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BigGameHames Star Player
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kawhileonard wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | SocalDevin wrote: | @BigGame
I said.. "It's really not even a question of whether or not they will show improvement. Given their history it's pretty safe to say they will."
You said.. "It is definitely a question whether or not ALL of them improve. Ignoring that is ridiculous." " But again, saying it’s a sure thing can be explained as nothing but homerism."
Kuz and Ingram have done nothing but Improve since they've been in the league, me saying it's a pretty safe bet to expect them to carry that into this next season seems like a pretty reasonable take. For you to say it's "nothing but homerism" seems pretty silly to me. |
They played on bad teams and were given a lot of freedom and opportunity. Now they will be on a better team with less freedom and opportunity. Better opportunities but less of them overall with other people to get involved. Assuming they’ll both improve across the board is some homerism IMO. I hope you’re right though. |
Good point.
When you play on bad teams, someone has to put up stats and their is less pressure, but with Lebron now a laker.......
WHy i always say Booker is a wanker. |
I think he could adjust to playing on a good team but yea he’s not as good as people think he is. |
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24Legend007 Star Player
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1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | SocalDevin wrote: | Dumhead wrote: | Judah wrote: | matrixskillz wrote: | The pressure is on BI to prove he can be a franchise player. In his third season, KD averaged 30/8/3 and played all 82 games. I'd like to see BI average 20+ with the open looks he'll get as well as become a lock down defender. |
Just stop, man. There is no pressure on him to prove he's a franchise player at all. The Lakers have their franchise player already. And stop trying to set him up for failure by posting those Durant numbers. He’s not an elite scorer like Durant was and probably never will be. That doesn't mean he’s some failure that you have to get rid of. You're being ridiculous. |
The pressure is on him to prove he is a solid #2 or an excellent #3... which he might already be. |
I don't think there's any pressure on him at all.. He showed growth last season, I'm sure they're expecting him to show growth this season as well. No one's coming out saying he needs to prove he's a franchise player, no one is saying he needs to be the number 2 guy.. |
There’s pressure on all the young core to improve. BI especially IMO, considering he’s not the current FOs guy and he didn’t meet the (unrealistic) expectations placed on him last year. Magic gave these guys one more season to prove what they have. If this season doesn’t go well, I would guess the young guys start getting shipped out. I expect this season to go well though. |
Everything points to Ingram being Magic's favorite, "not the current FO's guy" doesn't mean (bleep) |
Believe what you want but stop following me around in this thread like a lap dog. |
I'll post in this thread when I want and reply to who I want.
Not my fault you always get proven wrong and make yourself look foolish in this thread. |
Then make it worthwhile and I’ll give you a treat. |
The treat is seeing you look like an idiot every time you make a post in this thread. |
I’m not sure what I did to make you hate me but this is kinda pathetic. Move on or say something worth responding to/discussing/debating and stop acting like an infant. |
Which is clearly what I was doing saying that Ingram not being drafted by Magic isn't relavent because it's pretty clear that BI is his favorite.
But you went on with the "lapdog comment" and then acted like I was trying to bait you, pretty pathetic. You post on a public forum, people reply with their opinions/perspective which is what I was doing. Not sure if you know but that's kind of how this works. |
Ingram is one of my faves, but I don't see Magic stepping over himself for BI, like I see him doing for Lonzo, Kuzma, Hart, and even Moe. |
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kawhileonard Starting Rotation
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Honestly, I think the front office rates Kuzma the highest....
This doesn't mean the scouts or Walton, just Pelinka + jeanie buss + magic. |
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watchME Star Player
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BigGameHames wrote: | SocalDevin wrote: | @BigGame
I said.. "It's really not even a question of whether or not they will show improvement. Given their history it's pretty safe to say they will."
You said.. "It is definitely a question whether or not ALL of them improve. Ignoring that is ridiculous." " But again, saying it’s a sure thing can be explained as nothing but homerism."
