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matrixskillz
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BI will never be a major piece on a championship team. He brings too many liabilities and refuses to play within his means.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Until the OT BI looked horrible. His FT shooting is getting better. |
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yinoma2001
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Hot take Sunday. Sheesh.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Hot take Sunday. Sheesh. |
The amount of post padding I see in this thread is GAME THREAD-like.
It's like people have an alarm on their phone. And when it goes off people get a reminder to repeat the same stuff in this thread they've said a million times.
I wouldn't even call it a hot take. Cause a hot take implies freshness. The takes are cold and stale.
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The quicker the coaching staff understands to play off the ball the better he is going to look
He should have 0 ball handling duties |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | The quicker the coaching staff understands to play off the ball the better he is going to look
He should have 0 ball handling duties |
u r in 4 a rough week...  |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | The quicker the coaching staff understands to play off the ball the better he is going to look
He should have 0 ball handling duties |
This post makes absolutely zero sense. He doesn’t have the ball in his hands every possession, and when he does, he’s a threat.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | The quicker the coaching staff understands to play off the ball the better he is going to look
He should have 0 ball handling duties |
Yea because having sharpshooter BI off the ball is going to make us so dangerous.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Ingram disgusted me after Zo went down. I’m hoping it was a function of him being ill-prepared to take over PG responsibilities.
He earned some of my confidence back in OT, but he’s really got to learn how to play under control and pick his spots better. When he locks in he looks like Durant-lite; when he’s out there pounding the rock and throwing the ball into the stands he looks like an amalgamation of Wesley Johnson and Vladimir Radmanovic. |
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Inverse wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | The quicker the coaching staff understands to play off the ball the better he is going to look
He should have 0 ball handling duties |
This post makes absolutely zero sense. He doesn’t have the ball in his hands every possession, and when he does, he’s a threat. |
More like to about to happen or an tough iso jumper after 12/14 sec aimless dribbles
Also nobody said he has ball in his hands on every possession. |
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Jesusdelonla
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| CantStopJM wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | The quicker the coaching staff understands to play off the ball the better he is going to look
He should have 0 ball handling duties |
Yea because having sharpshooter BI off the ball is going to make us so dangerous.
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So he can't move without the ball, make cuts and get easy shots/layups/dunks?
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He does need to set up the offense quicker. Saw a bunch of times he was at the top of the key starting the set with less than 13 seconds on the shot clock.
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | The quicker the coaching staff understands to play off the ball the better he is going to look
He should have 0 ball handling duties |
Yea because having sharpshooter BI off the ball is going to make us so dangerous.
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So he can't move without the ball, make cuts and get easy shots? |
Sure he can but there's a reason why he has the ball in his hands right now. Him and Lonzo(pre-injury) were the only ones who could set up the offense. In case you forgot, he had 11 assists against OKC but yea, let's take the ball out of his hands. He's also the only one who can create his own shot in the halfcourt other than Bron on this team. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | He does need to set up the offense quicker. Saw a bunch of times he was at the top of the key starting the set with less than 13 seconds on the shot clock. |
Call a play, call off the play, ask for a screen, then don't use the screen... That's a pretty typical BI possession. |
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Using simple numbers like PPG, RPG, APG do not accurately reflect how well Ingram is doing relative to everyone else.
If we are looking at ranking we are really looking at median but to make it easier will still refer to it as avg.
Total rebound % 6.7 ranks around 290 out 469 players. Below avg
AST% (13.1) ranks 195 out of 469. Slightly above avg.
AST/TO 1.12 ranks 325 out of 469. Below avg.
TS% 52.1 ranks 315 out of 469. Below avg.
ORTg 105.4 ranks 244 out of 469, slightly below avg
DRTg 104.2 ranks 164 out of 469, above avg
0.9 deflections for game. Bottom half of the league, should be much better.
% of loose balls recovered 38%. Again bottom 1/4 of the league.
He is above avg in contesting shots. 8 per game.
Coaches needs to focus on the things he should already be good at and not try to make him into something he doesn't have the skills for at this point. |
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matrixskillz
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| greenfrog wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | He does need to set up the offense quicker. Saw a bunch of times he was at the top of the key starting the set with less than 13 seconds on the shot clock. |
Call a play, call off the play, ask for a screen, then don't use the screen... That's a pretty typical BI possession. |
Then proceed to brick a contested mid range jumper.
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| CantStopJM wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | The quicker the coaching staff understands to play off the ball the better he is going to look
He should have 0 ball handling duties |
Yea because having sharpshooter BI off the ball is going to make us so dangerous.
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So he can't move without the ball, make cuts and get easy shots? |
Sure he can but there's a reason why he has the ball in his hands right now. Him and Lonzo(pre-injury) were the only ones who could set up the offense. In case you forgot, he had 11 assists against OKC but yea, let's take the ball out of his hands. He's also the only one who can create his own shot in the halfcourt other than Bron on this team. |
Sure he can create his shot after dribbling the ball aimlessly for 12/14 seconds and then taking a super tough shot.
Luke has called out multiple times: people need to move the ball. He is talking about bi there
We have lost more games cause of him handling the ball then win games |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Brandon Ingram directly after Lonzo went down.
Played horrible, was rushing things, trying to do too much, turning over the ball. Had about 8 points going into the 4th Quarter and was shooting a horrible percentage.
