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The Juggernaut
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | For some he will remain under the cloud of expectation, so they can justify the same criticisms.
Others have accepted the reality of what he is, and are celebrating the growth and maturation of an NBA prospect. |
If you pay $293,200 and order a new Porsche 911 GT2 RS and you are given a new Toyota 86 TRD SE that costs $32,420, you have a right to be pissed. The Toyota is a great little sports car, lots of get up and go . . . but it's not the same as the Porsche: you overpaid and you didn't get what you ordered.
We invested in the #2 pick in the draft. What we expected was a perennial All-Star in the making. BI is a credible NBA player/starter. But he's not what we wanted with the #2 pick. |
Flawed argument.
You're assuming that a Porsche 991 GT2 RS is available every year. |
Lovin the Porsche talk. GT2 RS is a beast. |
Out of the thousands of cars I've driven, Porsche is definitely my favorite brand.
I get dumb excited when Laker players buy them for personal vehicles.
But if BI is a Porsche, it's the 2019 Cayenne. Practical, versatile at a lot of different things, not a specialist at any one thing, but every family needs that kind of practicality. Slightly misplaced in the Porsche lineup. |
That's a good analogy for BI. The question is how suped up can we make this Porsche Cayenne?
All this car talk is making me want to buy the new Gran Turismo. |
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Mike@LG
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| 24Legend007 wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | Ingram was expected to be special.
Patience should be expected. However, Ingram has yet to flash any semblance of being special. I'm not even sure what I am expected to be looking forward to with Ingram anymore?
Am I waiting on him to become a shooter? A rebounder? A defender? A play-maker?
I am convinced he's a goner. The whole notion of him being a stud in the making is large reason why Magic wasn't aggressive in pursuing Paul George.
I feel duped... |
When we got him, I knew the KD talk was nonsense, but was hoping for a PG/Butler-type two-way stud. Now, I'm thinking he'll be closer to a Lamar Odom-type. |
Brandon Ingram is better then Paul George at about the same age imo.
I know advanced stats could prove me wrong but George was not special at Brandon's age imo.
And I will even take it back and say George was better but it was not by some huge glaring difference.
I used to think BI could be a scorer, I do think he should just focus on being our defensive specialists, he has the tools for that.
We give George alot of props but he really has done nothing in the nba player perspective. And I;m a George fan, I wanted him to beat Lebron, but he is at best a #2 probably a #3.
I will say it looks like Brandon's ceiling is maybe a #3. I think this is where we get caught up in scoring to much as well. I do think BI is every bit of the defender George could ever be. |
BI is not on George's level as a defender. George has the length, but he's also a tremendous athlete. George is, and has always been, far better at combating screens and playing help defense. |
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Lazlow
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If he does stick around and fills out a bit he could be the fringe starter/role player on some championship team.
Probably looking at a James Posey level player here. |
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Luminous8
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| Lazlow wrote: | If he does stick around and fills out a bit he could be the fringe starter/role player on some championship team.
Probably looking at a James Posey level player here. |
You’re blind hatred is amusing. |
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| Are y'all just gonna call BI EVERY tall slender NBA player that ever played in the NBA? Teyshaun Prince, Batum, James Posey, Giannis (before bulking), young KD,.... |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Are y'all just gonna call BI EVERY tall slender NBA player that ever played in the NBA? Teyshaun Prince, Batum, James Posey, Giannis (before bulking), young KD,.... |
Darius Miles, Kirilenko,... |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| Luminous8 wrote: | | Lazlow wrote: | If he does stick around and fills out a bit he could be the fringe starter/role player on some championship team.
Probably looking at a James Posey level player here. |
You’re blind hatred is amusing. |
It just undermines his credibility for future posts.
You can understand the Odom, Batum, Tayshaun comps...
When you see a Posey comp... it's like wearing a sandwich board on your chest that says "I've gone full troll... Nothing to see here" |
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where24happens
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| I’ve noticed the team is going less and less to ingram on offense now. I think they have begun to realize he’s not a very good scorer and part of it is Ingram realizing it too and being a more willing passer. I have to assume coaching is responsible for much of this. |
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| Players aren't cars. |
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Lazlow
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | Lazlow wrote: | If he does stick around and fills out a bit he could be the fringe starter/role player on some championship team.
Probably looking at a James Posey level player here. |
You’re blind hatred is amusing. |
It just undermines his credibility for future posts.
You can understand the Odom, Batum, Tayshaun comps...
When you see a Posey comp... it's like wearing a sandwich board on your chest that says "I've gone full troll... Nothing to see here" |
You act like Posey wasn't a decent player and wasn't a key component to that Miami Heat title. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | Lazlow wrote: | If he does stick around and fills out a bit he could be the fringe starter/role player on some championship team.
Probably looking at a James Posey level player here. |
You’re blind hatred is amusing. |
It just undermines his credibility for future posts.
You can understand the Odom, Batum, Tayshaun comps...