Kuz and Ingram have done nothing but Improve since they've been in the league, me saying it's a pretty safe bet to expect them to carry that into this next season seems like a pretty reasonable take. For you to say it's "nothing but homerism" seems pretty silly to me. |
They played on bad teams and were given a lot of freedom and opportunity. Now they will be on a better team with less freedom and opportunity. Better opportunities but less of them overall with other people to get involved. Assuming they’ll both improve across the board is some homerism IMO. I hope you’re right though. | This opportunity you speak, what was ingram and kuzma’s usage and shots per game? This doesn’t apply to kuz and ingram. These guys are LEGIT and LEGIT guys do better on LEGIT teams. |
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SocalDevin Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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BigGameHames wrote: | SocalDevin wrote: | @BigGame
I said.. "It's really not even a question of whether or not they will show improvement. Given their history it's pretty safe to say they will."
You said.. "It is definitely a question whether or not ALL of them improve. Ignoring that is ridiculous." " But again, saying it’s a sure thing can be explained as nothing but homerism."
Kuz and Ingram have done nothing but Improve since they've been in the league, me saying it's a pretty safe bet to expect them to carry that into this next season seems like a pretty reasonable take. For you to say it's "nothing but homerism" seems pretty silly to me. |
They played on bad teams and were given a lot of freedom and opportunity. Now they will be on a better team with less freedom and opportunity. Better opportunities but less of them overall with other people to get involved. Assuming they’ll both improve across the board is some homerism IMO. I hope you’re right though. |
I'm sorry boss I just can't understand you sometimes.. All our young guys are working their asses off during the off season. They showed improvement during last season as it progressed. But you're telling me that it's "homerism" to expect them to be better players this up coming season?????
C'mon man.. give our guys a little more credit. What I'm saying is reasonable. |
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BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | SocalDevin wrote: | Dumhead wrote: | Judah wrote: | matrixskillz wrote: | The pressure is on BI to prove he can be a franchise player. In his third season, KD averaged 30/8/3 and played all 82 games. I'd like to see BI average 20+ with the open looks he'll get as well as become a lock down defender. |
Just stop, man. There is no pressure on him to prove he's a franchise player at all. The Lakers have their franchise player already. And stop trying to set him up for failure by posting those Durant numbers. He’s not an elite scorer like Durant was and probably never will be. That doesn't mean he’s some failure that you have to get rid of. You're being ridiculous. |
The pressure is on him to prove he is a solid #2 or an excellent #3... which he might already be. |
I don't think there's any pressure on him at all.. He showed growth last season, I'm sure they're expecting him to show growth this season as well. No one's coming out saying he needs to prove he's a franchise player, no one is saying he needs to be the number 2 guy.. |
There’s pressure on all the young core to improve. BI especially IMO, considering he’s not the current FOs guy and he didn’t meet the (unrealistic) expectations placed on him last year. Magic gave these guys one more season to prove what they have. If this season doesn’t go well, I would guess the young guys start getting shipped out. I expect this season to go well though. |
Everything points to Ingram being Magic's favorite, "not the current FO's guy" doesn't mean (bleep) |
Believe what you want but stop following me around in this thread like a lap dog. |
I'll post in this thread when I want and reply to who I want.
Not my fault you always get proven wrong and make yourself look foolish in this thread. |
Then make it worthwhile and I’ll give you a treat. |
The treat is seeing you look like an idiot every time you make a post in this thread. |
I’m not sure what I did to make you hate me but this is kinda pathetic. Move on or say something worth responding to/discussing/debating and stop acting like an infant. |
Which is clearly what I was doing saying that Ingram not being drafted by Magic isn't relavent because it's pretty clear that BI is his favorite.
But you went on with the "lapdog comment" and then acted like I was trying to bait you, pretty pathetic. You post on a public forum, people reply with their opinions/perspective which is what I was doing. Not sure if you know but that's kind of how this works. |
Yes you posted that without any proof whatsoever and added that what I said “doesn’t mean (bleep)”. Yea that’s bating and insulting somebody. Don’t worry, I’m not offended.
Now back to why I think you’re wrong. A year ago BI was “untouchable” and expected to be a 20 point per game player. A year later, he averaged 16 and the FO said none of the young players are “untouchable”. That doesn’t scream “favorite” to me. Why do you think he’s the favorite of the FO? |
I didn't say "what you said doesn't mean (bleep)". I said "Not being Magic's draft pick doesn't mean (bleep)".
