats are great but heís yet to have a sustained positive impact on our teams play over the course of the season. Heís got tons of potential but his body type helps him amongst the general publicís and LGs view of his potential far more than it hurts it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:04 pm    Post subject:

I'm still going with a rich man's Batum with better scoring.

BI has shown some improved passing as a playmaker when Lonzo was out. Plus he's a better scorer than Batum, and that got him a mega deal. A rich man's Batum + LBJ + max 2019 FA (likely wing player) is a great trio of wings to have.
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I'm still going with a rich man's Batum with better scoring.

BI has shown some improved passing as a playmaker when Lonzo was out. Plus he's a better scorer than Batum, and that got him a mega deal. A rich man's Batum + LBJ + max 2019 FA (likely wing player) is a great trio of wings to have.


And Kuz off the bench. Thatís a ton of depth to fill the most important role in the NBA.
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I'm still going with a rich man's Batum with better scoring.

BI has shown some improved passing as a playmaker when Lonzo was out. Plus he's a better scorer than Batum, and that got him a mega deal. A rich man's Batum + LBJ + max 2019 FA (likely wing player) is a great trio of wings to have.


I dunno. Batum, at least at the time, fit the mold (maybe even crafted the mold) of the "3 & D" wing player. It's hard for me to see Ingram in that light until he embraces the 3-ball and/or improves his defense.

In terms of player comparisons, I'd probably go with Odom because of the ballhandling, but you could shoot holes all day through that one too.
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I'm still going with a rich man's Batum with better scoring.

BI has shown some improved passing as a playmaker when Lonzo was out. Plus he's a better scorer than Batum, and that got him a mega deal. A rich man's Batum + LBJ + max 2019 FA (likely wing player) is a great trio of wings to have.


I dunno. Batum, at least at the time, fit the mold (maybe even crafted the mold) of a the "3 & D" wing player. It's hard for me to see Ingram in that light until embraces the 3-ball and/or improves his defense.

In terms of player comparisons, I'd probably go with Odom because of the ballhandling, but you could shoot holes all day through that one too.


BI shot 39% from 3, albeit on a low number of attempts per game.

But the comparison for me is apt b/c Batum was a ball handling forward who shot the 3 at a league average rate. His career stats:

12ppg/3.8apg/5.3rpg on 35.5% from 3.

BI has surpassed that last season, ergo the Bill Gates version of Batum. Maybe there's a more impactful player comp, but just similar archetypes.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:26 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
AFireInside619 wrote:
Lonzo'sBalls wrote:
CervantesRises wrote:
Brandon responds to LeBron signing on IG

https://lonzowire.usatoday.com/2018/07/10/lonzo-lamelo-ball-lose-it-over-brandon-ingrams-lebron-james-ig-post/

Great photoshop work BI


Incredible tbh. I actually thought it was a real photo.


BI has 1000xís more personality than Kawhi, thatís for sure.


But 1000 x 0 = 0.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:29 pm    Post subject:

Brandon Ingram's ceiling is poor man's Kevin Durant (yeah I said it), which means I expect him to be a top 15 player in the NBA at some point.

Brandon has slightly less explosiveness and quickness compared to Durant but just as smooth

watch these Durant rookie highlights and tell me you don't see a little bit of Ingram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrhiajO1Bg4
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Brandon Ingram's ceiling is poor man's Kevin Durant (yeah I said it), which means I expect him to be a top 15 player in the NBA at some point.

Brandon has slightly less explosiveness and quickness compared to Durant but just as smooth

watch these Durant rookie highlights and tell me you don't see a little bit of Ingram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrhiajO1Bg4


BI is nowhere near the shooter as KD was coming in. I think the BI/KD comps need to die.

I just don't know who is a better comp for him.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:37 pm    Post subject:

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pokoy wrote:
You donít make the jump BI makes from year 1 to year 2 without putting in the work. Period. You donít just improve because youíve played before. See: Ivica Zubac last season.


Putting in the work and being the hardest worker on the team are very different things. Iíd like to see him build up his body more before I anoint him with that title. Iíd guess Hart is the hardest worker based off of overall improvement both skill wise and physically but thatís just a guess, just like it is when people say that about Ingram.


Some people have body types genetically predisposed to have more muscle mass. If you ever played any type of sports or have been an athlete at any point in your life, you would actually know this.

Goldenthroat was actually in the Lakers practice facility on TV, so I'll take my bets with him saying he's one of the hardest workers as he is privy to much more first hand knowledge and other people's accounts than you or I.


