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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:29 pm    Post subject:

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I think the average of his march/April splits is where he will be this year.


Me too.

We know scoring 19 pts/36 is not the same as playing 36 minutes averaging 19 pts/g, but it is a good indicator that the player is just getting better, just not as much as the stat may show without the proper context, he was under minutes restriction in april.

I expect him to finish next season scoring around 20 with some consistency to keep his untouchable status.

A 20 pts average in his third season is more reasonable than expect it now.
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I think the average of his march/April splits is where he will be this year.


Me too.

We know scoring 19 pts/36 is not the same as playing 36 minutes averaging 19 pts/g, but it is a good indicator that the player is just getting better, just not as much as the stat may show without the proper context, he was under minutes restriction in april.

I expect him to finish next season scoring around 20 with some consistency to keep his untouchable status.

A 20 pts average in his third season is more reasonable than expect it now.


Will depend on his 3s and FTs. If he's getting them mostly on 2s it'll be a tougher road.
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I think the average of his march/April splits is where he will be this year.


Me too.

We know scoring 19 pts/36 is not the same as playing 36 minutes averaging 19 pts/g, but it is a good indicator that the player is just getting better, just not as much as the stat may show without the proper context, he was under minutes restriction in april.

I expect him to finish next season scoring around 20 with some consistency to keep his untouchable status.

A 20 pts average in his third season is more reasonable than expect it now.


Will depend on his 3s and FTs. If he's getting them mostly on 2s it'll be a tougher road.


Lopez can help him a lot opening lanes and hopefully Nance, Kuzma and Randle too.
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Yeah, I can't see Ingram's game regress to where it was at the beginning of last year


That was the biggest thing I was looking for during Vegas. Didn't really see any regression, admittedly through one game.


What do you see his stats for next year?


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Yeah, I can't see Ingram's game regress to where it was at the beginning of last year


That was the biggest thing I was looking for during Vegas. Didn't really see any regression, admittedly through one game.


What do you see his stats for next year?


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Yeah, I can't see Ingram's game regress to where it was at the beginning of last year


That was the biggest thing I was looking for during Vegas. Didn't really see any regression, admittedly through one game.


What do you see his stats for next year?


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I think people expecting Kobe-like progress from rookie year to 2nd year outside of just adding playing time are totally unrealistic.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:51 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Raijin wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
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Yeah, I can't see Ingram's game regress to where it was at the beginning of last year


That was the biggest thing I was looking for during Vegas. Didn't really see any regression, admittedly through one game.


What do you see his stats for next year?


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I think people expecting Kobe-like progress from rookie year to 2nd year outside of just adding playing time are totally unrealistic.


Exactly. I would welcome a dramatic change from Ingram, but I'm not counting on it. I expect Ju to take the big jump this year and Brandon next year
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:01 pm    Post subject:

I'm gonna guess 18 ppg. And impressive assist and steal numbers too.
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Mike@LG wrote:
Raijin wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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Yeah, I can't see Ingram's game regress to where it was at the beginning of last year


That was the biggest thing I was looking for during Vegas. Didn't really see any regression, admittedly through one game.


What do you see his stats for next year?


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I think people expecting Kobe-like progress from rookie year to 2nd year outside of just adding playing time are totally unrealistic.


I'd argue 42% FG% is pretty low for Ingram though. Post-ASB he shot 47.5%... his overall TS% might not be great due to FTs/3s (although his FT stroke looks better and 68% seems low?).

14/6/2 seems reasonable to me, but I'd guess something like 46/32/75 splits?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:31 pm    Post subject:

Ingram
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45% 34% 75%

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These are my goals for both guys
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:31 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Raijin wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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Yeah, I can't see Ingram's game regress to where it was at the beginning of last year


That was the biggest thing I was looking for during Vegas. Didn't really see any regression, admittedly through one game.


What do you see his stats for next year?


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I think people expecting Kobe-like progress from rookie year to 2nd year outside of just adding playing time are totally unrealistic.


I'd argue 42% FG% is pretty low for Ingram though. Post-ASB he shot 47.5%... his overall TS% might not be great due to FTs/3s (although his FT stroke looks better and 68% seems low?).

14/6/2 seems reasonable to me, but I'd guess something like 46/32/75 splits?


The reason behind the low FG% is because, we didn't get to see a great sample of his perimeter shooting, and I expect his Iso frequency to go up quite a bit. I think defenses will pay more attention to him as the season goes on as well.

6% FT increase is pretty reasonable in comparison to other guys learning to shoot.

