Anyways, sorry to hijack this thread with FA talk.
Going back to my original point, even if we keep BI and most of the young core and add a max FA (or 2nd tier FA), I think we are in good shape going forward.
The doom and gloom that some want to project is just fake news to me.
Am I the only one who thought he had a excellent game yesterday?
His stats could have looked better if he was engaged and he did a good job helping the team in other areas, it seems in 1 of these days he’s gonna end up with a few triple-double games.
he had a better game because he didn't try to play outside of his strengths. facilitating for the better scorers and rebounding should be his primary focus. _________________ We only celebrate championships.
As I said in the game recap thread, I don't need 20+ inefficient points from you, BI. Aim for Odom, not Durant and you will help your career and the team.
I couldnt agree more - the problem is that the BI stans are trying to shoehorn him into a KD role when he is more Odom than KD.
And tbh if BI played as well as Odom, we wouldnt even need a 2nd max FA - but a 2nd tier all star (Bradley Beal).
Odom was 6MOY and a beast in so many different ways - excellent rebounder, play maker, passer, could score if he had to.
Find the quote of anyone claiming BI is KD this season.
You are arguing with someone who doesn't exist.
I think he's more an Odom and I'm one of his biggest advocates here.
Let me rephrase - a ridiculous amount of posters are evaluating him as if he was the next KD. He is very replaceable and should be shipped out in a package for AD - capiche?
Trade Bynum and Odom for Garnett, capiche? That's the only way Kobe wins another ring.
Oh you remember getgarnett.com? Great times on this site, back then.
We also dont have a Bynum either and it was the acquisition of a 2nd tier All star in Pau that made us winners with prime Kobe.
We dont have prime Kobe, we have older Lebron James.
We wont be getting the same type of deal that we did for Pau Gasol anytime soon.
So if Kobe + Pau = championships, who do we need to trade for to do that with Lebron?
AD. _________________ I was horribly wrong about Brandon Ingram.
Trade Bynum and Odom for Garnett, capiche? That's the only way Kobe wins another ring.
Don't use that example...b/c I actually think they probably win a few together!
Yeah except Kevin McHale was never going to trade him to the Lakers. I think the Lakers were more than willing to do that deal, but Kevin McHale chose to help out his buddy for Al (bleep) Jefferson instead. We'll never know. What we do know is what DID end up winning 2 chips.
These rumored blockbuster deals never happen because the owners/management of these (bleep) teams with discontent superstars are also petty as hell. The Pelicans aren't going to trade AD to us even if we have the best package, which we mostly likely don't.
Bottom line is that's a very similar situation. The same type of mother (bleep) who are trying to ship out the young core everyday said the same thing about Bynum and Odom, because neither one was Pippen, thereby "easily replaceable".
Not everyone's hanging onto BI because they think he's going to be KD. I'd argue literally no one is. The biggest argument for hanging onto the kids is because depth + a superstar in free agency is an infinitely better option than trading the depth FOR a superstar.
Oh you mean just like Paul George?
Or how about things worked out with Kawhi?
No one will EVER do the Lakers a fan again. _________________ I was horribly wrong about Brandon Ingram.
Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 11197 Location: The Other Perspective
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:15 pm Post subject:
I doubt SAS and Max even believe half of the clickbaity stuff they say publicly. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him
These two seem to think Ingram and Ball were mistakes, and that Kuz has more value than they do collectively.
max was trash when he was on ESPN LA and has gotten worse since he joined that show.
its about ratings for them and no substance
Max tweeted the other day how the Knicks might lose Porzingis in free agency
I watch Cowherd for Football ..and the Basketball takes are hilarious. This week he’s said AD is a free agent this year, Kuzma is a better defender than BI and will be Bron’s best 3rd option ever
These two seem to think Ingram and Ball were mistakes, and that Kuz has more value than they do collectively.
max was trash when he was on ESPN LA and has gotten worse since he joined that show.
its about ratings for them and no substance
Max tweeted the other day how the Knicks might lose Porzingis in free agency
I watch Cowherd for Football ..and the Basketball takes are hilarious. This week he’s said AD is a free agent this year, Kuzma is a better defender than BI and will be Bron’s best 3rd option ever
Let's be real, these guys cover every team for every sport. We watch the 5 minute segment they do on the Lakers. It's barely even a blip on their entire show for that day alone. They're a casual sports show for the casual sports fan, and they cover a broad range of topics skin-deep. If you're an enthusiast enough to even post on a message board, you already know more than they do.
