Yup. Every composite stat has a flaw (remember when PER was the all encompassing stat?). But RPM isn't a bad start. I'm not a stats-geek so I defer to guys like GT/Tox but it's a starting point to discuss players' efficacy on the court.
It's not perfect.
And there are issues with MPG that can throw off numbers, and it's trying to compare apples to watermelons at times.
But it's a model used to try to explain value of players.
Again, it's not perfect, and should only be a part of the data you use when evaluating players. Just like other data.
Based on RPM, the front office completely messed up trading Russell and letting Brook Lopez go.
We would be the favorites for a championship with those two.
as much as I was pissed at Lopez last year I do kinda miss him
that said the Chandler signing helps a lot
DLO would fit this team pretty well too
Certainly not getting into the delicate DLO stuff, but would be interesting having this season's DLO as a floor spacing scorer. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Based on RPM, the front office completely messed up trading Russell and letting Brook Lopez go.
We would be the favorites for a championship with those two.
as much as I was pissed at Lopez last year I do kinda miss him
that said the Chandler signing helps a lot
DLO would fit this team pretty well too
Certainly not getting into the delicate DLO stuff, but would be interesting having this season's DLO as a floor spacing scorer.
Russell aside, I actually think the spacing that's missing this year is from the five. Hart and others have done a decent job spacing the floor. It's the big we can't get out of the lane. That was supposed to be remedied by our going small, but James hasn't really been game for that so far and Kuzma and Beasley failed pretty badly in the role. Wagner might help, though you're hurting for boards if he's playing against first or second string Centers. Once they let Brook go, I sort of wondered why they didn't keep Frye as a specialist.
I know Caris is hurt and Ed plays part time... but since RPM is so all powerful, all they need is to plug in Ed, wait til Caris gets well and they will become a dynasty.
(All joking aside, I think they have a good future)
I know Caris is hurt and Ed plays part time... but since RPM is so all powerful, all they need is to plug in Ed, wait til Caris gets well and they will become a dynasty.
(All joking aside, I think they have a good future)
Ed Davis plays the 5 though.
And who is it that said RPM is all powerful? Thats just silly.
Ingram's real plus-minus is currently -3.08. For reference sake, among 83 small forwards, Ingram is ranked 78 of 83. He's ahead of Jonathan Simmons, Kevin Knox, Mario Hezonja, Cedi Osman, and Josh Jackson.
Among SGs, Ingram would rank 94 of 99.
FWIW, Kuzma is ranked as the 87th PF out of 91. He has a score of -2.55. He's ahead of three rookies and Jabari Parker.
That’s really bad . Offensively he has a lot of work to do. His dprm is not matching my eye test though except Ingram has trouble with screens.
Last night was a great example of his issues defensively at the 2. He gets wiped out by even the slightest contact on screens, and then has to scramble and hope his length is enough to get back into the play. To his credit, I think he does try hard.
He get bounced easily but the screens are meant to take him out of the play totally. Our big should anticipate that and just switch. Chandler can read that but Javale just don’t have the IQ.
I know Caris is hurt and Ed plays part time... but since RPM is so all powerful, all they need is to plug in Ed, wait til Caris gets well and they will become a dynasty.
(All joking aside, I think they have a good future)
Ed Davis plays the 5 though.
And who is it that said RPM is all powerful? Thats just silly.
Umm... some of the board warriors who suggested we spring into action once they read the RPM stats this season.
I know Caris is hurt and Ed plays part time... but since RPM is so all powerful, all they need is to plug in Ed, wait til Caris gets well and they will become a dynasty.
(All joking aside, I think they have a good future)
Ed Davis plays the 5 though.
And who is it that said RPM is all powerful? Thats just silly.
Umm... some of the board warriors who suggested we spring into action once they read the RPM stats this season.
And you concluded from that, that must mean they think it is all powerful?
Man at this point this thread is basically: Pick a side and figure out a way to make every stat, every game, every detail, every quote fit your narrative lol _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe
Man at this point this thread is basically: Pick a side and figure out a way to make every stat, every game, every detail, every quote fit your narrative lol
I think most agree Ingram isn't playing well enough this year... especially his shooting, but we simply disagree on the approach.
Some want to get rid of the core and sign a star right away... some want to keep them.
If you think they won't improve... it's probably good to trade them but if they do improve then it's probably better to keep the deeper bench.
All I've done most of this thread is post devil's advocate numbers when someone declares he's not worth keeping.
The fact is that no one really knows unless they are in the gym watching every practice, and comparing with decades of knowledge that front office people hopefully have.
My faith is shaken a little because of the half ass approach they used vetting Lonzo... but I'm still hoping that was an anomaly, not the rule.
But overall, if Magic, LBJ, Rob, Ryan think he and Lonzo are legit, then I trust their judgement. But if they mishandle these two and make the wrong call, then I will start to worry.
He’s taking just under 2 threes a game. That’s unacceptable. The coaching staff needs to do better with him like there should be a few set plays per game to get him an open 3 and if he doesn’t take them he sits.
If he were taking 3 to 4 a game all the mid range shots wouldn’t seem as (bleep) up.
IF you want to maximize Ingram you play him at his natural position, move Kuzma to the bench 4, and have LeBron play starting 4 and move Josh Hart to the starting 2.
The more they force Ingram to play out of position, the more he will underperform. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
IF you want to maximize Ingram you play him at his natural position, move Kuzma to the bench 4, and have LeBron play starting 4 and move Josh Hart to the starting 2.
The more they force Ingram to play out of position, the more he will underperform.
IF you want to maximize Ingram you play him at his natural position, move Kuzma to the bench 4, and have LeBron play starting 4 and move Josh Hart to the starting 2.
The more they force Ingram to play out of position, the more he will underperform.
I, too, would like to see what a lineup of Zo, Hart, B.I., Bron, and McGee can do, as a starting lineup. Another poster stated that the word was, LeBron made it known he prefers not to play at the 4 spot. So, if that's true, that lineup goes out the window. Shame. _________________ ZOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ingram's real plus-minus is currently -3.08. For reference sake, among 83 small forwards, Ingram is ranked 78 of 83. He's ahead of Jonathan Simmons, Kevin Knox, Mario Hezonja, Cedi Osman, and Josh Jackson.
Among SGs, Ingram would rank 94 of 99.
FWIW, Kuzma is ranked as the 87th PF out of 91. He has a score of -2.55. He's ahead of three rookies and Jabari Parker.
That’s really bad . Offensively he has a lot of work to do. His dprm is not matching my eye test though except Ingram has trouble with screens.
Last night was a great example of his issues defensively at the 2. He gets wiped out by even the slightest contact on screens, and then has to scramble and hope his length is enough to get back into the play. To his credit, I think he does try hard.
He's improved defensively, but it's become overstated by his most enthusiastic supporters because it's the most defensible part of his game.
I haven't checked after yesterday's game, but he was in the 39th percentile overall in terms of PPP allowed on defense, and in the 6th (!) percentile at defending guys coming off of screens, where he's flat-out brutal. Here's a small sample.
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