Because he's damn near cleared the whole (bleep) roster since he got here outside of Deng and Ingram. Everyone on this roster is his guy. Just because he wasn't drafted by Magic doesn't make him more likely to be traded then a Kuzma or Hart. _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe |
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BigGameHames Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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SocalDevin wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | SocalDevin wrote: | @BigGame
I said.. "It's really not even a question of whether or not they will show improvement. Given their history it's pretty safe to say they will."
You said.. "It is definitely a question whether or not ALL of them improve. Ignoring that is ridiculous." " But again, saying it’s a sure thing can be explained as nothing but homerism."
Kuz and Ingram have done nothing but Improve since they've been in the league, me saying it's a pretty safe bet to expect them to carry that into this next season seems like a pretty reasonable take. For you to say it's "nothing but homerism" seems pretty silly to me. |
They played on bad teams and were given a lot of freedom and opportunity. Now they will be on a better team with less freedom and opportunity. Better opportunities but less of them overall with other people to get involved. Assuming they’ll both improve across the board is some homerism IMO. I hope you’re right though. |
I'm sorry boss I just can't understand you sometimes.. All our young guys are working their asses off during the off season. They showed improvement during last season as it progressed. But you're telling me that it's "homerism" to expect them to be better players this up coming season?????
C'mon man.. give our guys a little more credit. What I'm saying is reasonable. |
No I’m saying that it’s likely but definitely in question and not a sure thing. Lots of players work their asses off and don’t make it. Again, I don’t expect that but it’s an unlikely possibility. Ignoring that isnt reasonable and shows some homerism. There’s plenty of cautionary tales supported that. I mean no offense and I hope you’re right. Just my opinion. |
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24Legend007 wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | SocalDevin wrote: | Dumhead wrote: | Judah wrote: | matrixskillz wrote: | The pressure is on BI to prove he can be a franchise player. In his third season, KD averaged 30/8/3 and played all 82 games. I'd like to see BI average 20+ with the open looks he'll get as well as become a lock down defender. |
Just stop, man. There is no pressure on him to prove he's a franchise player at all. The Lakers have their franchise player already. And stop trying to set him up for failure by posting those Durant numbers. He’s not an elite scorer like Durant was and probably never will be. That doesn't mean he’s some failure that you have to get rid of. You're being ridiculous. |
The pressure is on him to prove he is a solid #2 or an excellent #3... which he might already be. |
I don't think there's any pressure on him at all.. He showed growth last season, I'm sure they're expecting him to show growth this season as well. No one's coming out saying he needs to prove he's a franchise player, no one is saying he needs to be the number 2 guy.. |
There’s pressure on all the young core to improve. BI especially IMO, considering he’s not the current FOs guy and he didn’t meet the (unrealistic) expectations placed on him last year. Magic gave these guys one more season to prove what they have. If this season doesn’t go well, I would guess the young guys start getting shipped out. I expect this season to go well though. |
Everything points to Ingram being Magic's favorite, "not the current FO's guy" doesn't mean (bleep) |
Believe what you want but stop following me around in this thread like a lap dog. |
I'll post in this thread when I want and reply to who I want.
Not my fault you always get proven wrong and make yourself look foolish in this thread. |
Then make it worthwhile and I’ll give you a treat. |
The treat is seeing you look like an idiot every time you make a post in this thread. |
I’m not sure what I did to make you hate me but this is kinda pathetic. Move on or say something worth responding to/discussing/debating and stop acting like an infant. |
Which is clearly what I was doing saying that Ingram not being drafted by Magic isn't relavent because it's pretty clear that BI is his favorite.
But you went on with the "lapdog comment" and then acted like I was trying to bait you, pretty pathetic. You post on a public forum, people reply with their opinions/perspective which is what I was doing. Not sure if you know but that's kind of how this works. |
Ingram is one of my faves, but I don't see Magic stepping over himself for BI, like I see him doing for Lonzo, Kuzma, Hart, and even Moe. |
Can you give an example over "magic stepping over himself for the other four guys? Because Ingram has gotten more praise out of Johnson's mouth compared to anyone on the roster other then the first weekend of Lonzo Ball getting drafted.
