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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 6:17 am    Post subject:

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Brandon Ingram is THE youngest player to achieve a top 5% One on One talent grade in our database at @The_BBall_Index (2013-19 seasons). 0 players over that span have a better rating in our One on One metric at a younger age.

https://twitter.com/T1m_NBA/status/1128529412922671104


Sounds like an advanced metric... some people will not be happy.

GT called him worst starter in the NBA at one point cuz of advanced metrics


He was -- at one point.

That point, is not the same point referenced in the statistic above.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 6:19 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
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Chad09 wrote:
Brandon Ingram is THE youngest player to achieve a top 5% One on One talent grade in our database at @The_BBall_Index (2013-19 seasons). 0 players over that span have a better rating in our One on One metric at a younger age.

https://twitter.com/T1m_NBA/status/1128529412922671104


Sounds like an advanced metric... some people will not be happy.

GT called him worst starter in the NBA at one point cuz of advanced metrics


He was -- at one point.

That point, is not the same point referenced in the statistic above.


Boxscore analysts have their purpose in the NBA...and it should never be within the scouting department.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 11:33 am    Post subject:

Those who are hyper critical of Ingram will simply say their criticisms were justified at the time they made them. Which makes drawn out debates with them pointless. They can never be wrong.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 11:40 am    Post subject:

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Those who are hyper critical of Ingram will simply say their criticisms were justified at the time they made them. Which makes drawn out debates with them pointless. They can never be wrong.


Yea, it's tough. Like many young players the parameters have to be explained. Is one talking about the current state of the player? Are they taking into account the player's development? Do they think the player will not improve?

I think the BI supporters were thinking BI at the young age would improve. Those that are against BI, perhaps they didn't think he would improve? Hard to tell.

And yet there are still some who wouldn't mind trading BI now. Insane
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 11:47 am    Post subject:

health is the biggest concern. he was balling before he went down. but still..he's a ball stopper on offense...
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:46 pm    Post subject:

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health is the biggest concern. he was balling before he went down. but still..he's a ball stopper on offense...

any updates???
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:09 pm    Post subject:

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health is the biggest concern. he was balling before he went down. but still..he's a ball stopper on offense...

this part cant be ignored. He clearly is not an optimum fit in a Lebron offense and that gets 5x worse when you then add in Kyrie or Kawhi.
If AD trade doesnt happen I'm all for seeing what we could get for him in a different trade
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:16 pm    Post subject:

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Thugnomoe wrote:
health is the biggest concern. he was balling before he went down. but still..he's a ball stopper on offense...

this part cant be ignored. He clearly is not an optimum fit in a Lebron offense and that gets 5x worse when you then add in Kyrie or Kawhi.
If AD trade doesnt happen I'm all for seeing what we could get for him in a different trade


Or let him run the second unit. If we get Kawhi, start either Kuz or Hart and BI plays the Ginobli/Lamar role.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 5:36 pm    Post subject:

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Those who are hyper critical of Ingram will simply say their criticisms were justified at the time they made them. Which makes drawn out debates with them pointless. They can never be wrong.


Man it's the off-season, give the indignation a rest, my god.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 6:16 pm    Post subject:

BigGameHames wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
Thugnomoe wrote:
health is the biggest concern. he was balling before he went down. but still..he's a ball stopper on offense...

this part cant be ignored. He clearly is not an optimum fit in a Lebron offense and that gets 5x worse when you then add in Kyrie or Kawhi.
If AD trade doesnt happen I'm all for seeing what we could get for him in a different trade


Or let him run the second unit. If we get Kawhi, start either Kuz or Hart and BI plays the Ginobli/Lamar role.


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 7:31 pm    Post subject:

BigGameHames wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
Thugnomoe wrote:
health is the biggest concern. he was balling before he went down. but still..he's a ball stopper on offense...

this part cant be ignored. He clearly is not an optimum fit in a Lebron offense and that gets 5x worse when you then add in Kyrie or Kawhi.
If AD trade doesnt happen I'm all for seeing what we could get for him in a different trade


Or let him run the second unit. If we get Kawhi, start either Kuz or Hart and BI plays the Ginobli/Lamar role.


Bench BI at all costs!!!
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 7:36 pm    Post subject:

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Those who are hyper critical of Ingram will simply say their criticisms were justified at the time they made them. Which makes drawn out debates with them pointless. They can never be wrong.


Man it's the off-season, give the indignation a rest, my god.


Umm I was responding to a post.. calm yourself.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 7:39 pm    Post subject:

pio2u wrote:
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health is the biggest concern. he was balling before he went down. but still..he's a ball stopper on offense...

any updates???

