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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:09 pm    Post subject:

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This is why I said a few weeks ago that he reminded me of Pippen.. and some of you went nuts lol.. Not saying he'll ever be on that level.. not saying he wont.. Just saying his game reminds me of Pippen when he's being a facilitator.
just looking at the stats, Ingram is ahead of 23 year old, second year Pippen as a passer. He's also several years ahead of guys like Batum/Durant, who also became excellent wing facilitators in their primes.


Not to mention he's still underdeveloped physically..

He's going to get faster and more explosive..

His shooting will continue to improve..

His passing and defense will also continue to improve..


I just don't see the Pippen comparison, but it does look like BI is going to continue to improve. Barring injury, I think he could be an all-star in a couple years.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:12 pm    Post subject:

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Made 3 threes

Makes me happy


Getting to the line for free throws got Mamba and MJ into early shooting rhythm. Think that aggressiveness in the first got him on a good beat. Then JR got the low position and would just out man his defender. Itís meshes well in the half court sets. Then you got track stars to run the break. Saw a good number of awesome reads by the Capt. Great game, BI!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:13 pm    Post subject:

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This is why I said a few weeks ago that he reminded me of Pippen.. and some of you went nuts lol.. Not saying he'll ever be on that level.. not saying he wont.. Just saying his game reminds me of Pippen when he's being a facilitator.
just looking at the stats, Ingram is ahead of 23 year old, second year Pippen as a passer. He's also several years ahead of guys like Batum/Durant, who also became excellent wing facilitators in their primes.


Not to mention he's still underdeveloped physically..

He's going to get faster and more explosive..

His shooting will continue to improve..

His passing and defense will also continue to improve..


I just don't see the Pippen comparison, but it does look like BI is going to continue to improve. Barring injury, I think he could be an all-star in a couple years.


Pippen was able to manage the team while on the floor.. he could also be effective when he wasn't the primary ball handler. Excellent finisher, and on ball defender.

He just reminds me of Pippen in the way that he manages the team when asked.. There may be better comparables even though I don't like comparables.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:22 pm    Post subject:

I don't know if he will ever be a good defender with how slow he is starting/stopping and changing directions. He is really bad at getting around screens. We were lucky it was Felton using those screens.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:22 pm    Post subject:

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This is why I said a few weeks ago that he reminded me of Pippen.. and some of you went nuts lol.. Not saying he'll ever be on that level.. not saying he wont.. Just saying his game reminds me of Pippen when he's being a facilitator.
just looking at the stats, Ingram is ahead of 23 year old, second year Pippen as a passer. He's also several years ahead of guys like Batum/Durant, who also became excellent wing facilitators in their primes.


Not to mention he's still underdeveloped physically..

He's going to get faster and more explosive..

His shooting will continue to improve..

His passing and defense will also continue to improve..


I just don't see the Pippen comparison, but it does look like BI is going to continue to improve. Barring injury, I think he could be an all-star in a couple years.


Pippen was able to manage the team while on the floor.. he could also be effective when he wasn't the primary ball handler. Excellent finisher, and on ball defender.

He just reminds me of Pippen in the way that he manages the team when asked.. There may be better comparables even though I don't like comparables.


It's all good! Not like our opinions on it matter anyway.

This thread has taken a good turn lately, hasn't it?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:23 pm    Post subject:

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defense wrote:
Rookie year

points 9.4
rebounds 4
assists 2.1
blocks .5
steals .6
FG .402
3FG .294
FT .621

This season (So far)

points 15.9
rebounds 5.4
assists 3.7
blocks .7
steals .8
FG .455
3FG .350
FT .679

Improvements across the board in only 4 more minutes a game. If he makes another jump like this next season we are talking about a great player. I would like to see him get better fundamentally on defense. Maybe get his block/steals to above 1. Over all I'm happy with him and remind myself he's only 20 years old still.

Nice improvements. Think that undersells his defensive improvement too.


Remember people complaining about Magic putting too much pressure on BI for saying he should average 15-20 points a game?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:35 pm    Post subject:

@mookielala Yea man.. the narrative shift is refreshing.. for now lol.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:39 pm    Post subject:

mhan00 wrote:
tox wrote:
defense wrote:
Rookie year

points 9.4
rebounds 4
assists 2.1
blocks .5
steals .6
FG .402
3FG .294
FT .621

This season (So far)

points 15.9
rebounds 5.4
assists 3.7
blocks .7
steals .8
FG .455
3FG .350
FT .679

Improvements across the board in only 4 more minutes a game. If he makes another jump like this next season we are talking about a great player. I would like to see him get better fundamentally on defense. Maybe get his block/steals to above 1. Over all I'm happy with him and remind myself he's only 20 years old still.

