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| CantStopJM wrote: | JoSh HaRt ShOuLd TaKe HiS sPoT
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My take is if Josh Hart (I love Hart) is going to take his spot, then do it when he’s healthy, not when he’s out to injury while going 2-2 basically playing .500 ball since he’s been out.
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| matrixskillz wrote: | | Ingram would have done no better on Harden. |
I agree. I think people expecting Ingram to fix the Lakers' issues defensively are mistaken. He's played in plenty of games where the Lakers had issues defensively on the perimeter.
The Lakers were awful defensively in the first game against Houston. He played in that game. You know, the one where Ingram got himself suspended for 4 games. |
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| CantStopJM wrote: | JoSh HaRt ShOuLd TaKe HiS sPoT
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Josh Hart should be playing the starting 2 over Ingram because the 2 isn't Ingram's position, nor is he maximized there.
It's about whether you value Ingram or Kuzma at the 3 more.
The reality is, even if LeBron 'just had' to play the 3 in his own mind, you would place matchups defensively more so than positional. So even if Ingram was playing the 4 cause LeBron just 'couldn't' LeBron would still be defending the other 4 and Ingram the other 3. If we played the Warriors, LeBron would likely be defending Draymond most of the game and Ingram would be on Durant.
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| matrixskillz wrote: | | Ingram would have done no better on Harden. |
Hart and Kuz couldn't contain DeRoz either where as he didn't look the same against Ingram. Pretty sure Ingram would have done a way better job. Anyways, Harden's flopping won't work to this extent in playoffs if we meet. Hope Ingram will be guarding him then.
| Japago wrote: | | matrixskillz wrote: | | Ingram would have done no better on Harden. |
I agree. I think people expecting Ingram to fix the Lakers' issues defensively are mistaken. He's played in plenty of games where the Lakers had issues defensively on the perimeter.
The Lakers were awful defensively in the first game against Houston. He played in that game. You know, the one where Ingram got himself suspended for 4 games. |
We had so many non-defenders at the start of the season. Back up C was a joke before we got TC. LeBron, Kuz etc have been putting in way more effort in the last month or so. So yea, I believe we will be way better with Ingram who's a good perimeter defender than with Hart who is slow laterally and can't contain himself from fouling on 3 point plays. Not to mention the length difference when facing Ingram as opposed to Hart.
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It's a give and take with BI in the starting lineup.
I think almost everyone agrees his length and defense are positives right now. But offensively, he stalls the system a bit. If he can find a way to move the ball more and find spot up 3 point opportunities it would go a long way.
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| saetarubia wrote: | | matrixskillz wrote: | | Ingram would have done no better on Harden. |
Hart and Kuz couldn't contain DeRoz either where as he didn't look the same against Ingram. Pretty sure Ingram would have done a way better job. Anyways, Harden's flopping won't work to this extent in playoffs if we meet. Hope Ingram will be guarding him then.
| Japago wrote: | | matrixskillz wrote: | | Ingram would have done no better on Harden. |
I agree. I think people expecting Ingram to fix the Lakers' issues defensively are mistaken. He's played in plenty of games where the Lakers had issues defensively on the perimeter.
The Lakers were awful defensively in the first game against Houston. He played in that game. You know, the one where Ingram got himself suspended for 4 games. |
We had so many non-defenders at the start of the season. Back up C was a joke before we got TC. LeBron, Kuz etc have been putting in way more effort in the last month or so. So yea, I believe we will be way better with Ingram who's a good perimeter defender than with Hart who is slow laterally and can't contain himself from fouling on 3 point plays. Not to mention the length difference when facing Ingram as opposed to Hart. |
This guy hates Ingram... yet oddly thinks he's good enough to be the centerpiece to bring Davis in a trade.
So which is it... is Ingram good?... which then would make sense why the Pelicans would trade AD for him, Lonzo, and Kuzma... or is Ingram not good?... in which case his logic makes no sense.
