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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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BI - brick City builder, building 1 @ a time |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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LKA wrote: | Hes not a star hes a role player
And thats not just fine when you think about all the lottery selections we’ve whiffed on |
I don't even know if he is a role player. If not soon feed for ISO's what can he do? |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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I really am starting to think LO is a better archetype for him. Unfortunately he doesn’t have anywhere near the weight and rebounding ability. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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VicXLakers Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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it's about the defense... |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I really am starting to think LO is a better archetype for him. Unfortunately he doesn’t have anywhere near the weight and rebounding ability. |
He said he's gonna eat a lot for thanks giving |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I really am starting to think LO is a better archetype for him. Unfortunately he doesn’t have anywhere near the weight and rebounding ability. |
He said he's gonna eat a lot for thanks giving |
Well LO are/smoked a lot of other things
Remember LO was a highly heralded guy who was supposed to be a Magic type player. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I really am starting to think LO is a better archetype for him. Unfortunately he doesn’t have anywhere near the weight and rebounding ability. |
Please don't underrate LO |
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Fracture Star Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I really am starting to think LO is a better archetype for him. Unfortunately he doesn’t have anywhere near the weight and rebounding ability. |
He said he's gonna eat a lot for thanks giving | |
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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LO is way better than BI. |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I really am starting to think LO is a better archetype for him. Unfortunately he doesn’t have anywhere near the weight and rebounding ability. |
Hmm LO? I dunno.
LO would have been content never scoring. And he could rebound. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I really am starting to think LO is a better archetype for him. Unfortunately he doesn’t have anywhere near the weight and rebounding ability. |
Please don't underrate LO |
Jim. Archetype. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Ziggy Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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SocalDevin wrote: | I seriously doubt they care about what anyone on this board has to say.. He still took contested midrange shots.. He doesn't even resort to taking those shots, it's a go to shot for him. It won't change until he receives better coaching. He's encouraged to do exactly what he's doing. |
I've been more disappointed in the coaching staff than any player on the roster. I think the writing is on the wall. When push comes to shove, Magic will give Ingram the benefit of doubt and fire Luke in the offseason. |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I really am starting to think LO is a better archetype for him. Unfortunately he doesn’t have anywhere near the weight and rebounding ability. |
Please don't underrate LO |
Jim. Archetype. |
Understood, but I don't think so. Looking more like Wesley Johnson to me right now. Might change in future |
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PHILosophize Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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JIM! PULL IT TOGETHER! _________________ one dog goes that way the other dog goes the other way |
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PHILosophize Franchise Player
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I agree though wesley johnson seems pretty accurate _________________ one dog goes that way the other dog goes the other way |
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brouk9 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Is Ingram behind the curve in his devlopment? Maybe. But what is the standard we re judging him against? KD? AD? He’s definitely not that. But look at Simmons even, still has a major hole in his game. He’s 21! He’s definitely got to mature physically. On top of that he now has to adjust to playing with the greatest player alive who dominates so much of the ball and the offense. That has been hard for established veterans and all starts in this league and took time. Even Wade and Kyrie struggled early on. Again , he’s 21. There’s so much potential. He’s got the size , feel for the game , raw talent and most importantly he’s a hard worker.
I wish more people would have some perspective and chill the F out.
You can say that the timeline doesn’t work and we should trade him. But to conclude that he’s a bust or to think right now you know what type of player he’s going to be at his best, is simply idiotic.
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matrixskillz Star Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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How many contested mid range jumpers will he take? _________________ We only celebrate championships.
"I GOT WHEATIES!" |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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PHILosophize wrote: | I agree though wesley johnson seems pretty accurate |
I don't think Wes had the skillset BI does. |
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Darth Los Angeles Star Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Never been a big fan...
But I am all the way done with Ingram.
Nothing else to see here.
Time to trade him. _________________ “There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level.” ―Bruce Lee |
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h2omike Star Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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LakerLogic wrote: | LO is way better than BI. |
Comparing BI to Odom is like
Comparing Caruso to Magic. Or Adam Morrison to Worthy. |
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pokoy Moderator
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Forget mid range, how many contested 19 footers is he going to take?? Can someone stop him from that at least?
He has the tools to be really good, it’s just nobody is showing him how to use them correctly. Or at the very least, stop using them incorrectly. |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Again with the hyperbole...
Odom only matched Ingram's shooting last year once in his first five years...
His TS% was 48% in his third year.
I liked Odom but his career shooting percentage was 53.4% and Ingram shot 53.6% at the age of 20.
He was a better rebounder, stronger and better player at this point... but some of you are acting like he was Worthy.
His career average was 14... the same as Ingram's poor performance tonight.
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Ziggy Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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brouk9 wrote: | Is Ingram behind the curve in his devlopment? Maybe. But what is the standard we re judging him against? KD? AD? He’s definitely not that. But look at Simmons even, still has a major hole in his game. He’s 21! He’s definitely got to mature physically. On top of that he now has to adjust to playing with the greatest player alive who dominates so much of the ball and the offense. That has been hard for established veterans and all starts in this league and took time. Even Wade and Kyrie struggled early on. Again , he’s 21. There’s so much potential. He’s got the size , feel for the game , raw talent and most importantly he’s a hard worker.
I wish more people would have some perspective and chill the F out.
You can say that the timeline doesn’t work and we should trade him. But to conclude that he’s a busy or to think right now you know what type of player he’s going to be at his best, is simply idiotic. |
Forget the KD comparison. I just wanted to see him build on what he did in the 2nd half of last season. Was hoping for 18/4/4 with around 4 3PA on at least league average ts%. Almost 20 games in and he hasn't really shown much if any progression from last season. Still afraid to shoot 3s. Still tries to get everything in isolation while dribbling out the shotclock. Still in love with midrange and long 2s. This is bad coaching and player development imo. The coaches are way too laid back. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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pokoy wrote: | Forget mid range, how many contested 19 footers is he going to take?? Can someone stop him from that at least?
He has the tools to be really good, it’s just nobody is showing him how to use them correctly. Or at the very least, stop using them incorrectly. |
Just doesn't get the separation that KD gets.
Why is that? |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | Again with the hyperbole...
Odom only matched Ingram's shooting last year once in his first five years...
His TS% was 48% in his third year.
I liked Odom but his career shooting percentage was 53.4% and Ingram shot 53.6% at the age of 20.
He was a better rebounder, stronger and better player at this point... but some of you are acting like he was Worthy.
His career average was 14... the same as Ingram's poor performance tonight. |
Nah man. When we compare players we aren’t saying they have to be exact facsimiles. But the mindset. I’m not convinced about BI being a premiere go to high volume scorer. I do think he couldn’t be a helluva utility player who can be a jack of many trades like LO. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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