Wasnít saying Hart is the hardest working strictly because heís the biggest. Itís a combination of many things and I acknowledged it was a guess. Reading comprehension is a valuable skill.

Many people have said player xyz were hard workers. I choose to not trust those quotes unless I see proof (improvement of skill set, and physical attributes. BI seems to have improved mostly because of more experience playing opposed to offseason work. I believe that because heís been bad early in both seasons and then had great stretches later in both seasons. Could I be wrong? Of course but itís a reasonable hypothesis.


Comeon man...that's ridiculous.

Brandon has historically started seasons slow from HS to College to the NBA. It was made a big deal of when he was drafted from Duke.

Last off season the emphasis was on him getting stronger so he could finish better at the cup and literally everyone was given strict guidelines for the shape the FO wanted them in for TC...he followed their direction and he was able to. There's your proof of hard work.

If you want to see what lack of hard work looks like just revisit the Shaq years for him coming in completely out of shape, using the season to get into shape, and then beasting in the POs. Don't you remember how much that pissed Kobe off?

There's your guy who doesn't work hard example.

Literally everyone comments on how hard BI works at his craft...but I guess all those guys are FOS in your world on this topic?
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AFireInside619 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
AFireInside619 wrote:
Lonzo'sBalls wrote:
CervantesRises wrote:
Brandon responds to LeBron signing on IG

https://lonzowire.usatoday.com/2018/07/10/lonzo-lamelo-ball-lose-it-over-brandon-ingrams-lebron-james-ig-post/

Great photoshop work BI


Incredible tbh. I actually thought it was a real photo.


BI has 1000xís more personality than Kawhi, thatís for sure.


But 1000 x 0 = 0.


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of course
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:38 pm    Post subject:

I'm on the side that says BI is a rich man's BI.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:44 pm    Post subject:

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Ingram's not Tayshaun. It's like some of you don't even watch our guys play and just go off of body type only. They don't play alike. Ingram is going to far and away surpass Prince's best season this year.


I think this every time I see him compared to Durant or Giannis. His counting stats are great but heís yet to have a sustained positive impact on our teams play over the course of the season. Heís got tons of potential but his body type helps him amongst the general publicís and LGs view of his potential far more than it hurts it.


Could that be because he was under 20 and only played 1 year of college ball before only playing 2 years of NBA ball? Or injuries? Or that he did impact us in a big way last season even though you don't want to admit it?

If a 19 year old can do this...
59 games 33.5mpg 16.1ppg 47.0% 5.3 Boards 3.9 Assists

after doing virtually half of that as a rookie...

then it stands to reason the improvement was based upon hard work. We have a kid that's about to be 20 and be a 20ppg scorer and you seriously think that's not because of hard, dedicated work?

Come on man.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:46 pm    Post subject:

All this BI love is making me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:57 pm    Post subject:

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Brandon Ingram's ceiling is poor man's Kevin Durant (yeah I said it), which means I expect him to be a top 15 player in the NBA at some point.

Brandon has slightly less explosiveness and quickness compared to Durant but just as smooth

watch these Durant rookie highlights and tell me you don't see a little bit of Ingram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrhiajO1Bg4


BI is nowhere near the shooter as KD was coming in. I think the BI/KD comps need to die.

I just don't know who is a better comp for him.


When you look at Durants Rookie season he played 34mins/game average 17 shots per game @ 43% with only 28% on 3s

This season Ingram has similar minutes at 33mins/game on only 12 attempts @ 47% and 39% threes

I agree durant is a better shooter but Ingram has that potential. His fluidity in shot when I look at his workout videos this summer look really good.
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BigGameHames wrote:
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BigGameHames wrote:
pokoy wrote:
You donít make the jump BI makes from year 1 to year 2 without putting in the work. Period. You donít just improve because youíve played before. See: Ivica Zubac last season.


Putting in the work and being the hardest worker on the team are very different things. Iíd like to see him build up his body more before I anoint him with that title. Iíd guess Hart is the hardest worker based off of overall improvement both skill wise and physically but thatís just a guess, just like it is when people say that about Ingram.


Some people have body types genetically predisposed to have more muscle mass. If you ever played any type of sports or have been an athlete at any point in your life, you would actually know this.

Goldenthroat was actually in the Lakers practice facility on TV, so I'll take my bets with him saying he's one of the hardest workers as he is privy to much more first hand knowledge and other people's accounts than you or I.