When you see a Posey comp... it's like wearing a sandwich board on your chest that says "I've gone full troll... Nothing to see here" |
He's the Pippen to Big Bol's MJ
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: |
If you pay $293,200 and order a new Porsche 911 GT2 RS and you are given a new Toyota 86 TRD SE that costs $32,420, you have a right to be pissed. The Toyota is a great little sports car, lots of get up and go . . . but it's not the same as the Porsche: you overpaid and you didn't get what you ordered.
We invested in the #2 pick in the draft. What we expected was a perennial All-Star in the making. BI is a credible NBA player/starter. But he's not what we wanted with the #2 pick. |
Flawed argument.
You're assuming that a Porsche 991 GT2 RS is available every year. |
Lovin the Porsche talk. GT2 RS is a beast. |
Out of the thousands of cars I've driven, Porsche is definitely my favorite brand.
I get dumb excited when Laker players buy them for personal vehicles.
But if BI is a Porsche, it's the 2019 Cayenne. Practical, versatile at a lot of different things, not a specialist at any one thing, but every family needs that kind of practicality. Slightly misplaced in the Porsche lineup. |
Yeah, man. bought a 991.1 Turbo a couple years ago and I'm loving it. I'm hoping we can get a GT3 RS or at least a Turbo S caliber player this summer to compliment our GT2 RS (Lebron). 
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Sentient Meat
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| Lazlow wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | Lazlow wrote: | If he does stick around and fills out a bit he could be the fringe starter/role player on some championship team.
Probably looking at a James Posey level player here. |
You’re blind hatred is amusing. |
It just undermines his credibility for future posts.
You can understand the Odom, Batum, Tayshaun comps...
When you see a Posey comp... it's like wearing a sandwich board on your chest that says "I've gone full troll... Nothing to see here" |
You act like Posey wasn't a decent player and wasn't a key component to that Miami Heat title. |
So was Udonis Haslem... but you don't just throw out random players to get a rise out of people.
It's like you're not even trying to feign objectivity. |
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| Lazlow wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | Lazlow wrote: | If he does stick around and fills out a bit he could be the fringe starter/role player on some championship team.
Probably looking at a James Posey level player here. |
You’re blind hatred is amusing. |
It just undermines his credibility for future posts.
You can understand the Odom, Batum, Tayshaun comps...
When you see a Posey comp... it's like wearing a sandwich board on your chest that says "I've gone full troll... Nothing to see here" |
You act like Posey wasn't a decent player and wasn't a key component to that Miami Heat title. |
You act like Posey wasn’t an 8 ppg player for like the vast majority of his career. |
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Posey was a niceness player but a one trick pony both ways. BI has a much greater ceiling.
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| governator wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Are y'all just gonna call BI EVERY tall slender NBA player that ever played in the NBA? Teyshaun Prince, Batum, James Posey, Giannis (before bulking), young KD,.... |
Darius Miles, Kirilenko,... |
Those are other tall slender players I also seen him compared too. |
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| where24happens wrote: | | I’ve noticed the team is going less and less to ingram on offense now. I think they have begun to realize he’s not a very good scorer and part of it is Ingram realizing it too and being a more willing passer. I have to assume coaching is responsible for much of this. |
I think he is just sharpening his playmaking ability, while playing within the offense. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Posey was a niceness player but a one trick pony both ways. BI has a much greater ceiling. |
BI already practically equalized Posey's 2 best years ever as an NBA player.
This is definitely not a good comparison.
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Luminous8
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| 1ngr4m wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | Lazlow wrote: | If he does stick around and fills out a bit he could be the fringe starter/role player on some championship team.
Probably looking at a James Posey level player here. |
You’re blind hatred is amusing. |
It just undermines his credibility for future posts.
You can understand the Odom, Batum, Tayshaun comps...
When you see a Posey comp... it's like wearing a sandwich board on your chest that says "I've gone full troll... Nothing to see here" |
He's the Pippen to Big Bol's MJ |
This is exactly what I thought when I read that last post. |
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I argue Ingram has a low ceiling because he really doesn't have any elite talents and isn't very athletic. I've always liked Lonzo more than Ingram because he has legitimate high-level skills. I'd rather have a player with elite skills who also has clear weaknesses than a guy who's decent at nearly everything, but elite at nothing.
People like Ingram because he seems to have no awful weaknesses, but his shooting is starting to become one. He's really regressed at both the FT line and from 3. |
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| Japago wrote: | I argue Ingram has a low ceiling because he really doesn't have any elite talents and isn't very athletic. I've always liked Lonzo more than Ingram because he has legitimate high-level skills. I'd rather have a player with elite skills who also has clear weaknesses than a guy who's decent at nearly everything, but elite at nothing.
People like Ingram because he seems to have no awful weaknesses, but his shooting is starting to become one. He's really regressed at both the FT line and from 3. |
Who likes Ingram?
And no he doesn’t have an elite skill at anything, but the fact he’s pretty good at everything at a YOUNG 21 tells me he has a real chance at still developing and honing his skills until they’re all at an above average level (despite maybe long range shooting. We shall see there) |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Any Ingram comparison has to have ball-handling ability or it doesn't make much sense. |
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| His ability to score is now poorer than Zo. At least Zo now finishes better at the rim, and Zo is capable of making decent percentage of his threes from game to game. Ingram on the other hand just can’t score any way you can imagine. |
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