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PHILosophize
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | BigBoi wrote: | | awntawn wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | mookielala wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | officially 5-5 without BI
don't want to hear that we're a better team without him.
41 win pace |
Seriously, 5-5? If true, that seems like the most important statistic. |
5-5 against teams combined record of 107-124. I guess net ratings is more important. 🤔
I hope they can back though.
Ingram and Rondo can rest. We have enough cushion at this point and enough Lebron to stay above water. I’m just disappointed taking these Ls to mediocre teams. |
Must be noted that since McGee was out tonight, that lineup's net rating remains untarnished.
Also, the Celtics are undefeated in the playoffs with a starting lineup of Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, and Perkins  |
Lmao 
Josh Hart tonight, 2 for 10 from the field, 0 - 5 from three, zero rebs/asts/stls and he was a -26 yup better on offense and defense in the starting lineup |
The only people who are supporting Hart in the starting line up are the ones who are dying to get rid of BI this year, we are significantly better with BI in the starting line up every eye test and statics tells us that. |
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awntawn
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| BigBoi wrote: | | awntawn wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | mookielala wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | officially 5-5 without BI
don't want to hear that we're a better team without him.
41 win pace |
Seriously, 5-5? If true, that seems like the most important statistic. |
5-5 against teams combined record of 107-124. I guess net ratings is more important. 🤔
I hope they can back though.
Ingram and Rondo can rest. We have enough cushion at this point and enough Lebron to stay above water. I’m just disappointed taking these Ls to mediocre teams. |
Must be noted that since McGee was out tonight, that lineup's net rating remains untarnished.
Also, the Celtics are undefeated in the playoffs with a starting lineup of Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, and Perkins |
Lmao
Josh Hart tonight, 2 for 10 from the field, 0 - 5 from three, zero rebs/asts/stls and he was a -26 yup better on offense and defense in the starting lineup |
Listen, I love Josh. It's just this notion that "he's a better player than Ingram right now" that's ridiculous and needs to stop. He's got good advanced stats as a result of a limited role that masks his deficiencies, whereas Ingram plays a role that exposes every hole in his game.
Yes, surrounding Lebron with role players and running everything through him is the most effective option, but when your entire starting lineup's scoring ability is so solely dependent on one guy, you'll get a night like this when that guy doesn't have it. It's a testament to Lebron's greatness that it happens so infrequently.
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Inspector Gadget
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | BigBoi wrote: | | awntawn wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | mookielala wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | officially 5-5 without BI
don't want to hear that we're a better team without him.
41 win pace |
Seriously, 5-5? If true, that seems like the most important statistic. |
5-5 against teams combined record of 107-124. I guess net ratings is more important. 🤔
I hope they can back though.
Ingram and Rondo can rest. We have enough cushion at this point and enough Lebron to stay above water. I’m just disappointed taking these Ls to mediocre teams. |
Must be noted that since McGee was out tonight, that lineup's net rating remains untarnished.
Also, the Celtics are undefeated in the playoffs with a starting lineup of Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, and Perkins |
Lmao
Josh Hart tonight, 2 for 10 from the field, 0 - 5 from three, zero rebs/asts/stls and he was a -26 yup better on offense and defense in the starting lineup |
The only people who are supporting Hart in the starting line up are the ones who are dying to get rid of BI this year, we are significantly better with BI in the starting line up every eye test and statics tells us that. |
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mookielala
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | good thing we didn't pave paradise  |
too soon |
don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you got till it's gone? |
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epak
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Look at these guys.
No one said the team is better without BI.
He plays over 30 mins. You can't just replace that.
What we're saying is we'd like to see how he does off the bench.
Not sure why that's so hard to understand. |
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kikanga
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | Look at these guys.
No one said the team is better without BI.
He plays over 30 mins. You can't just replace that.
What we're saying is we'd like to see how he does off the bench.
Not sure why that's so hard to understand. |
The top lineup in your signature was our starting lineup tonight. It did not look very good.
But you're right. Very few people said we're better off without Ingram altogether.
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epak
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | epak wrote: | Look at these guys.
No one said the team is better without BI.
He plays over 30 mins. You can't just replace that.
What we're saying is we'd like to see how he does off the bench.
Not sure why that's so hard to understand. |
The top lineup in your signature was our starting lineup tonight. It did not look very good.
But you're right. Very few people said we're better off without Ingram altogether. |
Sure we can ignore the good games I guess? |
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kfkilla
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| When is BI coming back!? I’m getting tired of watching Josh Hart struggle out there trying to guard 2s. Then go 1-8. Please BI we need you!! |
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AirTupac
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Lol @ anyone ever mentioning Hart to replace fking BI out of people. |
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epak
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| AirTupac wrote: | | Lol @ anyone ever mentioning Hart to replace fking BI out of people. |
Lol. Right? |
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| AirTupac wrote: | | Lol @ anyone ever mentioning Hart to replace fking BI out of people. |
Why r u trolling and posting same things like u do on other forums? |
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AirTupac
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | AirTupac wrote: | | Lol @ anyone ever mentioning Hart to replace fking BI out of people. |
Why r u trolling and posting same things like u do on other forums? |
How is that trolling? Wtf. Its a serious statement that I think a lot of people will agree with. |
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LakersDC
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Miss BI, but really hope he uses this off-time to study film and realize he needs to cut more. Good iso offense and D is improving, but when he doesn't have the ball, 90% of the time, dude just stands there. If he can't change that about his game, it will never work with LBJ here. |
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kikanga
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | epak wrote: | Look at these guys.