In addition to that, at the start of the season when "no Laker is untouchable" news was leaking several analysts mentioned that Ingram is part of that "even though he is Magic's personal favorite".
I don't see how we have any context to help prove that Ingram is more likely to be traded due to him being drafted by the OLD FO. _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe |
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BigGameHames Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | SocalDevin wrote: | Dumhead wrote: | Judah wrote: | matrixskillz wrote: | The pressure is on BI to prove he can be a franchise player. In his third season, KD averaged 30/8/3 and played all 82 games. I'd like to see BI average 20+ with the open looks he'll get as well as become a lock down defender. |
Just stop, man. There is no pressure on him to prove he's a franchise player at all. The Lakers have their franchise player already. And stop trying to set him up for failure by posting those Durant numbers. He’s not an elite scorer like Durant was and probably never will be. That doesn't mean he’s some failure that you have to get rid of. You're being ridiculous. |
The pressure is on him to prove he is a solid #2 or an excellent #3... which he might already be. |
I don't think there's any pressure on him at all.. He showed growth last season, I'm sure they're expecting him to show growth this season as well. No one's coming out saying he needs to prove he's a franchise player, no one is saying he needs to be the number 2 guy.. |
There’s pressure on all the young core to improve. BI especially IMO, considering he’s not the current FOs guy and he didn’t meet the (unrealistic) expectations placed on him last year. Magic gave these guys one more season to prove what they have. If this season doesn’t go well, I would guess the young guys start getting shipped out. I expect this season to go well though. |
Everything points to Ingram being Magic's favorite, "not the current FO's guy" doesn't mean (bleep) |
Believe what you want but stop following me around in this thread like a lap dog. |
I'll post in this thread when I want and reply to who I want.
Not my fault you always get proven wrong and make yourself look foolish in this thread. |
Then make it worthwhile and I’ll give you a treat. |
The treat is seeing you look like an idiot every time you make a post in this thread. |
I’m not sure what I did to make you hate me but this is kinda pathetic. Move on or say something worth responding to/discussing/debating and stop acting like an infant. |
Which is clearly what I was doing saying that Ingram not being drafted by Magic isn't relavent because it's pretty clear that BI is his favorite.
But you went on with the "lapdog comment" and then acted like I was trying to bait you, pretty pathetic. You post on a public forum, people reply with their opinions/perspective which is what I was doing. Not sure if you know but that's kind of how this works. |
Yes you posted that without any proof whatsoever and added that what I said “doesn’t mean (bleep)”. Yea that’s bating and insulting somebody. Don’t worry, I’m not offended.
Now back to why I think you’re wrong. A year ago BI was “untouchable” and expected to be a 20 point per game player. A year later, he averaged 16 and the FO said none of the young players are “untouchable”. That doesn’t scream “favorite” to me. Why do you think he’s the favorite of the FO? |
I didn't say "what you said doesn't mean (bleep)". I said "Not being Magic's draft pick doesn't mean (bleep)".
Because he's damn near cleared the whole (bleep) roster since he got here outside of Deng and Ingram. Everyone on this roster is his guy. Just because he wasn't drafted by Magic doesn't make him more likely to be traded then a Kuzma or Hart. |
But that’s what I said... you literally just admitted to saying it my friend. Yes they’ve cleared everybody else out and we interpret what that means very very differently. |
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Judah Star Player
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SocalDevin wrote: | Judah wrote: | 24Legend007 wrote: | Judah wrote: | matrixskillz wrote: | The pressure is on BI to prove he can be a franchise player. In his third season, KD averaged 30/8/3 and played all 82 games. I'd like to see BI average 20+ with the open looks he'll get as well as become a lock down defender. |
Just stop, man. There is no pressure on him to prove he's a franchise player at all. The Lakers have their franchise player already. And stop trying to set him up for failure by posting those Durant numbers. He’s not an elite scorer like Durant was and probably never will be. That doesn't mean he’s some failure that you have to get rid of. You're being ridiculous. |
I think if BI isnt a fringe all star this year, L.A. will look to move him imo. |
That's extremely ridiculous too. |
I agree Judah, I won't say it's intentional since I don't know anyone's heart or thoughts but I'll see posters putting these benchmarks on our players that we haven't seen or heard communicated by the front office. It seems to be a way for them to heap criticisms if said players fall short. |
EXACTLY! Glad I'm not the only one sensing it from some of these posts. I don't understand the point of doing this. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
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Magic looooooves his chosen players. That kinda joy and pride cannot be faked. When we talk about the young core... they are a collection of Magic’s eye for talent and what he expects in terms of character and drive. The young core are the face of the franchise. _________________ DEAR BASKETBALL |
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SocalDevin Star Player
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I see.. well I said I'd bet on it in regards to them being better versions of what they were last season. Didn't say it was a sure thing, but I see no reason to even question it considering how Kuz and Ingram showed nothing but growth as the season progressed. For that progression to come to a halt seems highly unlikely. So unlikely that I don't believe it's worthy of a discussion.
