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| GoldenThroat wrote: | 1) I'm here for an actual level of tangible expectation on Ingram. That's great and overdue.
2) This is every player in NBA history who scored 20+ppg in their Age 20 season, with what they scored the year before in parentheses.
1) LeBron James.......27.2 (20.9)
2) Kevin Durant........25.3 (20.3)
3) Shaquille O'Neal....23.4 (N/A, rookie)
4) Kyrie Irving..........22.5 (18.5)
5) Devin Booker.........22.1 (13.8)
6) Carmelo Anthony...20.8 (21.0)
7) Anthony Davis.......20.8 (13.5)
8) Andrew Wiggins.....20.7 (16.9)
9) Adrian Dantley.......20.3 (N/A, rookie)
10) Elton Brand.........20.1 (N/A, rookie)
11) Tyreke Evans.......20.1 (N/A, rookie)
Brandon Ingram scored 9.4ppg last year and scored 20 points TWICE, while playing 28.8mpg, but he's gonna AVERAGE 20 per game this year? That's going from the laughably low (tangible) expectations on him to laughably high. You're expecting him to make (by far) the biggest leap in NBA history at his age. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Ingram should be the #1 option on this team. So, it's not shocking that Magic said 20PPG
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20ppg? Magic is nuts  |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | 1) I'm here for an actual level of tangible expectation on Ingram. That's great and overdue.
2) This is every player in NBA history who scored 20+ppg in their Age 20 season, with what they scored the year before in parentheses.
1) LeBron James.......27.2 (20.9)
2) Kevin Durant........25.3 (20.3)
3) Shaquille O'Neal....23.4 (N/A, rookie)
4) Kyrie Irving..........22.5 (18.5)
5) Devin Booker.........22.1 (13.8)
6) Carmelo Anthony...20.8 (21.0)
7) Anthony Davis.......20.8 (13.5)
8) Andrew Wiggins.....20.7 (16.9)
9) Adrian Dantley.......20.3 (N/A, rookie)
10) Elton Brand.........20.1 (N/A, rookie)
11) Tyreke Evans.......20.1 (N/A, rookie)
Brandon Ingram scored 9.4ppg last year and scored 20 points TWICE, while playing 28.8mpg, but he's gonna AVERAGE 20 per game this year? That's going from the laughably low (tangible) expectations on him to laughably high. You're expecting him to make (by far) the biggest leap in NBA history at his age. |
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how is he gonna score 20ppg? it's Magic |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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If he averages 38MPG, he might. 10 more minutes a game, adjusted shot and having Lonzo feeding should easily give him an extra 8 PPG. That would bump him to 17.4 PPG. Close enough.
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| ocho wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | 1) I'm here for an actual level of tangible expectation on Ingram. That's great and overdue.
2) This is every player in NBA history who scored 20+ppg in their Age 20 season, with what they scored the year before in parentheses.
1) LeBron James.......27.2 (20.9)
2) Kevin Durant........25.3 (20.3)
3) Shaquille O'Neal....23.4 (N/A, rookie)
4) Kyrie Irving..........22.5 (18.5)
5) Devin Booker.........22.1 (13.8)
6) Carmelo Anthony...20.8 (21.0)
7) Anthony Davis.......20.8 (13.5)
8) Andrew Wiggins.....20.7 (16.9)
9) Adrian Dantley.......20.3 (N/A, rookie)
10) Elton Brand.........20.1 (N/A, rookie)
11) Tyreke Evans.......20.1 (N/A, rookie)
Brandon Ingram scored 9.4ppg last year and scored 20 points TWICE, while playing 28.8mpg, but he's gonna AVERAGE 20 per game this year? That's going from the laughably low (tangible) expectations on him to laughably high. You're expecting him to make (by far) the biggest leap in NBA history at his age. |
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oh man, this is like the inverse of the DLO thread
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| Lakers2015 wrote: | https://twitter.com/lakersnation/status/888836048658194432
20 ppg? I'll be content if Brandon averages 13 or 14. |
I'm not mad at those high expectations at all I think BI is gonna have a huge year myself .. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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As usual, people take Magic too literally.
I think even if we hadn't added Lonzo, a jump to 15ppg would've been expected if the same team came back for another year.
Now let's factor in the loss of Young and DLo. I won't even count Lou because he wasn't here at the end of the season anyway. That'll get him more opportunities.
You factor in the addition of Lopez. I don't see him as being a guy we will go to to carry the offense. He'll be the guy we kick out to in pick n rolls or spoonfeed under the basket. We might dump into him a few possession a game but not as a main option.
KCP will be used more as a 3/D guy in the halfcourt. If he's used as a point of attack then we're doing it wrong. He shoots 40% and only averaged 2.5 assists last season. He needs to be utilized off ball.
Now let's add Lonzo Ball to the equation, pushing the tempo and rewarding guys who cut without the ball and run the floor well.
Unlike everyone else in the starting lineup, Ingram has the ability to create his own offense in the halfcourt. He'll be our go-to guy and point of attack in the halfcourt.
I think 20ppg is probably on the higher end but 17-19ppg shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Magic is just setting the bar high, but if anyone thinks he'd actually be disappointed if Ingram finished the season at 18ppg then they're just taking his words too literally. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Magic can over exaggerate at times. But he is always close to
the truth.