He's not the only one using this faulty logic here either.
They can't have it both ways. |
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I have no idea why The Pelicans would trade Davis to the Lakers when the Celtics have about 3-4 pieces they could move for him and 3 young talents they could afford to part with and not severely weaken their team for Davis.
We can't say the same.
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| MJST wrote: | I have no idea why The Pelicans would trade Ingram to the Lakers when the Celtics have about 3-4 pieces they could move for him and 3 young talents they could afford to part with and not severely weaken their team.
We can't say the same. |
Plus, they don't even have Ingram! =P |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | MJST wrote: | I have no idea why The Pelicans would trade Davis to the Lakers when the Celtics have about 3-4 pieces they could move for him and 3 young talents they could afford to part with and not severely weaken their team.
We can't say the same. |
Plus, they don't even have Ingram! =P |
They have
Jaylen Brown
Al Hortford
Marcus Morris
Terry Rozier
and Marcus Smart
They could package Brown, Hortford and Smart/Rozier and land Davis if they wanted
Celtics Get:
Anthony Davis
Solomon Hill
Pelicans Get:
Jaylen Brown
Al Hortford
Terry Rozier
The Celtics also have:
Their own 2019 1st Round Pick
Philadelphia's 2019 1st Round Pick (Unless it's #1)
Memphis Grizzlies 2019 1st Round Pick (Unless it's 1st-8th)
Los Angeles Clippers 2019 1st Round Pick (Unless it's 1st - 14th)
The Celtics also match salary with Davis with Hortford alone, so they wouldn't need to mash a lot together to make the salaries fit.
The Celtics have all they'd need for Davis and if a trade package was put together for him, the Pelicans would get far more value from the Celtics than the Lakers.
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| ringfinger wrote: | | MJST wrote: | I have no idea why The Pelicans would trade Ingram to the Lakers when the Celtics have about 3-4 pieces they could move for him and 3 young talents they could afford to part with and not severely weaken their team.
We can't say the same. |
Plus, they don't even have Ingram! =P |
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| MJST wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | MJST wrote: | I have no idea why The Pelicans would trade Davis to the Lakers when the Celtics have about 3-4 pieces they could move for him and 3 young talents they could afford to part with and not severely weaken their team.
We can't say the same. |
Plus, they don't even have Ingram! =P |
They have
Jaylen Brown
Al Hortford
Marcus Morris
Terry Rozier
and Marcus Smart
They could package Brown, Hortford and Smart/Rozier and land Davis if they wanted
Celtics Get:
Anthony Davis
Solomon Hill
Pelicans Get:
Jaylen Brown
Al Hortford
Terry Rozier
The Celtics also have:
Their own 2019 1st Round Pick
Philadelphia's 2019 1st Round Pick (Unless it's #1)
Memphis Grizzlies 2019 1st Round Pick (Unless it's 1st-8th)
Los Angeles Clippers 2019 1st Round Pick (Unless it's 1st - 14th)
The Celtics also match salary with Davis with Hortford alone, so they wouldn't need to mash a lot together to make the salaries fit.
The Celtics have all they'd need for Davis and if a trade package was put together for him, the Pelicans would get far more value from the Celtics than the Lakers. |
Yeah. Celts have a much better treasure chest than us right now.
Though AD/Kyrie/Hayward may be the 3 most oft injured and highly paid trio in NBA history if that happens.
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I'd rather have Ingram/Ball/Kuzma than Jaylen/Horford/Rozier
Mainly because Horford is old.
It's not that huge a treasure chest unless the draft is deep.
All that being said... I'm keeping the core and going for AD in free agency to replace LBJ when he retires. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | I'd rather have Ingram/Ball/Kuzma than Jaylen/Horford/Rozier
Mainly because Horford is old.
It's not that huge a treasure chest unless the draft is deep.