I wasn't offended there was no personal shots exchanged, just a difference of opinions. |
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SocalDevin wrote: | I see.. well I said I'd bet on it in regards to them being better versions of what they were last season. Didn't say it was a sure thing, but I see no reason to even question it considering how Kuz and Ingram showed nothing but growth as the season progressed. For that progression to come to a halt seems highly unlikely. So unlikely that I don't believe it's worthy of a discussion.
I wasn't offended there was no personal shots exchanged, just a difference of opinions. |
Growth = better stats?
If so, I wouldn't bet on it. |
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BigGameHames Star Player
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kawhileonard wrote: | SocalDevin wrote: | I see.. well I said I'd bet on it in regards to them being better versions of what they were last season. Didn't say it was a sure thing, but I see no reason to even question it considering how Kuz and Ingram showed nothing but growth as the season progressed. For that progression to come to a halt seems highly unlikely. So unlikely that I don't believe it's worthy of a discussion.
I wasn't offended there was no personal shots exchanged, just a difference of opinions. |
Growth = better stats?
If so, I wouldn't bet on it. |
Not necessarily. |
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If I'm wrong I'm wrong.. but our youth will be playing with someone for the first time that generates a great deal of gravity. Not only does he generate a great deal of gravity, he has excellent court vision, he will find them for easy opportunities.
Couple that with whatever improvements they've made to their games in the off season.
Absolutely yes.. we will see growth and better stats. |
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1ngr4m wrote: | 24Legend007 wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | SocalDevin wrote: | Dumhead wrote: | Judah wrote: | matrixskillz wrote: | The pressure is on BI to prove he can be a franchise player. In his third season, KD averaged 30/8/3 and played all 82 games. I'd like to see BI average 20+ with the open looks he'll get as well as become a lock down defender. |
Just stop, man. There is no pressure on him to prove he's a franchise player at all. The Lakers have their franchise player already. And stop trying to set him up for failure by posting those Durant numbers. He’s not an elite scorer like Durant was and probably never will be. That doesn't mean he’s some failure that you have to get rid of. You're being ridiculous. |
The pressure is on him to prove he is a solid #2 or an excellent #3... which he might already be. |
I don't think there's any pressure on him at all.. He showed growth last season, I'm sure they're expecting him to show growth this season as well. No one's coming out saying he needs to prove he's a franchise player, no one is saying he needs to be the number 2 guy.. |
There’s pressure on all the young core to improve. BI especially IMO, considering he’s not the current FOs guy and he didn’t meet the (unrealistic) expectations placed on him last year. Magic gave these guys one more season to prove what they have. If this season doesn’t go well, I would guess the young guys start getting shipped out. I expect this season to go well though. |
Everything points to Ingram being Magic's favorite, "not the current FO's guy" doesn't mean (bleep) |
Believe what you want but stop following me around in this thread like a lap dog. |
I'll post in this thread when I want and reply to who I want.
Not my fault you always get proven wrong and make yourself look foolish in this thread. |
Then make it worthwhile and I’ll give you a treat. |
The treat is seeing you look like an idiot every time you make a post in this thread. |
I’m not sure what I did to make you hate me but this is kinda pathetic. Move on or say something worth responding to/discussing/debating and stop acting like an infant. |
Which is clearly what I was doing saying that Ingram not being drafted by Magic isn't relavent because it's pretty clear that BI is his favorite.