Wasnít saying Hart is the hardest working strictly because heís the biggest. Itís a combination of many things and I acknowledged it was a guess. Reading comprehension is a valuable skill.

Many people have said player xyz were hard workers. I choose to not trust those quotes unless I see proof (improvement of skill set, and physical attributes. BI seems to have improved mostly because of more experience playing opposed to offseason work. I believe that because heís been bad early in both seasons and then had great stretches later in both seasons. Could I be wrong? Of course but itís a reasonable hypothesis.


Comeon man...that's ridiculous.

Brandon has historically started seasons slow from HS to College to the NBA. It was made a big deal of when he was drafted from Duke.

Last off season the emphasis was on him getting stronger so he could finish better at the cup and literally everyone was given strict guidelines for the shape the FO wanted them in for TC...he followed their direction and he was able to. There's your proof of hard work.

If you want to see what lack of hard work looks like just revisit the Shaq years for him coming in completely out of shape, using the season to get into shape, and then beasting in the POs. Don't you remember how much that pissed Kobe off?

There's your guy who doesn't work hard example.

Literally everyone comments on how hard BI works at his craft...but I guess all those guys are FOS in your world on this topic?


1) You didnít disprove my point with anything you said. But itís your prerogative to feel itís riduculoys. I believe itís a pretty fair assumption. Coming into the season considerably better vs getting better during the season is relevant to me. He did improve finishing but it still took him a while to translate to the court.

2) Stop misrepresenting my point. My point is and has always been that heís not a proven outlier hard worker compared to other NBA players . Never said he doesnít work hard or is lazy. My quote from yesterday is being taken way out of context. Heís not a proven hard worker was admittedly a poor wording on my part but anybody with a shred of ability to comprehend what they are reading would understand my point in the context of the conversation. The narrative has been established that he puts in more work in the offseason despite a lack of any evidence beyond quotes that are coming from people with an obviously biased opinion of Ingram(Lakers teammates and staff). Thereís no reason for those people not to say that. I donít know his work ethic just like everybody else on here so I assume itís pretty standard and the fact that he generally improves during opposed to before a season points towards game experience being the biggest factor. Thatís a fair and reasonable take whether you can accept it or not. Agree or disagree thatís what weíre all here for and is completely fair but quit misrepresenting my point just because you disagree.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:03 pm    Post subject:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
BlackStarMamba wrote:
Brandon Ingram's ceiling is poor man's Kevin Durant (yeah I said it), which means I expect him to be a top 15 player in the NBA at some point.

Brandon has slightly less explosiveness and quickness compared to Durant but just as smooth

watch these Durant rookie highlights and tell me you don't see a little bit of Ingram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrhiajO1Bg4


BI is nowhere near the shooter as KD was coming in. I think the BI/KD comps need to die.

I just don't know who is a better comp for him.


When you look at Durants Rookie season he played 34mins/game average 17 shots per game @ 43% with only 28% on 3s

This season Ingram has similar minutes at 33mins/game on only 12 attempts @ 47% and 39% threes

I agree durant is a better shooter but Ingram has that potential. His fluidity in shot when I look at his workout videos this summer look really good.

I just think they're different types of players.

I think BI actually can be a more versatile player.

KD is just an elite scorer. I don't think that's BI's archetype.
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Ingram's not Tayshaun. It's like some of you don't even watch our guys play and just go off of body type only. They don't play alike. Ingram is going to far and away surpass Prince's best season this year.


I think this every time I see him compared to Durant or Giannis. His counting stats are great but heís yet to have a sustained positive impact on our teams play over the course of the season. Heís got tons of potential but his body type helps him amongst the general publicís and LGs view of his potential far more than it hurts it.


Could that be because he was under 20 and only played 1 year of college ball before only playing 2 years of NBA ball? Or injuries? Or that he did impact us in a big way last season even though you don't want to admit it?

If a 19 year old can do this...
59 games 33.5mpg 16.1ppg 47.0% 5.3 Boards 3.9 Assists

after doing virtually half of that as a rookie...

then it stands to reason the improvement was based upon hard work. We have a kid that's about to be 20 and be a 20ppg scorer and you seriously think that's not because of hard, dedicated work?

Come on man.


We had a 20 year old rookie positively effect the team last year. There are numbers that judge a teams performance with and without a player. They donít accept that Ingram is a positive impact either.

He didnít put up those numbers when he was 19.