All that being said... I'm keeping the core and going for AD in free agency to replace LBJ when he retires. |
Can't Horford opt out? Which he would if they're trading him to the Pels. If he does, who do you include to salary match? Or what happens if Kyrie jumps to NY?
Things CAN change. But right now the Celts are the frontrunners b/c they have so many draft picks that they can include.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | MJST wrote: | I have no idea why The Pelicans would trade Davis to the Lakers when the Celtics have about 3-4 pieces they could move for him and 3 young talents they could afford to part with and not severely weaken their team.
We can't say the same. |
Plus, they don't even have Ingram! =P |
They have
Jaylen Brown
Al Hortford
Marcus Morris
Terry Rozier
and Marcus Smart
They could package Brown, Hortford and Smart/Rozier and land Davis if they wanted
Celtics Get:
Anthony Davis
Solomon Hill
Pelicans Get:
Jaylen Brown
Al Hortford
Terry Rozier
The Celtics also have:
Their own 2019 1st Round Pick
Philadelphia's 2019 1st Round Pick (Unless it's #1)
Memphis Grizzlies 2019 1st Round Pick (Unless it's 1st-8th)
Los Angeles Clippers 2019 1st Round Pick (Unless it's 1st - 14th)
The Celtics also match salary with Davis with Hortford alone, so they wouldn't need to mash a lot together to make the salaries fit.
The Celtics have all they'd need for Davis and if a trade package was put together for him, the Pelicans would get far more value from the Celtics than the Lakers. |
Yeah. Celts have a much better treasure chest than us right now.
Though AD/Kyrie/Hayward may be the 3 most oft injured and highly paid trio in NBA history if that happens. |
Gordon Hayward: If your arm has been good your whole life, and suddenly a man cuts off your arm with a Samurai Sword..are you injury prone?
Either way, a trio of Davis/Kyrie/Hayward with the addition of Tatum would make me think about when the Celtics put together Garnett Pierce and Allen, and Rondo was on the come up. Seems like what the Celtics would be wanting to do now, and it would make their matchup with the Raptors all the more interesting and tbh.
Davis/Kyrie/Hayward/Tatum vs Durant/Curry/Thompson/Green?
Probably would again top the NBA Finals ratings.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | I'd rather have Ingram/Ball/Kuzma than Jaylen/Horford/Rozier
Mainly because Horford is old.
It's not that huge a treasure chest unless the draft is deep.
All that being said... I'm keeping the core and going for AD in free agency to replace LBJ when he retires. |
Can't Horford opt out? Which he would if they're trading him to the Pels. If he does, who do you include to salary match? Or what happens if Kyrie jumps to NY?
Things CAN change. But right now the Celts are the frontrunners b/c they have so many draft picks that they can include. |
I bet Mo, Svi, and Bonga are worth more than their mid level picks.
Again... not trading any of them. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | I'd rather have Ingram/Ball/Kuzma than Jaylen/Horford/Rozier
Mainly because Horford is old.
It's not that huge a treasure chest unless the draft is deep.
All that being said... I'm keeping the core and going for AD in free agency to replace LBJ when he retires. |
You wouldn’t be keeping the core and going after AD in FA since you wouldn’t have cap space to sign him
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| MJST wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | MJST wrote: | I have no idea why The Pelicans would trade Davis to the Lakers when the Celtics have about 3-4 pieces they could move for him and 3 young talents they could afford to part with and not severely weaken their team.
We can't say the same. |
Plus, they don't even have Ingram! =P |
They have
Jaylen Brown
Al Hortford
Marcus Morris
Terry Rozier
and Marcus Smart
They could package Brown, Hortford and Smart/Rozier and land Davis if they wanted
Celtics Get:
Anthony Davis
Solomon Hill
Pelicans Get:
Jaylen Brown
Al Hortford
Terry Rozier
The Celtics also have:
Their own 2019 1st Round Pick
Philadelphia's 2019 1st Round Pick (Unless it's #1)
Memphis Grizzlies 2019 1st Round Pick (Unless it's 1st-8th)
Los Angeles Clippers 2019 1st Round Pick (Unless it's 1st - 14th)
The Celtics also match salary with Davis with Hortford alone, so they wouldn't need to mash a lot together to make the salaries fit.