Think 16 ppg average is a definite. 20 ppg next year.
Going from 13 ppg to 16 ppg is natural progression.
Would expect a 18 ppg.
When you average 20 ppg you approach elite status. And
an all star bid. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Only way he gets close is if those 3s drop. I was really, really impressed with the confidence and skills he showed in that summer league game though so I'm not trying to crap on BI when I say I think he's far away from 20ppg. He just needs more time to develop |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe Ingram can average 20 ppg, but I'd much prefer him in the 15-18 range, coupled with a nice bump in his assists & rebounds numbers.
The way Ball infects things with his passing skills, I'd rather see us whipping the competition with insane balanced scoring. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe the OP should have said ~20.
BI's fga increased every month last year from 6 attempts to 12 attempts.
If his attempts increase to about 15 attempts, he can ave 15 easily imo.
Now. If he can increase his ft attempts (ave 3 last year and if summer league is any indication I hope he does) and if his 3 pt shot has really improved he can be near 20 ppg. And this assuming the team will get more shots due to running more.
A lot of ifs right?
I just don't think it's as preposterous as some think it to be.
I say ~18 ppg for BI. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm afraid if Ingram falls well short of that this year that he becomes more and more "touchable", especially considering the circumstances with PG. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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I think a great thing to say would be "he has the potential to score 20ppg" but saying "I'd be disappointed if he doesn't score up towards 20 points a game"?
I anticipate somewhere between 13-15 ppg on better efficiency, I could surely see 15-17.5 (HUGE leap) if he has a solid 3 next year |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I really wanted to see Ingram in another summer league game or two, just to see him consistently destroy everyone. What a huge difference from last year's summer! He was unbelievable in that first game |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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That does it.
I'm on the MIP of the year award train!
Get on! |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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I mean... I'm all for it.
But, realistically, I will be happy if he does at least 15 ppg. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Magic's been spending too much time with Lavar. Either way, here's hoping he's seen something we haven't.  |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | No kidding, I'd be thrilled with a 14-15ppg on solid efficiency scoring season from Ingram considering where he started. We all knew he's a project in development here. I would be gutted if he had a huge jump even to that level but then perhaps became tradable because he's not a 20ppg scorer in his second year. That's a legendary leap Magic is expecting. And making it public? That's so asinine  |
Going down that rabbit hole on twitter right now. Unbelievable.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know why fans want to coddle their young players with potential. Magic knows what it's like to face tons of pressure, and more importantly, he knows how it is to deliver.
If BI or Lonzo are going to buckle to the pressure, then they don't have superstar mentality anyways. Cream rises to the top.
You don't want to give your players too much pressure, but it's better than giving them the message to do things at their leisure.
What makes great players great is how they respond to the levity of the moment. This is only practice for our young guys to become more strong minded. |
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Magic always makes stuff public like that in things he should just remain mum on or give a professional answer. Did it with Russell, will do it with Ingram, doesn't acknowledge Clarkson's existence.
Magic expecting Ingram to be a 20 ppg scorer has everything to do with us getting Lonzo Ball and Magic seeing Lonzo as the 2nd coming of himself. If Ingram doesn't average 20 ppg this year I count on Magic chalking it up to him not being good enough, as opposed to Lonzo just getting his feet wet.
Magic is starting to sound like those "Be an all-star by year 2... OR ELSE" type of basketball operators, which doesn't bode well for young talent or projects that could take 3-4 years to get going.
Words can't describe how it would majorly suck for Magic to trade away a player just a season or two before they start breaking out into all-star form because he wants the impossible task of defeating the Warriors in the next 2 seasons.
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| It's too early to say for sure but I'm getting the same feel from Magic too, MJST. Hopefully he's just talking up his guys, or trying to "speak it into existence" as an infamous philosopher once said |
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| MJST wrote: | Magic always makes stuff public like that in things he should just remain mum on or give a professional answer. Did it with Russell, will do it with Ingram, doesn't acknowledge Clarkson's existence.
Magic expecting Ingram to be a 20 ppg scorer has everything to do with us getting Lonzo Ball and Magic seeing Lonzo as the 2nd coming of himself. If Ingram doesn't average 20 ppg this year I count on Magic chalking it up to him not being good enough, as opposed to Lonzo just getting his feet wet.
Magic is starting to sound like those "Be an all-star by year 2... OR ELSE" type of basketball operators, which doesn't bode well for young talent or projects that could take 3-4 years to get going.
Words can't describe how it would majorly suck for Magic to trade away a player just a season or two before they start breaking out into all-star form because he wants the impossible task of defeating the Warriors in the next 2 seasons. |
The reason Magic is so high on Ingram and made him untouchable is because of his work ethic. He sees what takes place in the gym so he's in a better position to evaluate BI than anyone on this forum. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| My expectations for Ingram's scoring next season really depends on his free throw shooting. There's no way he hits 20 ppg though. |
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Only way Ingram hits 20 ppg is if he was able to average 15-17 ppg a game without counting free throws, and being a 75% free throw shooter going to the line about 4-5 times a game.
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