He wonít average 20 ppg next year. Bookmark this and rub it in my face if he does. I truly hope you have that opportunity but I donít think thatís gonna happen.
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BigGameHames wrote:
CervantesRises wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
OC Lakerfan wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
pokoy wrote:
You donít make the jump BI makes from year 1 to year 2 without putting in the work. Period. You donít just improve because youíve played before. See: Ivica Zubac last season.


Putting in the work and being the hardest worker on the team are very different things. Iíd like to see him build up his body more before I anoint him with that title. Iíd guess Hart is the hardest worker based off of overall improvement both skill wise and physically but thatís just a guess, just like it is when people say that about Ingram.


Some people have body types genetically predisposed to have more muscle mass. If you ever played any type of sports or have been an athlete at any point in your life, you would actually know this.

Goldenthroat was actually in the Lakers practice facility on TV, so I'll take my bets with him saying he's one of the hardest workers as he is privy to much more first hand knowledge and other people's accounts than you or I.


Wasnít saying Hart is the hardest working strictly because heís the biggest. Itís a combination of many things and I acknowledged it was a guess. Reading comprehension is a valuable skill.

Many people have said player xyz were hard workers. I choose to not trust those quotes unless I see proof (improvement of skill set, and physical attributes. BI seems to have improved mostly because of more experience playing opposed to offseason work. I believe that because heís been bad early in both seasons and then had great stretches later in both seasons. Could I be wrong? Of course but itís a reasonable hypothesis.


Comeon man...that's ridiculous.

Brandon has historically started seasons slow from HS to College to the NBA. It was made a big deal of when he was drafted from Duke.

Last off season the emphasis was on him getting stronger so he could finish better at the cup and literally everyone was given strict guidelines for the shape the FO wanted them in for TC...he followed their direction and he was able to. There's your proof of hard work.

If you want to see what lack of hard work looks like just revisit the Shaq years for him coming in completely out of shape, using the season to get into shape, and then beasting in the POs. Don't you remember how much that pissed Kobe off?

There's your guy who doesn't work hard example.

Literally everyone comments on how hard BI works at his craft...but I guess all those guys are FOS in your world on this topic?


1) You didnít disprove my point with anything you said. But itís your prerogative to feel itís riduculoys. I believe itís a pretty fair assumption. Coming into the season considerably better vs getting better during the season is relevant to me. He did improve finishing but it still took him a while to translate to the court.

2) Stop misrepresenting my point. My point is and has always been that heís not a proven outlier hard worker compared to other NBA players . Never said he doesnít work hard or is lazy. My quote from yesterday is being taken way out of context. Heís not a proven hard worker was admittedly a poor wording on my part but anybody with a shred of ability to comprehend what they are reading would understand my point in the context of the conversation. The narrative has been established that he puts in more work in the offseason despite a lack of any evidence beyond quotes that are coming from people with an obviously biased opinion of Ingram(Lakers teammates and staff). Thereís no reason for those people not to say that. I donít know his work ethic just like everybody else on here so I assume itís pretty standard and the fact that he generally improves during opposed to before a season points towards game experience being the biggest factor. Thatís a fair and reasonable take whether you can accept it or not. Agree or disagree thatís what weíre all here for and is completely fair but quit misrepresenting my point just because you disagree.


Goldenthroat is not a Lakers teammate or staff.

Duke basketball has commented (via their IG) that he was a hard worker when he came back and worked out there as a Laker player.

How would you gauge he's the hardest worker or one of the hardest workers on his team other than people who have access to his workouts? Namely, Lakers teammates and staff. I guess we can call Miss Cleo and see if they are right or not. smh
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:23 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
BlackStarMamba wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
BlackStarMamba wrote:
Brandon Ingram's ceiling is poor man's Kevin Durant (yeah I said it), which means I expect him to be a top 15 player in the NBA at some point.

Brandon has slightly less explosiveness and quickness compared to Durant but just as smooth

watch these Durant rookie highlights and tell me you don't see a little bit of Ingram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrhiajO1Bg4


BI is nowhere near the shooter as KD was coming in. I think the BI/KD comps need to die.

I just don't know who is a better comp for him.


When you look at Durants Rookie season he played 34mins/game average 17 shots per game @ 43% with only 28% on 3s

This season Ingram has similar minutes at 33mins/game on only 12 attempts @ 47% and 39% threes

I agree durant is a better shooter but Ingram has that potential. His fluidity in shot when I look at his workout videos this summer look really good.

I just think they're different types of players.

