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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:33 am    Post subject:

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I honestly don't know what the difference is in risking injury in the summer league, preseason and regular season. Logically, mathematically, it doesn't make sense to me. What are you keeping him away from? Like, do you really feel better if got he injured in Preseason rather than Summer league? Regular season rather than preseason?

If Adam Silver says the Lakers get a bye, and are in the playoffs no matter what their record is, then I would understand shutting him down. Heck, shut him down for all 82 games. But at what point are you defeating the purpose of growing, improving and developing?

You wanna shut him down now to get him ready for pre-season. Then you wanna shut him down in pre-season to get ready for the regular season LOL! All that doesn't prevent him from spraining his ankles in game one of the regular season, or tripping down the stairs in his home.

If the kid can play, he needs to be out there improving his game. For all we know, he may have played like crap in his second game. He hasn't "arrived" yet as a super star, let him play... if he can.


Let's start with what the objectives are in summer league. Given the objectives, ask yourself if having Ingram (who is already nursing an injury) out on the floor meets any objective.


I'm saying if he's healthy. Sorry if I didn't clarify that. If he's nursing an injury. Sit out.

But if he's sitting out and healthy, that's something else. And isn't one of the objectives is to get better as a player? Sitting out when healthy to prevent injury makes no sense to me. The rationale is illogical to me. This is a bit of a tangent, but the idea of illogical rationale reminds me of Phil's greatest BS, the idea of not calling timeouts to let them learn and play through it. Bull crap. If you can really learn to play through runs, then eventually you would graduate this course, and be a group of guys who will always come back from behind. But that's not the case. The NBA is a game of runs. There is no such thing as mastering "playing through" it.

lol....Phil's philosophy when it came to playing through mistakes was a means to empowering them as a group, as well as causing them to bond.

Although it's somewhat unlikely that Phil would've held his timeouts as close to the vest had he been a product of this era in the NBA. You see coaches call extremely quick timeouts now (which admittedly gets irritating at times) because the tide turns so much faster in a modern game due to the pace. A 15 point lead was a lot more comfortable 10 years ago when the game was played a lot slower. Now it's like having a 5 point lead almost. With the speed of the modern game and the high volume of three point shots, big leads evaporate right before your eyes in a quick way that they didn't over 10 years ago. So just like all great coaches and players, Phil was a product of his time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:41 am    Post subject:

Really looking forward to how his shot ends up this season. From that 3 he made clearly saw a higher release point and quicker shot motion than last year. The free throw were money too. Looked automatic


Bring on the preseason
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:36 pm    Post subject:

I know you guys will probably hate me for this but does it seem like Brandon likes isoing a bit too much? Even last season I thought to myself on more than a few occasions, "make the simple play".
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:09 pm    Post subject:

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I know you guys will probably hate me for this but does it seem like Brandon likes isoing a bit too much? Even last season I thought to myself on more than a few occasions, "make the simple play".


He's nothing but coachable so I assume this is partially by design. Any NBA offense is going to need someone that can score in isolation. With DLo and Lou gone, that burden falls largely on Ingram. No better way than to develop those skills/mentality than trying it out during a game.

I do think he pounds the dribble a bit, but I think that's a function of his body, not mentality. Ingram strikes me as a quick worker - he likes to get them ball and go - so any pounding I think comes from an inability to shoulder past his man, not a flawed thought process or poor reading of the defense.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:11 pm    Post subject:

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I know you guys will probably hate me for this but does it seem like Brandon likes isoing a bit too much? Even last season I thought to myself on more than a few occasions, "make the simple play".


He's nothing but coachable so I assume this is partially by design. Any NBA offense is going to need someone that can score in isolation. With DLo and Lou gone, that burden falls largely on Ingram. No better way than to develop those skills/mentality than trying it out during a game.

I do think he pounds the dribble a bit, but I think that's a function of his body, not mentality. Ingram strikes me as a quick worker - he likes to get them ball and go - so any pounding I think comes from an inability to shoulder past his man, not a flawed thought process or poor reading of the defense.