I don't think he'll be playing as much of a tertiary option on offense like he did last season, so really, any considerable improvement across the board, along with increased offensive responsibility is a big deal.
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Mike@LG wrote:
tox wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Raijin wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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Yeah, I can't see Ingram's game regress to where it was at the beginning of last year


That was the biggest thing I was looking for during Vegas. Didn't really see any regression, admittedly through one game.


What do you see his stats for next year?


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I think people expecting Kobe-like progress from rookie year to 2nd year outside of just adding playing time are totally unrealistic.


I'd argue 42% FG% is pretty low for Ingram though. Post-ASB he shot 47.5%... his overall TS% might not be great due to FTs/3s (although his FT stroke looks better and 68% seems low?).

14/6/2 seems reasonable to me, but I'd guess something like 46/32/75 splits?


The reason behind the low FG% is because, we didn't get to see a great sample of his perimeter shooting, and I expect his Iso frequency to go up quite a bit. I think defenses will pay more attention to him as the season goes on as well.

6% FT increase is pretty reasonable in comparison to other guys learning to shoot.

I don't think he'll be playing as much of a tertiary option on offense like he did last season, so really, any considerable improvement across the board, along with increased offensive responsibility is a big deal.


Gotta account for lonzo's impact on everyone's game as well. I'd probably have him around 14-15 ppg without Lonzo as well, but with Lonzo and without Dlo, Ingram is now our number 1 perimeter scoring threat.

I have him around 18-20 ppg at around 45/35/?

Lonzo is gonna get him a few easy ones a game (maybe more) and kinda pad his #s and fg % a little
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:40 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
tox wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Raijin wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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Yeah, I can't see Ingram's game regress to where it was at the beginning of last year


That was the biggest thing I was looking for during Vegas. Didn't really see any regression, admittedly through one game.


What do you see his stats for next year?


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I think people expecting Kobe-like progress from rookie year to 2nd year outside of just adding playing time are totally unrealistic.


I'd argue 42% FG% is pretty low for Ingram though. Post-ASB he shot 47.5%... his overall TS% might not be great due to FTs/3s (although his FT stroke looks better and 68% seems low?).

14/6/2 seems reasonable to me, but I'd guess something like 46/32/75 splits?


The reason behind the low FG% is because, we didn't get to see a great sample of his perimeter shooting, and I expect his Iso frequency to go up quite a bit. I think defenses will pay more attention to him as the season goes on as well.

6% FT increase is pretty reasonable in comparison to other guys learning to shoot.

I don't think he'll be playing as much of a tertiary option on offense like he did last season, so really, any considerable improvement across the board, along with increased offensive responsibility is a big deal.

That's fair. His FG% increase post-ASB did come with teams not taking the Lakers seriously. Still, I don't know, it seemed awfully replicable to me. FT% you may have a point about -- maybe I'm too optimistic there. I'm still going to hold out for >70% though.
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Gotta account for lonzo's impact on everyone's game as well. I'd probably have him around 14-15 ppg without Lonzo as well, but with Lonzo and without Dlo, Ingram is now our number 1 perimeter scoring threat.

I have him around 18-20 ppg at around 45/35/?

Lonzo is gonna get him a few easy ones a game (maybe more) and kinda pad his #s and fg % a little


It's difficult to measure Lonzo's impact. It's odd to say, but Ingram and Lonzo have contrasting games right now. Ingram isn't as easy a catch and shoot player as Matt Thomas, Vander Blue, Kyle Kuzma, and others. The guys that succeeded the best with Lonzo, were. Ingram isn't the most prolific off-ball guy either, and Nwaba easily made the best of his off-ball abilities before being moved onto the Bulls.

It's also about the loss of Nick Young (odd to say). Nick was the #1 option on offense and DAR made sure he got his high percentage looks. Felt like Nick couldn't miss. Now, Nick is gone, DAR is gone, and there's the relative unpredictability of Zo's 3point ability. I think all of that crowds Ingram's ability in the halfcourt.

I don't expect Ingram to rim-run like I do JC, Kuzma, Randle, and others.
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Gotta account for lonzo's impact on everyone's game as well. I'd probably have him around 14-15 ppg without Lonzo as well, but with Lonzo and without Dlo, Ingram is now our number 1 perimeter scoring threat.

I have him around 18-20 ppg at around 45/35/?

Lonzo is gonna get him a few easy ones a game (maybe more) and kinda pad his #s and fg % a little


It's difficult to measure Lonzo's impact. It's odd to say, but Ingram and Lonzo have contrasting games right now. Ingram isn't as easy a catch and shoot player as Matt Thomas, Vander Blue, Kyle Kuzma, and others. The guys that succeeded the best with Lonzo, were. Ingram isn't the most prolific off-ball guy either, and Nwaba easily made the best of his off-ball abilities before being moved onto the Bulls.