I think BI actually can be a more versatile player.

KD is just an elite scorer. I don't think that's BI's archetype.


yeah, KD played much faster as a rookie than ingram. ingram isn't quite KD...he's something else with flashes of KD. a bit more of a thoughtful, methodical player.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:23 pm    Post subject:

It's pointless, you guys should leave him be. His posts are usually skewed in a certain direction in this particular thread. No amount of reasoning will change that.
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OC Lakerfan wrote:
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BigGameHames wrote:
OC Lakerfan wrote:
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pokoy wrote:
You donít make the jump BI makes from year 1 to year 2 without putting in the work. Period. You donít just improve because youíve played before. See: Ivica Zubac last season.


Putting in the work and being the hardest worker on the team are very different things. Iíd like to see him build up his body more before I anoint him with that title. Iíd guess Hart is the hardest worker based off of overall improvement both skill wise and physically but thatís just a guess, just like it is when people say that about Ingram.


Some people have body types genetically predisposed to have more muscle mass. If you ever played any type of sports or have been an athlete at any point in your life, you would actually know this.

Goldenthroat was actually in the Lakers practice facility on TV, so I'll take my bets with him saying he's one of the hardest workers as he is privy to much more first hand knowledge and other people's accounts than you or I.


Wasnít saying Hart is the hardest working strictly because heís the biggest. Itís a combination of many things and I acknowledged it was a guess. Reading comprehension is a valuable skill.

Many people have said player xyz were hard workers. I choose to not trust those quotes unless I see proof (improvement of skill set, and physical attributes. BI seems to have improved mostly because of more experience playing opposed to offseason work. I believe that because heís been bad early in both seasons and then had great stretches later in both seasons. Could I be wrong? Of course but itís a reasonable hypothesis.


Comeon man...that's ridiculous.

Brandon has historically started seasons slow from HS to College to the NBA. It was made a big deal of when he was drafted from Duke.

Last off season the emphasis was on him getting stronger so he could finish better at the cup and literally everyone was given strict guidelines for the shape the FO wanted them in for TC...he followed their direction and he was able to. There's your proof of hard work.

If you want to see what lack of hard work looks like just revisit the Shaq years for him coming in completely out of shape, using the season to get into shape, and then beasting in the POs. Don't you remember how much that pissed Kobe off?

There's your guy who doesn't work hard example.

Literally everyone comments on how hard BI works at his craft...but I guess all those guys are FOS in your world on this topic?


1) You didnít disprove my point with anything you said. But itís your prerogative to feel itís riduculoys. I believe itís a pretty fair assumption. Coming into the season considerably better vs getting better during the season is relevant to me. He did improve finishing but it still took him a while to translate to the court.

2) Stop misrepresenting my point. My point is and has always been that heís not a proven outlier hard worker compared to other NBA players . Never said he doesnít work hard or is lazy. My quote from yesterday is being taken way out of context. Heís not a proven hard worker was admittedly a poor wording on my part but anybody with a shred of ability to comprehend what they are reading would understand my point in the context of the conversation. The narrative has been established that he puts in more work in the offseason despite a lack of any evidence beyond quotes that are coming from people with an obviously biased opinion of Ingram(Lakers teammates and staff). Thereís no reason for those people not to say that. I donít know his work ethic just like everybody else on here so I assume itís pretty standard and the fact that he generally improves during opposed to before a season points towards game experience being the biggest factor. Thatís a fair and reasonable take whether you can accept it or not. Agree or disagree thatís what weíre all here for and is completely fair but quit misrepresenting my point just because you disagree.


Goldenthroat is not a Lakers teammate or staff.

Duke basketball has commented (via their IG) that he was a hard worker when he came back and worked out there as a Laker player.

How would you gauge he's the hardest worker or one of the hardest workers on his team other than people who have access to his workouts? Namely, Lakers teammates and staff. I guess we can call Miss Cleo and see if they are right or not. smh


GT is a fantastic basketball mind and I love the content he produces but not a reliable source in this situation IMO. Heís either following BI around(heís not) or heís getting his info from Lakers sources such as teammates and staff.

I wouldnít till later in his career. We donít have near enough access to gauge that. Which is why I assume heís average and donít use it in my analysis. Remember when JC was the hardest working Laker? Well, turns out he wasnít. Heís generally improved during the year opposed to before which points towards game experience being the main contributor although Iíve stated(multiple times now) that thatís an educated guess and not a conclusion.
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