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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | 3 #2 picks, 3 fails
Smh | Wrong _________________ Music is my medicine |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Vancouver Fan wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | 3 #2 picks, 3 fails
Smh | Wrong |
Fine. It's my opinion |
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BigGameHames Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | Vancouver Fan wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | 3 #2 picks, 3 fails
Smh | Wrong |
Fine. It's my opinion |
Pretty early to write them all off. |
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awntawn Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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CantStopJM wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | PengShow wrote: | CantStopJM wrote: | Threatt_Level wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: |
He's way safe from being a bust and if anyone calls him that it's straight trolling.
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Ingram has been one of the worst players in the league the past few years looking at RPM and BPM. Currently, he's tied with Dwayne Wade at -2.56 in RPM. How is it trolling to call him a bust? It's his 3rd year in the league. |
What's the point of watching the game if you're gonna rely on a calculator? |
You don't have to rely on a calculator to see Ingram hasn't exactly set the NBA on fire, his advanced stats are horrendous and the eye test backs that up.
He's still young though so I'm not going write him off, people just expected more than they're getting right now from him. |
How is there a advanced stat for someone who hasn’t played this year due to suspension and injury? He has barely had any time to adjust to his new teammates, I have no idea how you guys get the notion that there a a advanced stat and eye test when BI has been dealing with stuff... I think you guys just don’t like him as a basketball player but at least that’s more acceptable then making up calculations for someone who hasn’t played enough to prove his worth. |
Also you can just watch him play and see for yourself that he's not one of the worst players in the NBA according to whatever advanced stat people use. Advanced stats told us Derrick Rose was one of the worst players in the NBA the past few years when in reality all he needed was an opportunity and a system that empowers him.
According to PER, Boban is the best player in the league. |
The problem with advanced stats is that uninformed people think they know how to use them.
Advanced stats never said Derrick Rose was one of the worst players in the NBA. A stat is just a number. It's the people who took that stat, and without context, took it straight up to interpret that it meant he was one of the worst players in the NBA.
RPM and BPM are not like NBA 2k ratings. People think they are. That's the problem. |
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mookielala Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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CantStopJM wrote: |
What's the point of watching the game if you're gonna rely on a calculator? |
Nice. |
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audioaxes Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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things will look worse for Ingram if/when we get a second Max player. He will HAVE to become a much better off-the-ball player around those #1 and #2 options. _________________ (bleep) Kawhi |
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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BigGameHames wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Vancouver Fan wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | 3 #2 picks, 3 fails
Smh | Wrong |
Fine. It's my opinion |
Pretty early to write them all off. |
It's never too early for delonla |
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | Vancouver Fan wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | 3 #2 picks, 3 fails
Smh | Wrong |
Fine. It's my opinion |
Not arguing but who would you have picked instead of Ingram?? The 2016 draft looks weak besides Ben Simmons |
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AirTupac Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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The only people better than Ingram from that draft are: Siakam and Jammal Murray, both who no one would have picked at #2.
Brown is a much more inferior player than Ingram |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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That draft was so so horrible. Murray isn’t even shooting decently from 3 or TS%.
I wish we lost that pick |
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AirTupac Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | That draft was so so horrible. Murray isn’t even shooting decently from 3 or TS%.
I wish we lost that pick |
Yeah I take back the Murray comment and probably Siakam too. Ingram was the right pick though |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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AirTupac wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | That draft was so so horrible. Murray isn’t even shooting decently from 3 or TS%.
I wish we lost that pick |
Yeah I take back the Murray comment and probably Siakam too. Ingram was the right pick though |
Yea he was |
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:39 am Post subject: |
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BigGameHames wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Vancouver Fan wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | 3 #2 picks, 3 fails
Smh | Wrong |
Fine. It's my opinion |
Pretty early to write them all off. |
This is Ingram's 3rd year in the league. At what point do we acknowledge that he's just not going to be that good? |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:42 am Post subject: |
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AirTupac wrote: | The only people better than Ingram from that draft are: Siakam and Jammal Murray, both who no one would have picked at #2.
Brown is a much more inferior player than Ingram |
I'm assuming you mean after Simmons?
Others IMO that are in the same level as BI:
Hield (I wouldn't have taken him #2 but showing out to be a decent scorer)
Murray
Sabonis (no way at #2, and he's much older, but is a playoff rotation player)
LeVert
Siakim
As I prefaced, some of these guys were a lot older and probably have a higher floor but lower ceiling than BI.
But at the time of the draft, BI was the consensus #2 pick so we can't be revisionists in that respect. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Threatt_Level Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:51 am Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | That draft was so so horrible. Murray isn’t even shooting decently from 3 or TS%.
I wish we lost that pick |
We should've tanked harder for Simmons. As much as I wish we'd lost that pick instead of 2018, we would've ended up owing Orlando a first rounder for Dwight. But Jim and Mitch insisted on signing guys like Brandon Bass and Lou Williams instead of G Leaguers like the Sixers were doing. |
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Threatt_Level Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:05 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | AirTupac wrote: | The only people better than Ingram from that draft are: Siakam and Jammal Murray, both who no one would have picked at #2.
Brown is a much more inferior player than Ingram |
I'm assuming you mean after Simmons?