It's also about the loss of Nick Young (odd to say). Nick was the #1 option on offense and DAR made sure he got his high percentage looks. Felt like Nick couldn't miss. Now, Nick is gone, DAR is gone, and there's the relative unpredictability of Zo's 3point ability. I think all of that crowds Ingram's ability in the halfcourt.

I don't expect Ingram to rim-run like I do JC, Kuzma, Randle, and others.


Honestly this is why the Lakers pulling Ingram out of SPL was a blessing in disguise for Zo. It allowed the team to play his pace/style no questions asked.

Ingram looked much improved in the iso aspect in that one game. But I would agree their styles contrast a bit at the moment. I think as the year goes on though Ingram will get better being a finisher on Lonzo's playmaking and will do a bit of playmaking himself
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:10 pm    Post subject:

Zo and Ingram's first play was an easy alley oop. I think Ingram's ISO play in Summer League was what he was asked to do, show that he can be that kind scorer. As the team gels, play will be more fluid, the ball will move, and Ingram will fit in just fine. And he will be one of the only players on the team who can finish like that when they need it.
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Ingram seems to me a triple threat elbow/ISO kind of guy ala Kobe/melo/Droz. Not sure the 3 point shooting is his comfortable spot just yet. I think his instinct is to attack off the dribble. Should be interesting to see how he operates with Lonzo.
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Ingram seems to me a triple threat elbow/ISO kind of guy ala Kobe/melo/Droz. Not sure the 3 point shooting is his comfortable spot just yet. I think his instinct is to attack off the dribble. Should be interesting to see how he operates with Lonzo.

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Gotta account for lonzo's impact on everyone's game as well. I'd probably have him around 14-15 ppg without Lonzo as well, but with Lonzo and without Dlo, Ingram is now our number 1 perimeter scoring threat.

I have him around 18-20 ppg at around 45/35/?

Lonzo is gonna get him a few easy ones a game (maybe more) and kinda pad his #s and fg % a little


It's difficult to measure Lonzo's impact. It's odd to say, but Ingram and Lonzo have contrasting games right now. Ingram isn't as easy a catch and shoot player as Matt Thomas, Vander Blue, Kyle Kuzma, and others. The guys that succeeded the best with Lonzo, were. Ingram isn't the most prolific off-ball guy either, and Nwaba easily made the best of his off-ball abilities before being moved onto the Bulls.

It's also about the loss of Nick Young (odd to say). Nick was the #1 option on offense and DAR made sure he got his high percentage looks. Felt like Nick couldn't miss. Now, Nick is gone, DAR is gone, and there's the relative unpredictability of Zo's 3point ability. I think all of that crowds Ingram's ability in the halfcourt.

I don't expect Ingram to rim-run like I do JC, Kuzma, Randle, and others.


Honestly this is why the Lakers pulling Ingram out of SPL was a blessing in disguise for Zo. It allowed the team to play his pace/style no questions asked.

Ingram looked much improved in the iso aspect in that one game. But I would agree their styles contrast a bit at the moment. I think as the year goes on though Ingram will get better being a finisher on Lonzo's playmaking and will do a bit of playmaking himself


Where Ingram can have the most impact is the same spot that Hart did for a game or so, and definitely the same spot for Vander Blue. It's at that diagonal hit-ahead, or what I prefer to call, the advance pass. Teammate receives the ball roughly 30' away from the hoop with forward momentum. Defense is still retreating. This is the ideal spot for Ingram to get a change of direction from the start, take advantage of his long strides, and end up at the hoop.

Things would explode if he didn't even need to do that, but rather, could just pull up off-the-dribble for 3 without totally breaking form on forward momentum like Blue did the last several Vegas games.

It's going to be especially critical for players to learn to 1-2 step or hop into that 3pt. shots in semi transition.
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Mike@LG wrote:
Raijin wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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Yeah, I can't see Ingram's game regress to where it was at the beginning of last year


That was the biggest thing I was looking for during Vegas. Didn't really see any regression, admittedly through one game.


What do you see his stats for next year?


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I think people expecting Kobe-like progress from rookie year to 2nd year outside of just adding playing time are totally unrealistic.


Agreed. A lot of the kids here expect unrealistic stuff like that though.
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22 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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Gotta account for lonzo's impact on everyone's game as well. I'd probably have him around 14-15 ppg without Lonzo as well, but with Lonzo and without Dlo, Ingram is now our number 1 perimeter scoring threat.