No one said the team is better without BI.
He plays over 30 mins. You can't just replace that.
What we're saying is we'd like to see how he does off the bench.
Not sure why that's so hard to understand. |
The top lineup in your signature was our starting lineup tonight. It did not look very good.
But you're right. Very few people said we're better off without Ingram altogether. |
Sure we can ignore the good games I guess? |
Of course we shouldn't ignore the good games. Didn't mean to suggest otherwise.
Our next game is against Brooklyn. I'm sure our starters will do better. We have a day off in between games.
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epak
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | epak wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | epak wrote: | Look at these guys.
No one said the team is better without BI.
He plays over 30 mins. You can't just replace that.
What we're saying is we'd like to see how he does off the bench.
Not sure why that's so hard to understand. |
The top lineup in your signature was our starting lineup tonight. It did not look very good.
But you're right. Very few people said we're better off without Ingram altogether. |
Sure we can ignore the good games I guess? |
Of course we shouldn't ignore the good games. Didn't mean to suggest otherwise.
Our next game is against Brooklyn. I'm sure our starters will do better. We have a day off in between games. |
Hope so.
Note, I think BI is gonna keep improving. |
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PartyMan
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Last couple games have shown us BI is superior to Hart, idc what the shmanalytics say. Hart is a good role player. Ingram is already a solid starter with all star potential. He hasn’t shown a consistent 3 pt shot and can be a bit of a ball stopper, but I see a fairly efficient scorer, pg skills at a long 6’9, and a budding defensive player.
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CantStopJM
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| PartyMan wrote: | | Last couple games have shown us BI is superior to Hart, idc what the shmanalytics say. Hart is a good role player. Ingram is already a solid starter with all star potential. He hasn’t shown a consistent 3 pt shot and can be a bit of a ball stopper, but I see a fairly efficient scorer, pg skills at a long 6’9, and a budding defensive player. |
You needed these games to show that? The one thing going against BI is that he actually has multiple (average) skills while Hart is limited so which kind of guys play well with Lebron? The ones that are limited and can space the floor. Ingram isn’t content with just passing the ball to Bron and getting out the way and nor should he. |
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PartyMan
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| CantStopJM wrote: | | PartyMan wrote: | | Last couple games have shown us BI is superior to Hart, idc what the shmanalytics say. Hart is a good role player. Ingram is already a solid starter with all star potential. He hasn’t shown a consistent 3 pt shot and can be a bit of a ball stopper, but I see a fairly efficient scorer, pg skills at a long 6’9, and a budding defensive player. |
You needed these games to show that? The one thing going against BI is that he actually has multiple (average) skills while Hart is limited so which kind of guys play well with Lebron? The ones that are limited and can space the floor. Ingram isn’t content with just passing the ball to Bron and getting out the way and nor should he. |
No I did not. But it hasn’t been so obvious to some Laker fans. I agree about the deferring part.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:46 am Post subject: |
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I don't think many people said that Hart should replace BI, if they did they're crazy.
The question was whether or not Hart is a better fit at the 2, than BI is out of position.
it's not Hart vs BI. It's BI vs Kuzma with Hart at the 2.
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PauPau
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | I don't think many people said that Hart should replace BI, if they did they're crazy.
The question was whether or not Hart is a better fit at the 2, than BI is out of position.
it's not Hart vs BI. It's BI vs Kuzma with Hart at the 2. |
Not quite but you're getting closer.
It is irrellevant what arbitrary # you assign to BI or LeBron, currently their roles and playing styles clash(offense) and as a result or some other unknown, do not play well together.
- The eye test suggests it strongly and the numbers confirm it.
No one I can't stress this enough NO ONE thinks Hart is more talented than Ingram and no one thinks the team is better without Ingram in the rotation. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:53 am Post subject: |
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I don't think Kuz will be leaving the starting lineup this year.
They will probably start BI when he's back after his injury, but they need to stagger his minutes more off of LBJ. There's only 10-14mpg where LBJ is sitting so they need BI to play every one of those minutes.
We're starting to feel the strain of losing two top 7 rotation players in BI/Rondo.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| In 2k I just won an Ingram jersey with my daily spin....it either means he will be traded today or he won’t lol. |
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PauPau
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | I don't think Kuz will be leaving the starting lineup this year.
They will probably start BI when he's back after his injury, but they need to stagger his minutes more off of LBJ. There's only 10-14mpg where LBJ is sitting so they need BI to play every one of those minutes.
We're starting to feel the strain of losing two top 7 rotation players in BI/Rondo. |
I agree, I think that's the likely compromise.
Who finishes the game I think will be assessed on a game to game basis, for a while at least. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| kfkilla wrote: | | When is BI coming back!? I’m getting tired of watching Josh Hart struggle out there trying to guard 2s. Then go 1-8. Please BI we need you!! |
Preach, Killa. Twelve days now on a tweak that happens all the time. He ain't hurt at this point, cmon. I've had a bad tweak by falling on a foot that wound up bruising the sh out of my foot and I was playing (at his same age) within 3 days without much trouble. He ain't hurt anymore. Anyone coming at me foul is pushing credulity at this point. Isiah Thomas of 1988 would've been back by now fer chrissakes. The team has been pulling this balogna to extremes for the past 5-7 years now. Read about the injury that Shaq had in 1997 to his knee and he was brought back in-season, aged 25 Shaq, the pillar of future championship dreams.
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AirTupac
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:30 am Post subject: |
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I called it. BI would be out till godamn 2019
Bravo team |
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