Others IMO that are in the same level as BI:
Hield (I wouldn't have taken him #2 but showing out to be a decent scorer)
Murray
Sabonis (no way at #2, and he's much older, but is a playoff rotation player)
LeVert
Siakim
As I prefaced, some of these guys were a lot older and probably have a higher floor but lower ceiling than BI.
But at the time of the draft, BI was the consensus #2 pick so we can't be revisionists in that respect. |
I wanted Jamal Murray at the time. A lot of people I saw who weren't on the Ingram train wanted us to take Buddy Hield. But, other than Sabonis, they're all about the same - all very mediocre players. Frankly, 2016 was totally underwhelming outside of Simmons, even at the time, and nobody has really come out of nowhere to rescue that draft like a Giannis or an Oladipo turning into an overnight star did for 2013. 2016 is probably going to be the worst draft since 2000. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Threatt_Level wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | AirTupac wrote: | The only people better than Ingram from that draft are: Siakam and Jammal Murray, both who no one would have picked at #2.
Brown is a much more inferior player than Ingram |
I'm assuming you mean after Simmons?
Others IMO that are in the same level as BI:
Hield (I wouldn't have taken him #2 but showing out to be a decent scorer)
Murray
Sabonis (no way at #2, and he's much older, but is a playoff rotation player)
LeVert
Siakim
As I prefaced, some of these guys were a lot older and probably have a higher floor but lower ceiling than BI.
But at the time of the draft, BI was the consensus #2 pick so we can't be revisionists in that respect. |
I wanted Jamal Murray at the time. A lot of people I saw who weren't on the Ingram train wanted us to take Buddy Hield. But, other than Sabonis, they're all about the same - all very mediocre players. Frankly, 2016 was totally underwhelming outside of Simmons, even at the time, and nobody has really come out of nowhere to rescue that draft like a Giannis or an Oladipo turning into an overnight star did for 2013. 2016 is probably going to be the worst draft since 2000. |
Only bona fide all star in that group is Simmons. None are close that at this moment. Arguably Siakim but doubt he gets it this year. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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AirTupac Star Player
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:14 am Post subject: |
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Siakam is the only guy with a higher ceiling than BI arguably. He is scary sometimes. Im a fan. I still take BI. I havent given up yet. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:18 am Post subject: |
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AirTupac wrote: | Siakam is the only guy with a higher ceiling than BI arguably. He is scary sometimes. Im a fan. I still take BI. I havent given up yet. |
Simmons
I think Murray/BI/Siakim can have similar potential ceilings. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Threatt_Level wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Vancouver Fan wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | 3 #2 picks, 3 fails
Smh | Wrong |
Fine. It's my opinion |
Pretty early to write them all off. |
This is Ingram's 3rd year in the league. At what point do we acknowledge that he's just not going to be that good? |
He’s already proven he’s pretty good, his issue is the style in which he plays. I would be fine with moving him but he’s gonna be a rotational player in the NBA for the next decade. That’s his floor, if he learns how to play with others, he could be an all star. |
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Man... remember when it was originslly reported that Caris Levert was included in the DLo trade? |
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ringfinger wrote: | Man... remember when it was originslly reported that Caris Levert was included in the DLo trade? |
Ugh. Don't remind me. Would have been an amazing throw in. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:46 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | AirTupac wrote: | The only people better than Ingram from that draft are: Siakam and Jammal Murray, both who no one would have picked at #2.
Brown is a much more inferior player than Ingram |
I'm assuming you mean after Simmons?
Others IMO that are in the same level as BI:
Hield (I wouldn't have taken him #2 but showing out to be a decent scorer)
Murray
Sabonis (no way at #2, and he's much older, but is a playoff rotation player)
LeVert
Siakim
As I prefaced, some of these guys were a lot older and probably have a higher floor but lower ceiling than BI.
But at the time of the draft, BI was the consensus #2 pick so we can't be revisionists in that respect. |
Hield is clearly better than Ingram right now. Obviously Ingram has youth on his side. But I think Hield would be a far better fit with LeBron. Maybe if we had had LeBron at the time he would've been the pick. |
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Bol wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | AirTupac wrote: | The only people better than Ingram from that draft are: Siakam and Jammal Murray, both who no one would have picked at #2.
Brown is a much more inferior player than Ingram |
I'm assuming you mean after Simmons?
Others IMO that are in the same level as BI:
Hield (I wouldn't have taken him #2 but showing out to be a decent scorer)
Murray
Sabonis (no way at #2, and he's much older, but is a playoff rotation player)
LeVert
Siakim
As I prefaced, some of these guys were a lot older and probably have a higher floor but lower ceiling than BI.
But at the time of the draft, BI was the consensus #2 pick so we can't be revisionists in that respect. |
Hield is clearly better than Ingram right now. Obviously Ingram has youth on his side. But I think Hield would be a far better fit with LeBron. Maybe if we had had LeBron at the time he would've been the pick. |
He’s also about 4 years older. And reached his potential. |
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Threatt_Level wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Vancouver Fan wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | 3 #2 picks, 3 fails
Smh | Wrong |
Fine. It's my opinion |
Pretty early to write them all off. |
This is Ingram's 3rd year in the league. At what point do we acknowledge that he's just not going to be that good? |
In 3 more years they’ll say hes just 24 dude, wait 3 more years. |
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