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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:02 pm Post subject:
epak wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
Yea.. um. A starting line up long term that doesn't feature your best players doesn't make any sense to me. I was only saying he should earn the starting spot back, which I would fully expect.
Ingram won't be coming off the bench this season, or be relegated to a sixth man role lol..
You're probably right.
That being said, was Harrison Barnes better than Iggy in 2016? It's not always about the "best" player starting imo. I actually dont care if it's BI or Kuz. Just hit your jumper whoever it is.
I get what you're saying, and If Kuz was a significantly better shooter while Ingram was the overall better player a case could be made for starting the better shooter.
He goes long periods of times of not touching the ball.
On Saturday he went a quarter and a half between shot attempts.
Luke needs to run more plays for him And less post ups for Javale.
Also his minutes should be staggered with Lebrons. One of them should be on the court at most times.
Luke has just done a poor job managing rotations.
Thats a good point in BI’s new role and lowered usage
Also in fairness to Luke, he is working with a new roster with many different variables to it
I would say this team is not real easy to manage , in terms of how 1 change of player to rotation or unit can cause benefits as well as equal negatives/risks
I agree. And last year did find his groove rotation wise as the year went on.
I’m just afraid by the time he does the same this year we will have dug ourselves a deep hole.
Don’t want Lebron to have to go Dwight Howard year Kobe just for us to squeak into the playoffs
Joined: 26 May 2016 Posts: 7825 Location: Long Beach
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:06 pm Post subject:
PlantedTanks wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
When he's off suspension I don't believe he should be given the starting position. That's assuming Kuz is a competent defender.
He should be made to earn it, which should motivate him to shoot better.
In addition Luke will have more time to implement more offense. Running plays that feature Ingram waiting in the corner doesn't make much sense to me. Nor does sitting him for extremely long stretches.
I don't understand. Would it be different if he was injured?
Will being motivated make him shoot better?
If you know that your court time will be limited if you aren't shooting well yes..
It's part of the reason why he hardly got any playing time in the fourth for their first game.
So yes, it would motivate him to do whatever leads to more efficiency from the perimeter. So if that means more reps or refinement during practice that's what he'll do.
Maybe but that's not knowing how much reps he is already putting in.
He was playing okay in the first 2 games and I am the last person to ask an opinion about defense but from those I trust on this board he appears to be playing quite well in this area.
2 games and willing to switch him out for Kuz who hasn't exactly been shooting well from any distance, plays poor defense and whose stats are a step down from BI.
So still just don't see it.
I don't disagree with anything you've said.. I'm only saying it would serve as added motivation for Ingram.
I’ve said it over and over,... Luke is no longer coaching this team. This is LBJ’s team just like every other one he’s played on. We sold our soul going out and getting LBJ. Now we will reap the benefits and deal with the imperfections (him not giving it his all and playing atrocious D).
I’ve said it over and over,... Luke is no longer coaching this team. This is LBJ’s team just like every other one he’s played on. We sold our soul going out and getting LBJ. Now we will reap the benefits and deal with the imperfections (him not giving it his all and playing atrocious D).
Which is it guys?
Blame Luke? Or blame Lebron?
Which one should I blame in the BI thread?
I’ve said it over and over,... Luke is no longer coaching this team. This is LBJ’s team just like every other one he’s played on. We sold our soul going out and getting LBJ. Now we will reap the benefits and deal with the imperfections (him not giving it his all and playing atrocious D).
Which is it guys?
Blame Luke? Or blame Lebron?
Which one should I blame in the BI thread?
Each LG poster is different. I personally blame Bonga for everything that goes wrong. _________________ Under New Management
Joined: 26 May 2016 Posts: 7825 Location: Long Beach
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:03 pm Post subject:
I don't believe Bron is dictating offensive schemes, though they are being tailored for him I would assume.
I don't find fault with him for anything. I would expect him to be more assertive in the 4th though. I suppose it will come. I will admit, I'm not liking Luke so much.
I’ve said it over and over,... Luke is no longer coaching this team. This is LBJ’s team just like every other one he’s played on. We sold our soul going out and getting LBJ. Now we will reap the benefits and deal with the imperfections (him not giving it his all and playing atrocious D).
Do you actually have any evidence that LeBron is coaching this team, or no? Or does evidence even matter? _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper
Slim was all pumped up to rock and roll, I like the fire even though the 4 game suspension is unfortunate.
But make no mistake, the Lakers aren't going to be pushed around anymore.
7 games' worth of suspensions when the team is 0-2...hopefully the price is worth it.
you mean 4 games? they are being suspended at the same time
7 total games being lost by 2 players. 4 + 3.
Dude, what?
It's not like they take turns, their suspensions run together.
No, you're losing 7 games worth of total production.
4 of BI games
3 of Rondo games.
Not sure what's so difficult to understand. I didn't say 7 games of both them, but 7 games total.
