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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:27 am    Post subject:

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do people not realize in another year he is likely going to be demanding an extension that will probably average 20mil/year?


Harrison Barnes
Nicolas Batum
LM Aldridge
Serge Ibaka
Aaron Gordon
Danilo Gallinari
Victor Oladipo
Ryan Anderson
Jabari Parker

These are some players making around 24 to 20 million

I don't think Ingram can surpass Oladipo or Aldridge by next season... but all he has to do is show he's better than the rest... or on a clear path to exceed them to justify a 20 million dollar contract.


I don’t think overpaying Ingram because he’s better than other players who have been overpayed for is a wise way to run a team.


I'd sacrifice Ingram if it meant we could sign AD in 2020.

But it would have to be a better player.

Ingram will be better than most players in a few years.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:27 am    Post subject:

Where is this $20M coming from? There is zero chance he demands that and zero chance anyone will pay him that much. If that's the case, easy decision to let him walk and we get some capspace to play with.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:43 am    Post subject:

I'm not sure BI, based on current play, is in a position to demand 20m+.

I think he's more in the line of 12-14m/year, in the Justice Winslow range.

Maybe he breaks out next year, maybe not, but I don't think it's a surefire thing to say he's going to GET 20m+/year.

A lot of the players on SM's list were paid in the summer of 2015 and 16, or were basically 1 year deals (like Jabari).
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:58 am    Post subject:

Big things hurting BI's extension offers are both not being analytic darling and a good fit to the modern game.

I still can't see him accepting less than 10 mil regardless unless we renounce him while pulling a randle due to the market.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:06 am    Post subject:

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I'm not sure BI, based on current play, is in a position to demand 20m+.

I think he's more in the line of 12-14m/year, in the Justice Winslow range.

Maybe he breaks out next year, maybe not, but I don't think it's a surefire thing to say he's going to GET 20m+/year.

A lot of the players on SM's list were paid in the summer of 2015 and 16, or were basically 1 year deals (like Jabari).


Even I would have a hard time paying BI 20 million... but I was only saying that it's not a crazy price if he goes up another few points and improves his TS%, 3 ball% and FT%.

I think we lost a lot of goodwill with the trade debacle... so the sad fallout from that will be that we might have to overpay to make up for injury caused to the youngsters though.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:08 am    Post subject:

im sure some lame team who cant pull in legit stars will overpay for BI. This is why you sell high on a prospect like him and not let this become another Randle situation of him not being good enough to give the salary he wants but then letting him walk for nothing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:08 am    Post subject:

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I'm not sure BI, based on current play, is in a position to demand 20m+.

I think he's more in the line of 12-14m/year, in the Justice Winslow range.

Maybe he breaks out next year, maybe not, but I don't think it's a surefire thing to say he's going to GET 20m+/year.

A lot of the players on SM's list were paid in the summer of 2015 and 16, or were basically 1 year deals (like Jabari).


Even I would have a hard time paying BI 20 million... but I was only saying that it's not a crazy price if he goes up another few points and improves his TS%, 3 ball% and FT%.

I think we lost a lot of goodwill with the trade debacle... so the sad fallout from that will be that we might have to overpay to make up for injury caused to the youngsters though.


I think 3 attempts/%, FT% will be important determining factors in his extension. If he can be league average at those, he'll stand to make more money for sure.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:10 am    Post subject:

His shooting efficiency is going to be the biggest deciding factor on BI being worth a big contract extension or not. He has to get his 3pt attempts up to 3+/gm and hit them at least a league average rate.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:30 am    Post subject:

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His shooting efficiency is going to be the biggest deciding factor on BI being worth a big contract extension or not. He has to get his 3pt attempts up to 3+/gm and hit them at least a league average rate.


Agree... if he doesn't get his FT% over 70... get his 3 ball closer to his 2nd year numbers with more volume... then it's hard to justify.

If I were management, I'd tell him that in advance. Make those marks and we'll pay you. That would ensure he'd work hard on those skills.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:33 am    Post subject:

It should be a motivator for him.

More 3s, 3%, higher FT%, more $$$.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:35 am    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
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His shooting efficiency is going to be the biggest deciding factor on BI being worth a big contract extension or not. He has to get his 3pt attempts up to 3+/gm and hit them at least a league average rate.


Agree... if he doesn't get his FT% over 70... get his 3 ball closer to his 2nd year numbers with more volume... then it's hard to justify.

If I were management, I'd tell him that in advance. Make those marks and we'll pay you. That would ensure he'd work hard on those skills.



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:39 am    Post subject:

but if we do a wait and see approach it would then be too late to trade him.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:42 am    Post subject:

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but if we do a wait and see approach it would then be too late to trade him.


