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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:36 pm    Post subject:

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Keefe wasn't a legit shooting coach, Magic Johnson specifically said that Luke opted to not have a shooting coach last season and this off season he'd make sure they work with a shooting coach.


Micah Lancaster isn't a shooting coach either, he's a skills trainer.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:43 pm    Post subject:

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Here's my bold prediction for Ingram:

He will be our clear second option and have a statline of: 20/5/5 on 48/37/72 in about 33 minutes per game.


Sounds about right
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:00 pm    Post subject:

Luminous8 wrote:
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"Kawhi produced at a solid rate on these possessions when he got the opportunity - a significantly higher rate than Ingram did - but had a demonstrably different role."

Those numbers tell you what he would have produced playing the same role as Ingram, with the same personnel?

Those numbers tell you what Ingram would produce under the same conditions as KL?

Would it be safe to say that Ingram's data would look a lot different if he wasn't pressured to fill a role he wasn't ready for?

How might KL's data look if he were asked to play point at that age for extended minutes?

If we're going to be nuanced shouldn't we also consider circumstances and conditions?

And since we can't replicate the same conditions under which a particular result is given aren't we operating on assumption?

You proved KL played well under the conditions he operated in. Not Brandon's.

You didn't prove any of those players mentioned would be just as effective given the same role and opportunity at the same age. There is no way to know.

Which is why I wouldn't dismiss Ingram's per 36 with "oh they would have done it too".


My thoughts exactly. But you forget the biggest factor here Devin "Brandon's just not very good at basketball"


Knock it off.


Is that not a factual statement made?


Not really, on two fronts:

The context of when and how it was made (Ingram was indeed playing pretty awful basketball), and the fact that youíre not adding it to put some useful fact into the discussion, but rather to try and yank a chain. Unfortunately, Iím now on the other end of that chain, and my bite is worse than your bark, so I suggest just moving on.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:13 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
Keefe wasn't a legit shooting coach, Magic Johnson specifically said that Luke opted to not have a shooting coach last season and this off season he'd make sure they work with a shooting coach.


Micah Lancaster isn't a shooting coach either, he's a skills trainer.


Are the Lakers still bringing in a shooting coach?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:26 pm    Post subject:

oldschool32 wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
Keefe wasn't a legit shooting coach, Magic Johnson specifically said that Luke opted to not have a shooting coach last season and this off season he'd make sure they work with a shooting coach.


Micah Lancaster isn't a shooting coach either, he's a skills trainer.


Are the Lakers still bringing in a shooting coach?


I haven't heard anything on that front. From what I've seen it's the same structure that's been in place, with individual assistant coaches overseeing the development of the players that they're assigned. I haven't been there since mid-June with the draft workouts, but I don't think anything has changed.

Brian Keefe = Brandon Ingram
Miles Simon = Lonzo Ball, Kyle Kuzma, Josh Hart
Jud Buechler = Ivica Zubac, Thomas Bryant (I don't know if they'll replace him)
Jesse Mermuys = Julius Randle

I feel like Madsen was assigned someone, but I can't remember who it was.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:56 pm    Post subject:

Its funny, this offseason the pro-Ingram posters have gotten much more militant. I like BI too, but jeez, any criticism of him is like peeing on the Kobe statue by the reaction you get.

I like him, some think he will become the Robin to Lebron's Batman, we'll see. Can he adapt to playing with Lebron, can he improve on open perimeter shooting enough to be a 18-22 point scorer? If he does that, then he can be the play the Pippin.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:00 pm    Post subject:

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Its funny, this offseason the pro-Ingram posters have gotten much more militant. I like BI too, but jeez, any criticism of him is like peeing on the Kobe statue by the reaction you get.

I like him, some think he will become the Robin to Lebron's Batman, we'll see. Can he adapt to playing with Lebron, can he improve on open perimeter shooting enough to be a 18-22 point scorer? If he does that, then he can be the play the Pippin.


This is a lie.. or maybe just an attempt to bait someone who is supposedly "pro-Ingram".
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:02 pm    Post subject:

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Brandon Ingram:

Perimeter Shooting: B
Slashing & BH: C+
Playmaking: C+
Post Play: D

Perimeter Defense: C+
Interior Defense: D+

Rebounding: B-

Overall Offense: B-
Overall Defense: C+

Still only 20 with tons of potential, raw offensively, look for him to make a leap this year
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:03 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
oldschool32 wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
Keefe wasn't a legit shooting coach, Magic Johnson specifically said that Luke opted to not have a shooting coach last season and this off season he'd make sure they work with a shooting coach.


Micah Lancaster isn't a shooting coach either, he's a skills trainer.


Are the Lakers still bringing in a shooting coach?