Yea I hear you, and agree that he is extremely coachable. It was just something I noticed about his game.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:14 pm    Post subject:

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Kobe would have told Magic or West to F off. Agree or not, that is the player he was. But to get back on topic, I have no issue with shutting Ingram down but if they are that concerned, shut him down completely until he heals. It is July, there will be plenty of time to practice.

Lol...second year Kobe? No he wouldn't have. He would've thought it and probably would've wanted to say it, but he hadn't earned the status to say "F you" to anyone in the FO in his second year yet.


Way to miss out on the conversation.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:16 pm    Post subject:

defense wrote:
I know you guys will probably hate me for this but does it seem like Brandon likes isoing a bit too much? Even last season I thought to myself on more than a few occasions, "make the simple play".


If you're not a good catch/shooter , you're probably going to try to ISO to get points...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:22 pm    Post subject:

defense wrote:
I know you guys will probably hate me for this but does it seem like Brandon likes isoing a bit too much? Even last season I thought to myself on more than a few occasions, "make the simple play".


That's how most young guys come into the league(except Lonzo of course.) They don't know much about the game of basketball so they fall back onto what they've been doing their whole lives, ISO ball.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:24 pm    Post subject:

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defense wrote:
I know you guys will probably hate me for this but does it seem like Brandon likes isoing a bit too much? Even last season I thought to myself on more than a few occasions, "make the simple play".


If you're not a good catch/shooter , you're probably going to try to ISO to get points...


He didn't force it tho, his first step was beating the defender consistently
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:27 pm    Post subject:

Cutheon wrote:
defense wrote:
I know you guys will probably hate me for this but does it seem like Brandon likes isoing a bit too much? Even last season I thought to myself on more than a few occasions, "make the simple play".


He's nothing but coachable so I assume this is partially by design. Any NBA offense is going to need someone that can score in isolation. With DLo and Lou gone, that burden falls largely on Ingram. No better way than to develop those skills/mentality than trying it out during a game.

I do think he pounds the dribble a bit, but I think that's a function of his body, not mentality. Ingram strikes me as a quick worker - he likes to get them ball and go - so any pounding I think comes from an inability to shoulder past his man, not a flawed thought process or poor reading of the defense.


I do see BI iso'ing but it doesn't feel forced to me, the way it does with someone like Melo.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:29 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
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defense wrote:
I know you guys will probably hate me for this but does it seem like Brandon likes isoing a bit too much? Even last season I thought to myself on more than a few occasions, "make the simple play".


If you're not a good catch/shooter , you're probably going to try to ISO to get points...


He didn't force it tho, his first step was beating the defender consistently


And it wasn't like Tatum where he dribbled the varnish off the side of the floor. I do understand defense's point, though. I think as long he's the only guy doing it in the starting lineup it's manageable, and wont totally kill ball movement.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:30 pm    Post subject:

Brandon's one on one plays the other game were completely within the offense. He wasn't a ball stopper. The larger problem is off the Ball movement. Because there is less structure in summer league and less familiarity between teammates, the play also lends itself to isolation. That gets better as they play more games, but it is what it is.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:34 pm    Post subject:

Did anyone catch BI's interview with Ramona during the 4th quarter yesterday? Kid sounds way more confident than last year, even a bit cocky in a good way. I'll admit I was a little worried about how much of an alpha he had in him because of his tendency to defer so much and disappear earlier in the season, and also his quiet/timid nature, but all that has gone out the window lately. He keeps saying he's going back to his ways, whatever that means. Can't wait till he works out with Kobe, takes his trash talking to the next level, and starts dropping lines about leopards falling out of trees and such
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:35 pm    Post subject:

I would like to see Luke move him around both to set screens and to get to opens spots this season. The isolation is not a bad thing in itself but movement helps to make for a much more dynamic offense IMO. Also, similar to Randle, I want to see him get out on the break quickly. I'm sure we will see some of that this season (I hope).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:39 pm    Post subject:

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Brandon's one on one plays the other game were completely within the offense. He wasn't a ball stopper. The larger problem is off the Ball movement. Because there is less structure in summer league and less familiarity between teammates, the play also lends itself to isolation. That gets better as they play more games, but it is what it is.