But you went on with the "lapdog comment" and then acted like I was trying to bait you, pretty pathetic. You post on a public forum, people reply with their opinions/perspective which is what I was doing. Not sure if you know but that's kind of how this works. |
Ingram is one of my faves, but I don't see Magic stepping over himself for BI, like I see him doing for Lonzo, Kuzma, Hart, and even Moe. |
Can you give an example over "magic stepping over himself for the other four guys? Because Ingram has gotten more praise out of Johnson's mouth compared to anyone on the roster other then the first weekend of Lonzo Ball getting drafted.
In addition to that, at the start of the season when "no Laker is untouchable" news was leaking several analysts mentioned that Ingram is part of that "even though he is Magic's personal favorite".
I don't see how we have any context to help prove that Ingram is more likely to be traded due to him being drafted by the OLD FO. |
That's because there is none. They've been imposing that assumption onto the FO for over a year with absolutely no evidence to support it. That's why I keep beating the drum: if not being drafted by them means anything, then why didn't they trade him last year for George? That was all it would've taken to get that deal done last year. And yet, they were more content to gamble and wait it out a year instead of surrendering BI. And now here we are another year later. They just saw their gamble of keeping BI not pay off with George choosing to stay in OKC, yet they were willing to do it all over again, this time with Kawhi. How does this make any sense whatsoever if not being the ones who drafted BI means anything? This isn't complicated. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
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Judah wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | 24Legend007 wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | 1ngr4m wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | SocalDevin wrote: | Dumhead wrote: | Judah wrote: | matrixskillz wrote: | The pressure is on BI to prove he can be a franchise player. In his third season, KD averaged 30/8/3 and played all 82 games. I'd like to see BI average 20+ with the open looks he'll get as well as become a lock down defender. |
Just stop, man. There is no pressure on him to prove he's a franchise player at all. The Lakers have their franchise player already. And stop trying to set him up for failure by posting those Durant numbers. He’s not an elite scorer like Durant was and probably never will be. That doesn't mean he’s some failure that you have to get rid of. You're being ridiculous. |
The pressure is on him to prove he is a solid #2 or an excellent #3... which he might already be. |
I don't think there's any pressure on him at all.. He showed growth last season, I'm sure they're expecting him to show growth this season as well. No one's coming out saying he needs to prove he's a franchise player, no one is saying he needs to be the number 2 guy.. |
There’s pressure on all the young core to improve. BI especially IMO, considering he’s not the current FOs guy and he didn’t meet the (unrealistic) expectations placed on him last year. Magic gave these guys one more season to prove what they have. If this season doesn’t go well, I would guess the young guys start getting shipped out. I expect this season to go well though. |
Everything points to Ingram being Magic's favorite, "not the current FO's guy" doesn't mean (bleep) |
Believe what you want but stop following me around in this thread like a lap dog. |
I'll post in this thread when I want and reply to who I want.
Not my fault you always get proven wrong and make yourself look foolish in this thread. |
Then make it worthwhile and I’ll give you a treat. |
The treat is seeing you look like an idiot every time you make a post in this thread. |
I’m not sure what I did to make you hate me but this is kinda pathetic. Move on or say something worth responding to/discussing/debating and stop acting like an infant. |
Which is clearly what I was doing saying that Ingram not being drafted by Magic isn't relavent because it's pretty clear that BI is his favorite.
But you went on with the "lapdog comment" and then acted like I was trying to bait you, pretty pathetic. You post on a public forum, people reply with their opinions/perspective which is what I was doing. Not sure if you know but that's kind of how this works. |
Ingram is one of my faves, but I don't see Magic stepping over himself for BI, like I see him doing for Lonzo, Kuzma, Hart, and even Moe. |
Can you give an example over "magic stepping over himself for the other four guys? Because Ingram has gotten more praise out of Johnson's mouth compared to anyone on the roster other then the first weekend of Lonzo Ball getting drafted.
In addition to that, at the start of the season when "no Laker is untouchable" news was leaking several analysts mentioned that Ingram is part of that "even though he is Magic's personal favorite".