I haven't heard anything on that front. From what I've seen it's the same structure that's been in place, with individual assistant coaches overseeing the development of the players that they're assigned. I haven't been there since mid-June with the draft workouts, but I don't think anything has changed.

Brian Keefe = Brandon Ingram
Miles Simon = Lonzo Ball, Kyle Kuzma, Josh Hart
Jud Buechler = Ivica Zubac, Thomas Bryant (I don't know if they'll replace him)
Jesse Mermuys = Julius Randle

I feel like Madsen was assigned someone, but I can't remember who it was.


Interesting. DO Ball, KUz, and Hart train together? What is the reasoning behind BI training solo? Was it just a seniority thing?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:23 pm    Post subject:

Practice wrote:
BBall Index


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Brandon Ingram:

Perimeter Shooting: B
Slashing & BH: C+
Playmaking: C+
Post Play: D

Perimeter Defense: C+
Interior Defense: D+

Rebounding: B-

Overall Offense: B-
Overall Defense: C+

Still only 20 with tons of potential, raw offensively, look for him to make a leap this year


I think their grades are a little off. My ten cent evaluation (in parens):

Perimeter Shooting: B (C+)
Slashing & BH: C+ (A-)
Playmaking: C+ (B)
Post Play: D (D)

Perimeter Defense: C+ (C+)
Interior Defense: D+ (C)

Rebounding: B- (B)

Overall Offense: B- (B)
Overall Defense: C+ (C+)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:26 pm    Post subject:

mookielala wrote:
Interesting. DO Ball, KUz, and Hart train together? What is the reasoning behind BI training solo? Was it just a seniority thing?


I'm just speculating here, but I think they just matched the new coach (Simon) with the rookies (Ball, Kuz, Hart). Thomas Bryant spent much more of his season in the G-League and I think they approach bigs a little differently, so he got matched up with Buechler. Keefe & Ingram had already been working together from the previous year and had made good progress, so there was no need to change that.

From what I've seen everyone gets individual work in, meaning that it's not against one of their teammates, whether it's at the practice facility or before a game. For example, media can get to Staples Center starting at 5:00pm for a 7:30pm game, so I'd always get there at that time, and the schedule was something like:

5:00pm - Kyle Kuzma w/Miles Simon
5:20pm - Ivica Zubac w/Jud Buechler
5:40pm - Lonzo Ball w/Miles Simon (note: this was interesting to me because Luke's media availability is at 5:45pm & I wondered if they wanted less media watching Lonzo so they put him at this time)
6:00pm - Tyler Ennis w/Miles Simon
6:20pm - Julius Randle w/Jesse Mermuys

I don't remember who was after that and I don't know who went and at what time before I got there, but the point is that they were getting individual work in with coaches, and then they have assistants who help out but aren't on the coaching staff. For example, this guy is one of my favorite people in the organization. He's about 6'9" or so, so he bangs with bigs when they're working on their post game or if they're working on Lonzo's finishing around the rim, he's the guy who rotates over to contest his shot. Really nice guy and they just brought him on full-time this year, I'm so happy for him. There are usually a couple of other people grabbing rebounds who are simialr to him.

That ended up being way more detail than you asked for, but I hope that's interesting nonetheless.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:27 pm    Post subject:

Dr. Laker wrote:
Practice wrote:
BBall Index


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Brandon Ingram:

Perimeter Shooting: B
Slashing & BH: C+
Playmaking: C+
Post Play: D

Perimeter Defense: C+
Interior Defense: D+

Rebounding: B-

Overall Offense: B-
Overall Defense: C+

Still only 20 with tons of potential, raw offensively, look for him to make a leap this year


I think their grades are a little off. My ten cent evaluation (in parens):

Perimeter Shooting: B (C+)
Slashing & BH: C+ (A-)
Playmaking: C+ (B)
Post Play: D (D)

Perimeter Defense: C+ (C+)
Interior Defense: D+ (C)

Rebounding: B- (B)

Overall Offense: B- (B)
Overall Defense: C+ (C+)


I was thinking more along these lines as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:29 pm    Post subject:

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1ngr4m wrote:
Here's my bold prediction for Ingram:

He will be our clear second option and have a statline of: 20/5/5 on 48/37/72 in about 33 minutes per game.


Sounds about right


Maybe over a particular portion of the season. But no way he will average that for the season.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:33 pm    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
Here's my bold prediction for Ingram:

He will be our clear second option and have a statline of: 20/5/5 on 48/37/72 in about 33 minutes per game.


Sounds about right


Maybe over a particular portion of the season. But no way he will average that for the season.


why is there "no way". This would be statistically less improvements then his first to second season
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:39 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
mookielala wrote:
Interesting. DO Ball, KUz, and Hart train together? What is the reasoning behind BI training solo? Was it just a seniority thing?