The Celtics have all they'd need for Davis and if a trade package was put together for him, the Pelicans would get far more value from the Celtics than the Lakers. |
Yeah. Celts have a much better treasure chest than us right now.
Though AD/Kyrie/Hayward may be the 3 most oft injured and highly paid trio in NBA history if that happens. |
Gordon Hayward: If your arm has been good your whole life, and suddenly a man cuts off your arm with a Samurai Sword..are you injury prone?
Either way, a trio of Davis/Kyrie/Hayward with the addition of Tatum would make me think about when the Celtics put together Garnett Pierce and Allen, and Rondo was on the come up. Seems like what the Celtics would be wanting to do now, and it would make their matchup with the Raptors all the more interesting and tbh.
Davis/Kyrie/Hayward/Tatum vs Durant/Curry/Thompson/Green?
Probably would again top the NBA Finals ratings. |
Of course I know that about Hayward, but that injury seems to have sapped a bit of his burst. Kyrie is not up for dispute.
I'm actually hoping that:
1. Kyrie goes to the Knicks/Nets
2. Horford opts out.
Leaving them a core of Tatum/Hayward/Brown, etc. Then all of a sudden things become interesting trade asset wise.
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| Quote: | I bet Mo, Svi, and Bonga are worth more than their mid level picks.
Again... not trading any of them. |
This is just a Lakers fan's valuation. They probably disagree.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | I'd rather have Ingram/Ball/Kuzma than Jaylen/Horford/Rozier
Mainly because Horford is old.
It's not that huge a treasure chest unless the draft is deep.
All that being said... I'm keeping the core and going for AD in free agency to replace LBJ when he retires. |
You wouldn’t be keeping the core and going after AD in FA since you wouldn’t have cap space to sign him |
You'd trade them away if they weren't good enough to win championships
By 2021 we'd know the true value of Ingram and Ball.
If the front office knows they won't amount to anything... they should trade them now.
If they know they will... then they should have plenty of value as assets.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | I bet Mo, Svi, and Bonga are worth more than their mid level picks.
Again... not trading any of them. |
This is just a Lakers fan's valuation. They probably disagree. |
I would bet almost everyone disagrees.....2019 mid first round picks hold more value than Mo, Svi and Bonga. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | I bet Mo, Svi, and Bonga are worth more than their mid level picks.
Again... not trading any of them. |
This is just a Lakers fan's valuation. They probably disagree. |
I feel optimistic about Svi and Bonga... Mo, I'd need to see more minutes.
These are mostly picks in the twenties in a weak draft.
Our front office would find gems there... but would the Pelicans?
I'm not so sure I'm being that biased. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | I bet Mo, Svi, and Bonga are worth more than their mid level picks.
Again... not trading any of them. |
This is just a Lakers fan's valuation. They probably disagree. |
I feel optimistic about Svi and Bonga... Mo, I'd need to see more minutes.
These are mostly picks in the twenties in a weak draft.
Our front office would find gems there... but would the Pelicans?
I'm not so sure I'm being that biased. |
Of course we are biased. These are OUR guys so we assume the best about them. I'm biased too about our guys. It's just a natural thing.
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| adkindo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | I bet Mo, Svi, and Bonga are worth more than their mid level picks.
Again... not trading any of them. |
This is just a Lakers fan's valuation. They probably disagree. |
I would bet almost everyone disagrees.....2019 mid first round picks hold more value than Mo, Svi and Bonga. |
Have you identified three better players in the twenties for next year?
I heard the draft wasn't that strong.
Is Bol Bol even going to be greater than Mo? |
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