These two seem to think Ingram and Ball were mistakes, and that Kuz has more value than they do collectively.
max was trash when he was on ESPN LA and has gotten worse since he joined that show.
its about ratings for them and no substance
Max tweeted the other day how the Knicks might lose Porzingis in free agency
I watch Cowherd for Football ..and the Basketball takes are hilarious. This week he’s said AD is a free agent this year, Kuzma is a better defender than BI and will be Bron’s best 3rd option ever
Let's be real, these guys cover every team for every sport. We watch the 5 minute segment they do on the Lakers. It's barely even a blip on their entire show for that day alone. They're a casual sports show for the casual sports fan, and they cover a broad range of topics skin-deep. If you're an enthusiast enough to even post on a message board, you already know more than they do.
His rebounds the past couple of games: 7,7, 11,9,5,3 and now 6 in the first half. There's no reason why he shouldn't be actively rebounding like this the entire season. He needs to stop having those 1 or 2 rebound games, even when he's having a terrible game, atleast your effort on the glass should be consistent.
I'm hoping it continues when Lebron gets back, even if the numbers are lower, he should be looking for boards like he has been recently.
Just wanna say.....You are my favorite Ingram stan.
You don’t sugar coat or try to defend BI to death like most other Ingram stans on this board that have to find some ways to always make Ingram look good as if he’s never had a bad game, or they would try to make Lonzo or Kuz look bad to deflect from BI. You call it what it is and give BI tough love.
true that even SocalDevin is fine.
no ifs and no random stats, just common sense
Appreciate the kind words my dudes. At the end of the day, we're all Lakers fans first but we just have slightly different view points on what will make them a true championship team the soonest. Plus, the only player that would even come even slightly close to making me questioning my Lakers fandom is Kobe Bryant. I grew up idolizing him and the Mamba mentality.
I just really (bleep) with Ingram's personality off the court, he seems like a cool guy. Plus GT posted earlier a few pages back how Ingram being young, having an insane wingspan and a couple of other factors lead people to project their wildest fantasies on him. I was def. guilty of that in his first few seasons. _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe
That's also why I'm a lot more interested in helping to expand the concept of community-based content than I am in working for outlets anymore. There are a lot of smart people who have the most important ingredient to creating great content...actually giving a (bleep) about the topic.
Take KIROE, for example. He's big into shot mechanics. He produces really interesting content when he wants to and I bet he could make a living doing it after a couple of years of pursuing that if he focused on it.
Conventional outlets won't have much value beyond airing games within the next decade. People are going to increasingly pursue their sports analysis through the lens of specialists. You guys more about the Lakers than most basketball analysts and commentators do, and it's only a matter of time.
That's also why I'm a lot more interested in helping to expand the concept of community-based content than I am in working for outlets anymore. There are a lot of smart people who have the most important ingredient to creating great content...actually giving a (bleep) about the topic.
Take KIROE, for example. He's big into shot mechanics. He produces really interesting content when he wants to and I bet he could make a living doing it after a couple of years of pursuing that if he focused on it.
Conventional outlets won't have much value beyond airing games within the next decade. People are going to increasingly pursue their sports analysis through the lens of specialists. You guys more about the Lakers than most basketball analysts and commentators do, and it's only a matter of time.
I remember when I used to get frustrated at TV analysts saying stupid ass (bleep) about the Lakers that made no sense to anyone that actually watched the games. But then I realized that these analysts are not only paid to cover 30 teams in the NBA, but multiple sports. There's no way for them to be that accurate.
I also think people in general tend to value the opinions of these reporters way too much. A semi respectable reporter can come out saying a statement that might not be very true, and all of a sudden a overall consensus shifts so much. Sometimes I think about the people that vote for awards also.
But it's cool that you've became successful yourself and you're interested in putting people on to also make something out their passions. Alot of people would let that level of clout change how they act, but you're still on LakersGround debating. But then again, the Lakers are your full time job _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe
Lebron and Ingram are similar in that they both excel with shooters around them. Both put pressure on the rim, collapsing the defense and can make a play from there. In Ingram's case, you either need to hit him on the move, or if you're using a high pick, the screener needs to be a pop threat. LeBron can obviously get it done in more ways.
It's not that the two can't fit together, it's that the roster doesn't support their fit.
We need a big who is a threat to pop and a guard/wing who shoots daggers from the corners. It would also help a TON if Lonzo could consistently shoot the three ball.
These two seem to think Ingram and Ball were mistakes, and that Kuz has more value than they do collectively.
Anyone notice how with the Lakers media always trys to prop up one of our youngsters at the expense of other? Like it's a bad thing to have three great young prospects or something _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe
Anyways, sorry to hijack this thread with FA talk.