I have him around 18-20 ppg at around 45/35/?

Lonzo is gonna get him a few easy ones a game (maybe more) and kinda pad his #s and fg % a little


It's difficult to measure Lonzo's impact. It's odd to say, but Ingram and Lonzo have contrasting games right now. Ingram isn't as easy a catch and shoot player as Matt Thomas, Vander Blue, Kyle Kuzma, and others. The guys that succeeded the best with Lonzo, were. Ingram isn't the most prolific off-ball guy either, and Nwaba easily made the best of his off-ball abilities before being moved onto the Bulls.

It's also about the loss of Nick Young (odd to say). Nick was the #1 option on offense and DAR made sure he got his high percentage looks. Felt like Nick couldn't miss. Now, Nick is gone, DAR is gone, and there's the relative unpredictability of Zo's 3point ability. I think all of that crowds Ingram's ability in the halfcourt.

I don't expect Ingram to rim-run like I do JC, Kuzma, Randle, and others.


Honestly this is why the Lakers pulling Ingram out of SPL was a blessing in disguise for Zo. It allowed the team to play his pace/style no questions asked.

Ingram looked much improved in the iso aspect in that one game. But I would agree their styles contrast a bit at the moment. I think as the year goes on though Ingram will get better being a finisher on Lonzo's playmaking and will do a bit of playmaking himself


Where Ingram can have the most impact is the same spot that Hart did for a game or so, and definitely the same spot for Vander Blue. It's at that diagonal hit-ahead, or what I prefer to call, the advance pass. Teammate receives the ball roughly 30' away from the hoop with forward momentum. Defense is still retreating. This is the ideal spot for Ingram to get a change of direction from the start, take advantage of his long strides, and end up at the hoop.

Things would explode if he didn't even need to do that, but rather, could just pull up off-the-dribble for 3 without totally breaking form on forward momentum like Blue did the last several Vegas games.

It's going to be especially critical for players to learn to 1-2 step or hop into that 3pt. shots in semi transition.


YES!

Essentially any player that receives one of those advancing passes from Zo needs to be able to attack immediately
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Mike@LG wrote:
22 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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Gotta account for lonzo's impact on everyone's game as well. I'd probably have him around 14-15 ppg without Lonzo as well, but with Lonzo and without Dlo, Ingram is now our number 1 perimeter scoring threat.

I have him around 18-20 ppg at around 45/35/?

Lonzo is gonna get him a few easy ones a game (maybe more) and kinda pad his #s and fg % a little


It's difficult to measure Lonzo's impact. It's odd to say, but Ingram and Lonzo have contrasting games right now. Ingram isn't as easy a catch and shoot player as Matt Thomas, Vander Blue, Kyle Kuzma, and others. The guys that succeeded the best with Lonzo, were. Ingram isn't the most prolific off-ball guy either, and Nwaba easily made the best of his off-ball abilities before being moved onto the Bulls.

It's also about the loss of Nick Young (odd to say). Nick was the #1 option on offense and DAR made sure he got his high percentage looks. Felt like Nick couldn't miss. Now, Nick is gone, DAR is gone, and there's the relative unpredictability of Zo's 3point ability. I think all of that crowds Ingram's ability in the halfcourt.

I don't expect Ingram to rim-run like I do JC, Kuzma, Randle, and others.


Honestly this is why the Lakers pulling Ingram out of SPL was a blessing in disguise for Zo. It allowed the team to play his pace/style no questions asked.

Ingram looked much improved in the iso aspect in that one game. But I would agree their styles contrast a bit at the moment. I think as the year goes on though Ingram will get better being a finisher on Lonzo's playmaking and will do a bit of playmaking himself


Where Ingram can have the most impact is the same spot that Hart did for a game or so, and definitely the same spot for Vander Blue. It's at that diagonal hit-ahead, or what I prefer to call, the advance pass. Teammate receives the ball roughly 30' away from the hoop with forward momentum. Defense is still retreating. This is the ideal spot for Ingram to get a change of direction from the start, take advantage of his long strides, and end up at the hoop.

Things would explode if he didn't even need to do that, but rather, could just pull up off-the-dribble for 3 without totally breaking form on forward momentum like Blue did the last several Vegas games.

It's going to be especially critical for players to learn to 1-2 step or hop into that 3pt. shots in semi transition.


YES!

Essentially any player that receives one of those advancing passes from Zo needs to be able to attack immediately



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:31 pm    Post subject:

I think Nick Young was also top 5 in the league in spot up 3 point shooting. Anyone want to confirm?
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