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 7:51 pm    Post subject:

audioaxes wrote:
Thugnomoe wrote:
health is the biggest concern. he was balling before he went down. but still..he's a ball stopper on offense...

this part cant be ignored. He clearly is not an optimum fit in a Lebron offense and that gets 5x worse when you then add in Kyrie or Kawhi.
If AD trade doesnt happen I'm all for seeing what we could get for him in a different trade


Ty Lue had the right idea about staggering Lebron and BI's minutes.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 7:28 am    Post subject:

Ziggy wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
Thugnomoe wrote:
health is the biggest concern. he was balling before he went down. but still..he's a ball stopper on offense...

this part cant be ignored. He clearly is not an optimum fit in a Lebron offense and that gets 5x worse when you then add in Kyrie or Kawhi.
If AD trade doesnt happen I'm all for seeing what we could get for him in a different trade


Ty Lue had the right idea about staggering Lebron and BI's minutes.
Nope.. BI produced 26ppg after ASB with lebron playing.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 7:30 am    Post subject:

Lakerchaq wrote:
Ziggy wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
Thugnomoe wrote:
health is the biggest concern. he was balling before he went down. but still..he's a ball stopper on offense...

this part cant be ignored. He clearly is not an optimum fit in a Lebron offense and that gets 5x worse when you then add in Kyrie or Kawhi.
If AD trade doesnt happen I'm all for seeing what we could get for him in a different trade


Ty Lue had the right idea about staggering Lebron and BI's minutes.
Nope.. BI produced 26ppg after ASB with lebron playing.


Can you tell me the team's record in that span
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 7:32 am    Post subject:

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Those who are hyper critical of Ingram will simply say their criticisms were justified at the time they made them. Which makes drawn out debates with them pointless. They can never be wrong.


Man it's the off-season, give the indignation a rest, my god.


You act like the haters have given trying to trade him a rest.

First it was questioning his skills... now that he proved them somewhat... they continue to go after his health.

Sure, that's a fair concern but it's not like these supporters are debating themselves.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 8:01 am    Post subject:

LKA wrote:
Lakerchaq wrote:
Ziggy wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
Thugnomoe wrote:
health is the biggest concern. he was balling before he went down. but still..he's a ball stopper on offense...

this part cant be ignored. He clearly is not an optimum fit in a Lebron offense and that gets 5x worse when you then add in Kyrie or Kawhi.
If AD trade doesnt happen I'm all for seeing what we could get for him in a different trade


Ty Lue had the right idea about staggering Lebron and BI's minutes.
Nope.. BI produced 26ppg after ASB with lebron playing.


Can you tell me the team's record in that span


three of those games were with Kuz at center

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingrabr01/gamelog/2019/#185-190-sum:pgl_basic
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 8:04 am    Post subject:

Luminous8 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
Thugnomoe wrote:
health is the biggest concern. he was balling before he went down. but still..he's a ball stopper on offense...

this part cant be ignored. He clearly is not an optimum fit in a Lebron offense and that gets 5x worse when you then add in Kyrie or Kawhi.
If AD trade doesnt happen I'm all for seeing what we could get for him in a different trade


Or let him run the second unit. If we get Kawhi, start either Kuz or Hart and BI plays the Ginobli/Lamar role.


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A poster said they would trade him. I came up with an alternative solution while comparing him to two stars with rings. The Ingram stans search for reasons to (bleep) and moan
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:12 am    Post subject:

Not sure hows his health, any updates please but given how he finished last year, this should be his breakout season.
He should really emulate Kawhi. He can play that game, Kawhi is probably a better comparison for him than KD anyway though he is built more like KD.
If everything is okay with his health no reason he shouldnt come back next season with 15-20 extra pounds and averaging over 20 ppg.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:14 am    Post subject:

Hope he gained some weight while recovering. He should be close to picking up a ball middle of next month will be 3 months
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:25 am    Post subject:

BigGameHames wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
Thugnomoe wrote:
health is the biggest concern. he was balling before he went down. but still..he's a ball stopper on offense...

this part cant be ignored. He clearly is not an optimum fit in a Lebron offense and that gets 5x worse when you then add in Kyrie or Kawhi.
If AD trade doesnt happen I'm all for seeing what we could get for him in a different trade


Or let him run the second unit. If we get Kawhi, start either Kuz or Hart and BI plays the Ginobli/Lamar role.

I agree, smartest thing to do if we had both Kawhi, Lebron and BI is let BI come off the bench and try to destroy the other team's bench units or at the very least stagger his minutes where there is never time when atleast one of the big 3 is not on the floor.
But he will be a very expensive 6th man then.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:30 am    Post subject:

audioaxes wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
Thugnomoe wrote:
health is the biggest concern. he was balling before he went down. but still..he's a ball stopper on offense...

this part cant be ignored. He clearly is not an optimum fit in a Lebron offense and that gets 5x worse when you then add in Kyrie or Kawhi.
If AD trade doesnt happen I'm all for seeing what we could get for him in a different trade


Or let him run the second unit. If we get Kawhi, start either Kuz or Hart and BI plays the Ginobli/Lamar role.

I agree, smartest thing to do if we had both Kawhi, Lebron and BI is let BI come off the bench and try to destroy the other team's bench units or at the very least stagger his minutes where there is never time when atleast one of the big 3 is not on the floor.
But he will be a very expensive 6th man then.


We have him cheap for another year. Letโ€™s cross that bridge once we get there. We could have Kuz and Hunter/Culver at that time as well so weโ€™d hsve replacements. Having those 5 guys on the wing would be a great problem to have.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 4:31 pm    Post subject:

After today I'm really interested in seeing how Vogel plans on using Ingram.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 4:42 pm    Post subject:

Practice wrote:
After today I'm really interested in seeing how Vogel plans on using Ingram.


On offense he prioritizes FT's, layups, and corner three's.. in that order.. Ingram should be okay.
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