I'm just speculating here, but I think they just matched the new coach (Simon) with the rookies (Ball, Kuz, Hart). Thomas Bryant spent much more of his season in the G-League and I think they approach bigs a little differently, so he got matched up with Buechler. Keefe & Ingram had already been working together from the previous year and had made good progress, so there was no need to change that.

From what I've seen everyone gets individual work in, meaning that it's not against one of their teammates, whether it's at the practice facility or before a game. For example, media can get to Staples Center starting at 5:00pm for a 7:30pm game, so I'd always get there at that time, and the schedule was something like:

5:00pm - Kyle Kuzma w/Miles Simon
5:20pm - Ivica Zubac w/Jud Buechler
5:40pm - Lonzo Ball w/Miles Simon (note: this was interesting to me because Luke's media availability is at 5:45pm & I wondered if they wanted less media watching Lonzo so they put him at this time)
6:00pm - Tyler Ennis w/Miles Simon
6:20pm - Julius Randle w/Jesse Mermuys

I don't remember who was after that and I don't know who went and at what time before I got there, but the point is that they were getting individual work in with coaches, and then they have assistants who help out but aren't on the coaching staff. For example, this guy is one of my favorite people in the organization. He's about 6'9" or so, so he bangs with bigs when they're working on their post game or if they're working on Lonzo's finishing around the rim, he's the guy who rotates over to contest his shot. Really nice guy and they just brought him on full-time this year, I'm so happy for him. There are usually a couple of other people grabbing rebounds who are simialr to him.

That ended up being way more detail than you asked for, but I hope that's interesting nonetheless.


Very interesting. Thanks, as always, for the good info!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:54 pm    Post subject:

Was hoping he would workout with Drew Hanlen this summer. Lancaster is good tho
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:48 pm    Post subject:

1ngr4m wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
Here's my bold prediction for Ingram:

He will be our clear second option and have a statline of: 20/5/5 on 48/37/72 in about 33 minutes per game.


Sounds about right


Maybe over a particular portion of the season. But no way he will average that for the season.


why is there "no way". This would be statistically less improvements then his first to second season


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:52 pm    Post subject:

I donít see him getting much playing time unless he can get down to 8% body fat

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:53 pm    Post subject:

I think 20ppg is realistic.

He couldíve averaged that this year if he made his damn free throws.

With the easy buckets heíll be getting off Lebron mixed in with the possessions heíll get to create his own shot.

20 is pretty reasonable
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:59 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
Here's my bold prediction for Ingram:

He will be our clear second option and have a statline of: 20/5/5 on 48/37/72 in about 33 minutes per game.


Sounds about right


Maybe over a particular portion of the season. But no way he will average that for the season.


why is there "no way". This would be statistically less improvements then his first to second season


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Lebron has always had a second option that put up points, DWADE/KYRIE. If Ingram can be the second guy (which I think he can), then why can't he average 20?

Not saying he's currently as good as Kyrie/Wade but they averaged well above 20 too (Kyrie: 22,20,25) and (Wade: 26,22, 21, 19).

Lebron is also older then he was now, wants to play off ball a bit more and not be the only creator. I think one of Kuzma or Ingram is going to be above 18 and I'd put my money on BI being the second option.

Maybe it doesn't happen but it's not a "no way", certainly a possibility that our second option gets around 20.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:00 pm    Post subject:

I think 20ppg is realistic.

He couldíve averaged that this year if he made his damn free throws.

With the easy buckets heíll be getting off Lebron mixed in with the possessions heíll get to create his own shot.

20 is pretty reasonable
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I just noticed the disclaimer statement on the bottom of the page is out of date.

By eight years.


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I just noticed the disclaimer statement on the bottom of the page is out of date.

By eight years.



lol click on the Salaries link under LAKERSGROUND.COM , it's a throwback to the Kobe/Gasol Lakers
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:09 pm    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
Here's my bold prediction for Ingram:

He will be our clear second option and have a statline of: 20/5/5 on 48/37/72 in about 33 minutes per game.


Sounds about right


Maybe over a particular portion of the season. But no way he will average that for the season.


Itís possible, it really depends if he wants to assert himself or try to let LeBron get his.
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1ngr4m wrote:
sirronstuff wrote:
I just noticed the disclaimer statement on the bottom of the page is out of date.

By eight years.



lol click on the Salaries link under LAKERSGROUND.COM , it's a throwback to the Kobe/Gasol Lakers


Iím surprised. Isnít LG supposed to be the biggest Laker related forum? Youíd think updates would be easy to get volunteers for.

I end up at Lakersball mostly. The updated Club Lakers site basically. Super like the format, but nice to see other views once in awhile too.
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