How can you lose 7 games of total production when the longest suspension is 4 games? Total means all together, BI and Rondo won’t be together on the court for 4 games. Thus you’re losing 4 games of total production. What you’re saying isn’t making sense.
4+3=7 it’s not hard to understand. Lakers players are missing 7 games in total. Now let’s move on.
You don't understand either.
So let's say Ingram got suspended 50 games and Rondo got suspended 40 games, that means they got suspended all together 90 games when the season is 82 games?
Geez....
Let me give you a simple example...
If you and your brother got suspended 1 day each, that means you guys got suspended 2 days total because 1+1 = 2 even though it's only 1 day?
Some of you guys can't be serious bro.
Yes, I think using the analogy of you and your brother helped me to understand better whereas Ingram and Rondo was harder to understand for me.
When you analyze the impact of missed games by players it is normally stated as the total amount of games missed of all players added together.
It is never stated player A missed 10, B 11, C 12 but A & B missed 5 together, B and C missed 8 together while A, B and C missed 2 together. It is stated as 33 games total to see the totality of how normally injuries has affected a team that season. In this case it is suspensions.
yinoma2001 and BGH is correct.
Now lets move on.
Just for fun, he didnt say 7 games impact.
He said "7 games' worth of suspensions."
I agree with Toby.
Semantics.
So when it is stated the team suffered 120 games worth of injuries does it matter if some players are simultaneously injured?
How then can it be stated over 82 games since that would be impossible under your scenario?
Must be semantics, but when I see "let's move on" I don't expect the debate to continue.
I’ve said it over and over,... Luke is no longer coaching this team. This is LBJ’s team just like every other one he’s played on. We sold our soul going out and getting LBJ. Now we will reap the benefits and deal with the imperfections (him not giving it his all and playing atrocious D).
Which is it guys?
Blame Luke? Or blame Lebron?
Which one should I blame in the BI thread?
Each LG poster is different. I personally blame Bonga for everything that goes wrong.
Bonga is the saving grace of this team, you ingrate. _________________ DEAR BASKETBALL
Slim was all pumped up to rock and roll, I like the fire even though the 4 game suspension is unfortunate.
But make no mistake, the Lakers aren't going to be pushed around anymore.
7 games' worth of suspensions when the team is 0-2...hopefully the price is worth it.
you mean 4 games? they are being suspended at the same time
7 total games being lost by 2 players. 4 + 3.
Dude, what?
It's not like they take turns, their suspensions run together.
No, you're losing 7 games worth of total production.
4 of BI games
3 of Rondo games.
Not sure what's so difficult to understand. I didn't say 7 games of both them, but 7 games total.
How can you lose 7 games of total production when the longest suspension is 4 games? Total means all together, BI and Rondo won’t be together on the court for 4 games. Thus you’re losing 4 games of total production. What you’re saying isn’t making sense.
4+3=7 it’s not hard to understand. Lakers players are missing 7 games in total. Now let’s move on.
You don't understand either.
So let's say Ingram got suspended 50 games and Rondo got suspended 40 games, that means they got suspended all together 90 games when the season is 82 games?
Geez....
Let me give you a simple example...
If you and your brother got suspended 1 day each, that means you guys got suspended 2 days total because 1+1 = 2 even though it's only 1 day?
Some of you guys can't be serious bro.
Yes, I think using the analogy of you and your brother helped me to understand better whereas Ingram and Rondo was harder to understand for me.
When you analyze the impact of missed games by players it is normally stated as the total amount of games missed of all players added together.
It is never stated player A missed 10, B 11, C 12 but A & B missed 5 together, B and C missed 8 together while A, B and C missed 2 together. It is stated as 33 games total to see the totality of how normally injuries has affected a team that season. In this case it is suspensions.
yinoma2001 and BGH is correct.
Now lets move on.
Just for fun, he didnt say 7 games impact.
He said "7 games' worth of suspensions."
I agree with Toby.
Semantics.
So when it is stated the team suffered 120 games worth of injuries does it matter if some players are simultaneously injured?
How then can it be stated over 82 games since that would be impossible under your scenario?
Must be semantics, but when I see "let's move on" I don't expect the debate to continue.
Nothing wrong with continuing if there is an opinion to be expressed.
Obviously you felt the need to respond.
Being hypocritical? Hmmm
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Slim was all pumped up to rock and roll, I like the fire even though the 4 game suspension is unfortunate.
But make no mistake, the Lakers aren't going to be pushed around anymore.
7 games' worth of suspensions when the team is 0-2...hopefully the price is worth it.
you mean 4 games? they are being suspended at the same time
7 total games being lost by 2 players. 4 + 3.
Dude, what?
It's not like they take turns, their suspensions run together.
No, you're losing 7 games worth of total production.
4 of BI games
3 of Rondo games.
Not sure what's so difficult to understand. I didn't say 7 games of both them, but 7 games total.