I don't see how we have any context to help prove that Ingram is more likely to be traded due to him being drafted by the OLD FO. |
That's because there is none. They've been imposing that assumption onto the FO for over a year with absolutely no evidence to support it. That's why I keep beating the drum: if not being drafted by them means anything, then why didn't they trade him last year for George? That was all it would've taken to get that deal done last year. And yet, they were more content to gamble and wait it out a year rather than surrendering BI. And now here we are another year later. They just saw their gamble of keeping BI not pay off, yet they were willing to do it all over again, this time with Kawhi. How does this make any sense whatsoever if not being the ones who drafted BI means anything? This isn't complicated. |
exactly.
Then you add in the fact that since Magic Johnson has taken over every single player on the roster is gone outside of Brandon Ingram, Ivica Zubac and Loul Deng. Everyone on the roster is "Magic's guy". He's gotten rid of everyone else outside of Deng cause no one wants him. _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe |
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That's because there is none. They've been imposing that assumption onto the FO for over a year with absolutely no evidence to support it. That's why I keep beating the drum: if not being drafted by them means anything, then why didn't they trade him last year for George? That was all it would've taken to get that deal done last year. And yet, they were more content to gamble and wait it out a year rather than surrendering BI. And now here we are another year later. They just saw their gamble of keeping BI not pay off, yet they were willing to do it all over again, this time with Kawhi. How does this make any sense whatsoever if not being the ones who drafted BI means anything? This isn't complicated. |
I think they were confident they had a great chance to get PG in FA and I think they are still confident in that with Kawhi. I think that getting LeBron made them unwilling to trade any of the young core(at least BI, Kuz, Ball) not just BI. He failed to meet Magic’s own expectations for him last year and is the only one of the bunch not drafted by Magic. Not saying they don’t like him, just disagreeing about him being the favorite.
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LakerSanity wrote: | CUT THE QUOTE TREES... thank you. |
I was just going to say you guys should make a quote limit. |
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kawhileonard wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | CUT THE QUOTE TREES... thank you. |
I was just going to say you guys should make a quote limit. |
My bad |
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[quote="BigGameHames"] Judah wrote: | Quote: |
That's because there is none. They've been imposing that assumption onto the FO for over a year with absolutely no evidence to support it. That's why I keep beating the drum: if not being drafted by them means anything, then why didn't they trade him last year for George? That was all it would've taken to get that deal done last year. And yet, they were more content to gamble and wait it out a year rather than surrendering BI. And now here we are another year later. They just saw their gamble of keeping BI not pay off, yet they were willing to do it all over again, this time with Kawhi. How does this make any sense whatsoever if not being the ones who drafted BI means anything? This isn't complicated. |
I think they were confident they had a great chance to get PG in FA and I think they are still confident in that with Kawhi. I think that getting LeBron made them unwilling to trade any of the young core(at least BI, Kuz, Ball) not just BI. He failed to meet Magic’s own expectations for him last year and is the only one of the bunch not drafted by Magic. Not saying they don’t like him, just disagreeing about him being the favorite. |
”Failed to meet Magic's expectations”?
Not only is that a poor choice of words, it isn't even accurate of what actually happened. Magic gave him the goal of averaging 20 ppg last season, yes, but that goal was scrapped very early because Luke stepped in, which wasn't at all surprising to me. Luke knew that just labeling him a scorer wasn't the right way to develop him, so they readjusted his role and told him to forget about averaging 20 and just go out there and play. And that's what he did. And we saw the best version of him when he was simply being a an all-around playmaker instead of just a scorer.
To phrase it as him ”failing to meet Magic’s expectations” is just reckless. You're making it sound like Magic told him, ’Average 20 ppg next year, or you're outta here, buddy.” My impression of that goal was always just that- a goal. Magic was just trying to get the best out of him by helping him think big. If Magic is really looking at his season the way you are (i.e. failure in reaching his expectations) then wouldn't that have been all the more reason to trade him for Kawhi? _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
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kawhileonard wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | CUT THE QUOTE TREES... thank you. |
I was just going to say you guys should make a quote limit. |
OT but I wish there was a way to “quote” just a specific post, and not its replies. Hard to cut quote trees in mobile, at least for me. |
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yeah loved watching this...
Rob looks like a little fan boy though lol |
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