Ingram in the 4th, and all of OT
Played fantastic, within his means, and was one of the major reasons we had a chance at the end.
Ultimately finished with 21 Points 5 Rebounds and 4 Assists on 58.3% Shooting and 50% from three which is the big one he hit in OT.
Considering the previous 3 quarters, him finishing as efficiently as he did and as well as he did is a good sign. And nothing about it was empty, the team needed every bit of what he was doing, and the game wasn't out of reach when he did it. We were in it, because he did it.
As aggressive as some seem to take credit, they should exercise giving credit for how Ingram turned it around, when he easily could have continued playing bad and packed it in.
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | The quicker the coaching staff understands to play off the ball the better he is going to look
He should have 0 ball handling duties |
Yea because having sharpshooter BI off the ball is going to make us so dangerous.
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So he can't move without the ball, make cuts and get easy shots? |
Sure he can but there's a reason why he has the ball in his hands right now. Him and Lonzo(pre-injury) were the only ones who could set up the offense. In case you forgot, he had 11 assists against OKC but yea, let's take the ball out of his hands. He's also the only one who can create his own shot in the halfcourt other than Bron on this team. |
Sure he can create his shot after dribbling the ball aimlessly for 12/14 seconds and then taking a super tough shot.
Luke has called out multiple times: people need to move the ball. He is talking about bi there
We have lost more games cause of him handling the ball then win games |
Exactly, to me his constant dribbling without any intention is a sign of indecisiveness. He does not have the confidence in his game to do anything offensively but yet wants to hold on to the ball. |
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| You guys are here arguing about BI while the NFC championship games is going on. watch the rams guys and go to the off topic forum |
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A couple of interesting comments in Pincus' article today from a former NBA GM weighing in on Ingram's defense. I'll let you guess who the video analyst who disagreed was.
| Quote: | | "Kuzma is not a good defender, but [he's] not as much of a liability as [Brandon] Ingram. Part of that may be positional. Ingram has to guard the elite wings at some level, although the Lakers try to hide him with [Josh] Hart and interesting cross-matches. Kuzma gets the 4s and 5s that aren't very good offensively. He also plays harder than Brandon." |
| Quote: | "I'm not an Ingram guy. I don't like the inefficiency and style of play," he said. "I respect the scoring ability, but he doesn't separate with a live ball and hasn't shown to be a consistent three-point shooter. We know how much that hurts [in today's game]. He's a good finisher and gets to the line. Defensively he's brutal, and with his style of play and lack of shooting, I'm probably lowest on him."
The video analyst accepted some of the defensive criticism, but not to the same degree.
"I don't agree that he's a disaster overall. He's superb on the ball, and he's better off of it [than he was last season], even if he's not [good] yet. He's not getting back-cut nearly as often this year, but no, [Ingram] doesn't do nearly enough with his length." |
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2816614-he-has-the-highest-value-kyle-kuzma-emerging-as-lakers-best-young-talent |
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matrixskillz
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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^not surprised by these takes. For all the talk about his length, he doesn’t create as much impact defensively as you’d expect.
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| matrixskillz wrote: | | ^not surprised by these takes. For all the talk about his length, he doesn’t create as much impact defensively as you’d expect. |
he doesn't have that help-playmaking knack. A lot of super long wings - AK47 / Isaac , are instinctually active looking for help blocks and contests.. he doesn't have that helping activity
It was really on display on the Gordon 3 to force OT - he was 5-7 feet away ; in the interview after he said he really regrets not contesting that...
maybe some of it is his sleepy personality, he's not a fast-react guy.. |
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matrixskillz
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Yup, there are numerous guys who either outplay their size (Draymond, Smart, Tucker) or use length to their advantage (Lonzo, PG, Covington). BI does neither.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | A couple of interesting comments in Pincus' article today from a former NBA GM weighing in on Ingram's defense. I'll let you guess who the video analyst who disagreed was.
| Quote: | | "Kuzma is not a good defender, but [he's] not as much of a liability as [Brandon] Ingram. Part of that may be positional. Ingram has to guard the elite wings at some level, although the Lakers try to hide him with [Josh] Hart and interesting cross-matches. Kuzma gets the 4s and 5s that aren't very good offensively. He also plays harder than Brandon." |
| Quote: | "I'm not an Ingram guy. I don't like the inefficiency and style of play," he said. "I respect the scoring ability, but he doesn't separate with a live ball and hasn't shown to be a consistent three-point shooter. We know how much that hurts [in today's game]. He's a good finisher and gets to the line. Defensively he's brutal, and with his style of play and lack of shooting, I'm probably lowest on him."
The video analyst accepted some of the defensive criticism, but not to the same degree.
"I don't agree that he's a disaster overall. He's superb on the ball, and he's better off of it [than he was last season], even if he's not [good] yet. He's not getting back-cut nearly as often this year, but no, [Ingram] doesn't do nearly enough with his length." |
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2816614-he-has-the-highest-value-kyle-kuzma-emerging-as-lakers-best-young-talent |
Not sure the GM really watches Ingram. He rips his defense, but Ingram is an average defender at least. Then he praises him as a good finisher who gets to the line. Ingram is TERRIBLE at finishing at the basket lol |
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