How can you lose 7 games of total production when the longest suspension is 4 games? Total means all together, BI and Rondo won’t be together on the court for 4 games. Thus you’re losing 4 games of total production. What you’re saying isn’t making sense.
4+3=7 it’s not hard to understand. Lakers players are missing 7 games in total. Now let’s move on.
You don't understand either.
So let's say Ingram got suspended 50 games and Rondo got suspended 40 games, that means they got suspended all together 90 games when the season is 82 games?
Geez....
Let me give you a simple example...
If you and your brother got suspended 1 day each, that means you guys got suspended 2 days total because 1+1 = 2 even though it's only 1 day?
Some of you guys can't be serious bro.
Yes, I think using the analogy of you and your brother helped me to understand better whereas Ingram and Rondo was harder to understand for me.
When you analyze the impact of missed games by players it is normally stated as the total amount of games missed of all players added together.
It is never stated player A missed 10, B 11, C 12 but A & B missed 5 together, B and C missed 8 together while A, B and C missed 2 together. It is stated as 33 games total to see the totality of how normally injuries has affected a team that season. In this case it is suspensions.
yinoma2001 and BGH is correct.
Now lets move on.
Just for fun, he didnt say 7 games impact.
He said "7 games' worth of suspensions."
I agree with Toby.
Semantics.
So when it is stated the team suffered 120 games worth of injuries does it matter if some players are simultaneously injured?
How then can it be stated over 82 games since that would be impossible under your scenario?
Must be semantics, but when I see "let's move on" I don't expect the debate to continue.
Being hypocritical? Hmmm
I never said "let's move on." By all means, make your point. It was just funny how you said "let's move on" then kept on going on about it. But yeah, if you're not ready to move on, don't mind me. I enjoy reading it.
I’ve said it over and over,... Luke is no longer coaching this team. This is LBJ’s team just like every other one he’s played on. We sold our soul going out and getting LBJ. Now we will reap the benefits and deal with the imperfections (him not giving it his all and playing atrocious D).
Which is it guys?
Blame Luke? Or blame Lebron?
Which one should I blame in the BI thread?
Each LG poster is different. I personally blame Bonga for everything that goes wrong.
Bonga is the saving grace of this team, you ingrate.
He's brought nothing but doom to this franchise! Doom! _________________ Under New Management
I’ve said it over and over,... Luke is no longer coaching this team. This is LBJ’s team just like every other one he’s played on. We sold our soul going out and getting LBJ. Now we will reap the benefits and deal with the imperfections (him not giving it his all and playing atrocious D).
Which is it guys?
Blame Luke? Or blame Lebron?
Which one should I blame in the BI thread?
Each LG poster is different. I personally blame Bonga for everything that goes wrong.
Bonga is the saving grace of this team, you ingrate.
He's brought nothing but doom to this franchise! Doom!
I'm really excited for Victor Von Doom to join the MCU. It's going to be epic!
I’ve said it over and over,... Luke is no longer coaching this team. This is LBJ’s team just like every other one he’s played on. We sold our soul going out and getting LBJ. Now we will reap the benefits and deal with the imperfections (him not giving it his all and playing atrocious D).
Which is it guys?
Blame Luke? Or blame Lebron?
Which one should I blame in the BI thread?
Each LG poster is different. I personally blame Bonga for everything that goes wrong.
Bonga is the saving grace of this team, you ingrate.
He's brought nothing but doom to this franchise! Doom!
Yea.. um. A starting line up long term that doesn't feature your best players doesn't make any sense to me. I was only saying he should earn the starting spot back, which I would fully expect.
Ingram won't be coming off the bench this season, or be relegated to a sixth man role lol..
You're probably right.
That being said, was Harrison Barnes better than Iggy in 2016? It's not always about the "best" player starting imo. I actually dont care if it's BI or Kuz. Just hit your jumper whoever it is.
That kinda proves the point.
Harrison Barnes started cause he was 23 and at the time, a huge part of their long term plans. If Iggy was 23 too, he could have been starting over Barnes 100%.
Ingram is starting. Even if you think he doesn't stick on the team long term, they ain't killing his trade value. _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe
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Sometimes Ingram looks like he has been hitting the Bonga!
He looks like that all the time, sometimes he looks like he decided not to hit the bong.
but to be honest, Ingram looks like the type to hit Blunts and woods rather then a bong. _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe
I’ve said it over and over,... Luke is no longer coaching this team. This is LBJ’s team just like every other one he’s played on. We sold our soul going out and getting LBJ. Now we will reap the benefits and deal with the imperfections (him not giving it his all and playing atrocious D).
Which is it guys?
Blame Luke? Or blame Lebron?
Which one should I blame in the BI thread?
Each LG poster is different. I personally blame Bonga for everything that goes wrong.
Bonga is the saving grace of this team, you ingrate.
He's brought nothing but doom to this franchise! Doom!
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