Agreed and even with that, I think he showed flashes of being a strong finisher and a potential closer because he was not afraid to stay on the attack. This kid's confidence level is soaring.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:40 pm    Post subject:

Sixers gonna regret not taking him with the #1 pick
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:23 pm    Post subject:

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Sixers gonna regret not taking him with the #1 pick


He's gonna be the best player from that draft easily
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:55 pm    Post subject:

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Brandon's one on one plays the other game were completely within the offense. He wasn't a ball stopper. The larger problem is off the Ball movement. Because there is less structure in summer league and less familiarity between teammates, the play also lends itself to isolation. That gets better as they play more games, but it is what it is.


Agreed and even with that, I think he showed flashes of being a strong finisher and a potential closer because he was not afraid to stay on the attack. This kid's confidence level is soaring.


I think he was given the go ahead to play like that. He's really the only one on that squad who can fill that role.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:02 pm    Post subject:

defense wrote:
I know you guys will probably hate me for this but does it seem like Brandon likes isoing a bit too much? Even last season I thought to myself on more than a few occasions, "make the simple play".

Yeah I thought the same thing. But I think it'll be invaluable as he learns to harness that into a more egalitarian style of play.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:13 pm    Post subject:

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Sixers gonna regret not taking him with the #1 pick


I don't think they'll regret picking Simmons over Ingram.

They'll regret picking Okafor over Porzingis.

I think if the Sixers had drafted Porzingis, the next move they should have made was a future 1st in 2018 and the late 1st in 2017 to us for D'Angelo Russell if they were still keen on trading him. If the Lakers bit on that, then the 76ers lineup this season would be

D'Angelo Russell
Markelle Fultz
Ben Simmons
Kristaps Porzingis
Joel Embiid

Which would be frightening.

but fortunately the Sixers didn't draft Porzingis
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:18 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
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Sixers gonna regret not taking him with the #1 pick


I don't think they'll regret picking Simmons over Ingram.

They'll regret picking Okafor over Porzingis.

I think if the Sixers had drafted Porzingis, the next move they should have made was a future 1st in 2018 and the late 1st in 2017 to us for D'Angelo Russell if they were still keen on trading him. If the Lakers bit on that, then the 76ers lineup this season would be

D'Angelo Russell
Markelle Fultz
Ben Simmons
Kristaps Porzingis
Joel Embiid

Which would be frightening.

but fortunately the Sixers didn't draft Porzingis


Nah, they gonna regret not taking Ingram #1, Lonzo #1, Randle #3, did I miss anybody?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:30 pm    Post subject:

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defense wrote:
I know you guys will probably hate me for this but does it seem like Brandon likes isoing a bit too much? Even last season I thought to myself on more than a few occasions, "make the simple play".

Yeah I thought the same thing. But I think it'll be invaluable as he learns to harness that into a more egalitarian style of play.


i thought ingram made the right plays, and passed/moved the ball when he needed to. i just feel like in summer league, if he has a mismatch, which would probably be most of the time, he should take over. if he was missing the shots or taking bad ones he'd probably adjust since he's a team first guy. i dont expect him to be iso'ing as much in the regular season, but for right now in summer league.. he needs to develop that killer instinct and take advantage of the matchup(which should be the right play)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:47 pm    Post subject:

Magic Johnson On Lakers’ Brandon Ingram: ‘This Is A Guy We’re Gonna Build Around’


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Magic Johnson on Brandon Ingram: "This is a guy we're gonna build around. This is a guy we feel has All-Star potential."



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:15 pm    Post subject:

I love the vote of confidence from Brandon Ingram, dude's gonna show out this season
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:33 pm    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
defense wrote:
I know you guys will probably hate me for this but does it seem like Brandon likes isoing a bit too much? Even last season I thought to myself on more than a few occasions, "make the simple play".


If you're not a good catch/shooter , you're probably going to try to ISO to get points...


Exactly what I was thinking. Also with BI he doesn't usually pound the rock. He'll get isolated and make a quick move.
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