We'd have half a year to gauge improvement on his three.

His scoring at the rim and FT% have already improved from the beginning of this season.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:44 am    Post subject:

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but if we do a wait and see approach it would then be too late to trade him.


We'd have half a year to gauge improvement on his three.

His scoring at the rim and FT% have already improved from the beginning of this season.


The only issue is that players who are impending RFAs seem to get less of a haul.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:48 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
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but if we do a wait and see approach it would then be too late to trade him.


We'd have half a year to gauge improvement on his three.

His scoring at the rim and FT% have already improved from the beginning of this season.


The only issue is that players who are impending RFAs seem to get less of a haul.


a counter point could be he will be a RFA in a good year.....there is really no star power on the market that summer. If AD is traded and resigns....i think Draymond is the biggest name FA that summer? On top of that, those 2016 4 year deals will have finally come off the books.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:50 am    Post subject:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
but if we do a wait and see approach it would then be too late to trade him.


We'd have half a year to gauge improvement on his three.

His scoring at the rim and FT% have already improved from the beginning of this season.


The only issue is that players who are impending RFAs seem to get less of a haul.


a counter point could be he will be a RFA in a good year.....there is really no star power on the market that summer. If AD is traded and resigns....i think Draymond is the biggest name FA that summer? On top of that, those 2016 4 year deals will have finally come off the books.


Maybe. Unless a team absolutely loves a player (see Dallas, Porky), you just get less cost controlled years and have to consider how it affects your long term plans.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:10 pm    Post subject:

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but if we do a wait and see approach it would then be too late to trade him.


TBH, it's already too late trade him if you want any decent value.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:33 pm    Post subject:

dabask11 wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
but if we do a wait and see approach it would then be too late to trade him.


TBH, it's already too late trade him if you want any decent value.


Yup. Like what was mentioned already, players on expiring contracts have significantly less value. Whether they are stars or not, restricted or unrestricted, they have less value than they would have otherwise. Pretty much every trade we've seen recently shows that's the case.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:45 pm    Post subject:

Bi gets more than Winslow imo. Better score, equal defender, Better from mid. Equally bad from three. Much better post play. Justice has about maxed out as a post prime ight imo. Bi probably gets closer to 16-17 on potential alone.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:32 pm    Post subject:

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Bi gets more than Winslow imo. Better score, equal defender, Better from mid. Equally bad from three. Much better post play. Justice has about maxed out as a post prime ight imo. Bi probably gets closer to 16-17 on potential alone.


That's the old Winslow though. The new Winslow is probaly worth more than his current contract due to being a legitimate threat from 3 this season while showing the ability run the POINT on a nightly basis. His new development is the one of main reasons miami has been around despite the roster around them.

If this version of Winslow and Ingram hit the market at the same time, TBH those 2 new things would probably push him ahead of Ingram. Miami got a steal on his contract since it was likely based on his previous perceptions.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:43 pm    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
but if we do a wait and see approach it would then be too late to trade him.


We'd have half a year to gauge improvement on his three.

His scoring at the rim and FT% have already improved from the beginning of this season.

The Lakers don't even have a shooting coach and Ingram shows little interest in shooting 3s, so I wouldn't get my hopes up in terms of major improvement.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:28 pm    Post subject:

dabask11 wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
but if we do a wait and see approach it would then be too late to trade him.


TBH, it's already too late trade him if you want any decent value.


Oh dear, what a shame. I guess we're just stuck with a future top 10 player, whatever shall we do
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:37 pm    Post subject:

For better or worse the AD stuff combined with our current struggles likely killed the trade value of all our young players.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:31 am    Post subject:

drae wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
but if we do a wait and see approach it would then be too late to trade him.


TBH, it's already too late trade him if you want any decent value.


Oh dear, what a shame. I guess we're just stuck with a future top 10 player, whatever shall we do


LOL lets have BI show he can put up a really GOOD season before we say he's a future top 10 player.

It also doesn't help he plays for a team with a FO that fails at player development along with Lebron's presence.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:55 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
I'm not sure BI, based on current play, is in a position to demand 20m+.

I think he's more in the line of 12-14m/year, in the Justice Winslow range.

Maybe he breaks out next year, maybe not, but I don't think it's a surefire thing to say he's going to GET 20m+/year.

A lot of the players on SM's list were paid in the summer of 2015 and 16, or were basically 1 year deals (like Jabari).


Summer of 19 and 20 will be similar to 15 and 16. I think teams will be a bit wiser than they were in 15 and 16, but for a player of Ingram’s age, one of the teams with a boatload of cappace will make a run at him.

I could easily see Atlanta or eve Indiana throw a lot of money at him. It would be a very low risk move for them.
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