Going back to my original point, even if we keep BI and most of the young core and add a max FA (or 2nd tier FA), I think we are in good shape going forward.
The doom and gloom that some want to project is just fake news to me.
PREACH. Well said!
team composition is not balanced, that's really the main even if you add another max FA. _________________ "Now, if life is coffee, then the jobs, money & position in society are the cups. They are just tools to hold & contain life, but the quality of life doesn't change. Sometimes, by concentrating only on the cup, we fail to enjoy the coffee in it."
Still holding out for the game where Kuz & BI both have big games. Right now it seems one or the other.
BI is going to be fine. He still tries to do too much and play outside of his comfort zone. When he plays within himself and doesn't try to do too much he is a very good player. They are also asking a lot of Ingram as well.
Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 4373 Location: Lake Nacimiento
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:59 pm Post subject:
Another thing I do not see much people talking about is how Kuzma was still in college when he was 21, he had 3 years before he came to the pros.. At 23 I bet Ingram is going to be a much more consistent player and will average around 20 in his sleep whether its on the Lakers or somewhere else. I am seeing a guy that is constantly improving not only every season but throughout every season.
I get we need more production and consistency right now with him and Ball but I have no doubt both will be drastically better players in 2 years not only skill wise but mentally as well because they are gym rats just like Kuzma is. I think until they start reaching the pinnacle of there potential they can still provide plenty like they currently are.
I obviously get possibly trading Ingram if we somehow pull off getting Durant or Kawhi but outside of that I hope we keep this young core together and don't lose all our depth for another star.
Another thing I do not see much people talking about is how Kuzma was still in college when he was 21, he had 3 years before he came to the pros.. At 23 I bet Ingram is going to be a much more consistent player and will average around 20 in his sleep whether its on the Lakers or somewhere else. I am seeing a guy that is constantly improving not only every season but throughout every season.
I get we need more production and consistency right now with him and Ball but I have no doubt both will be drastically better players in 2 years not only skill wise but mentally as well because they are gym rats just like Kuzma is. I think until they start reaching the pinnacle of there potential they can still provide plenty like they currently are.
I obviously get possibly trading Ingram if we somehow pull off getting Durant or Kawhi but outside of that I hope we keep this young core together and don't lose all our depth for another star.
I was at the game last night, and some things stood out to me about Ingram that you really can't grasp on TV or if you're sitting too far from the court. Fortunately, I was only 5 rows or so from the court, so I was able to pick up on a lot I hadn't noticed as much before, especially about BI.
First, it may be obvious to say, but Ingram is really taller than he is when you take into account his wingspan and standing reach. He's almost touching the rim when he reaches up. You start to get why there is so much criticism about his lack of rebounding. His hands are already higher than those he's boarding against before they jump. If he could just box out a little, he'd be getting near double digits rebounds every night. Which leads me to the next point...
Second, dude is not close to be mature physically. He's so baby giraffe out there. He doesn't use his athleticism (or speed) to the extent he could because., frankly, he still doesn't have the agility/coordination he needs to keep on balance. This is especially true because he has absolutely no base and can still be pushed off his mark rather easily (which explains lack of boxing out). He still really doesn't know how to use his body yet and a big part of that is because he's not done physically maturing. He still needs 15-20 pounds more weight on him (especially in his lower body, which people don't talk about enough). He also just needs to get used to being that lengthy and tall, so he can get some more coordination. Once both happen, I think it will unlock some quickness/quick twitch that you're not seeing now. I had thought he made strides, but seeing him in person really made it stand out more.
Third, he's still a bit mentally fragile. You can tell by his body language he is overthinking everything. The game is still moving too fast for him. You'd hope that by year three, things would get easier, but you can tell that nothing is coming easy for him from a mental standpoint. I was mentally exhausted just looking at him. He also tries to project this maturity on the court, but he does it the same way a 10 year old may act in a room full of adults trying to act way older than he is and trying to impress them. In the end though, that kid knows he is still a kid. Its the same with Ingram. He knows he's not there yet mentally, but tries to act the part. All that does is end up putting more pressure on him which leads to mistakes due to overthinking.
Great insight, thanks. This is part of why I'm so high on Ingram, he has a hell of a lot of development to do and is still finding a way to put up solid numbers. So imagine how great he'll be once he puts some weight on and finishes developing
the dude is mid-way through his 3rd season in the league. for most of NBA players, that's more than 1/3 of their career, and we still hoping he can finally grow up physically? the dude did not put in work during off season like Zo and Kuz and it shows.
C'mon man really?? You're assuming he didn't put in the work like Zo or Kuz because it's not "showing". Look at his body type. I hope you're just someone who hasn't been to the gym before.
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