Nice improvements. Think that undersells his defensive improvement too.


Remember people complaining about Magic putting too much pressure on BI for saying he should average 15-20 points a game?


It was twenty, not 15-20
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:48 pm    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
tox wrote:
defense wrote:
Rookie year

points 9.4
rebounds 4
assists 2.1
blocks .5
steals .6
FG .402
3FG .294
FT .621

This season (So far)

points 15.9
rebounds 5.4
assists 3.7
blocks .7
steals .8
FG .455
3FG .350
FT .679

Improvements across the board in only 4 more minutes a game. If he makes another jump like this next season we are talking about a great player. I would like to see him get better fundamentally on defense. Maybe get his block/steals to above 1. Over all I'm happy with him and remind myself he's only 20 years old still.

Nice improvements. Think that undersells his defensive improvement too.


Remember people complaining about Magic putting too much pressure on BI for saying he should average 15-20 points a game?


It was twenty, not 15-20


I had a feeling you were coming with that one lol

You have to think Magic is happy with the way he's playing regardless of not reaching 20ppg. Be a shame if he wasn't.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:50 pm    Post subject:

Luminous8 wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
tox wrote:
defense wrote:
Rookie year

points 9.4
rebounds 4
assists 2.1
blocks .5
steals .6
FG .402
3FG .294
FT .621

This season (So far)

points 15.9
rebounds 5.4
assists 3.7
blocks .7
steals .8
FG .455
3FG .350
FT .679

Improvements across the board in only 4 more minutes a game. If he makes another jump like this next season we are talking about a great player. I would like to see him get better fundamentally on defense. Maybe get his block/steals to above 1. Over all I'm happy with him and remind myself he's only 20 years old still.

Nice improvements. Think that undersells his defensive improvement too.


Remember people complaining about Magic putting too much pressure on BI for saying he should average 15-20 points a game?


It was twenty, not 15-20


I had a feeling you were coming with that one lol

You have to think Magic is happy with the way he's playing regardless of not reaching 20ppg. Be a shame if he wasn't.


Yeah, Iím in a good mood tonight. And yes, Magic should be pleased, and itís good to see him playing less ball dominant ball too.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:11 am    Post subject:

There you go, kid
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:57 am    Post subject:

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He isn't the prototypical point guard, but he has been really, really good. It's like his vision and passing went to a completely different level.


It's like he's actually improving as he gets more experience. Some of the takes in here made it seem like he was already supposed to be a finished product.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:00 am    Post subject:

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He isn't the prototypical point guard, but he has been really, really good. It's like his vision and passing went to a completely different level.


It's like he's actually improving as he gets more experience. Some of the takes in here made it seem like he was already supposed to be a finished product.


Yeah, that's unrealistic but imagine BI at age 22
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:01 am    Post subject:

Per 36 Minute Comparison of Rookie Ingram v. Ingram Now:
Ingram (Age 19): 11.7 PPG (47.4% TS), 5.0 RPG (7.6%), 2.6 APG (10.5%), 0.8 STL (1.1%), 0.6 BLK (1.3%)
Ingram (Age 20): 16.9 PPG (52.5% TS), 5.7 RPG (8.4%), 3.9 APG (16.5%), 0.8 STL (1.1%), 0.7 BLK (1.7%)

He's really just become a more efficient shooter, albeit still below league average, and his assists have obviously gone up. I'd like to see his rebounds and defensive numbers improve more though.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:11 am    Post subject:

Another step up: he wasn't reluctant to shoot 3s last night, and they went in. He's at 36.9% now on 3s, second best percentage to Hart.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:15 am    Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:
Per 36 Minute Comparison of Rookie Ingram v. Ingram Now:
Ingram (Age 19): 11.7 PPG (47.4% TS), 5.0 RPG (7.6%), 2.6 APG (10.5%), 0.8 STL (1.1%), 0.6 BLK (1.3%)
Ingram (Age 20): 16.9 PPG (52.5% TS), 5.7 RPG (8.4%), 3.9 APG (16.5%), 0.8 STL (1.1%), 0.7 BLK (1.7%)

He's really just become a more efficient shooter, albeit still below league average, and his assists have obviously gone up. I'd like to see his rebounds and defensive numbers improve more though.


If he keeps improving, as expected, he could become an all-star in 3 or 4 years.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:28 am    Post subject:

Correct me if I'm wrong but i believe he originally played point guard up until he had a ridiculous growth spurt. I remember reading something back when he was in duke regarding that.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:39 am    Post subject:

I mean... Dante Exum to Tayshaun Prince to... Scottie Pippen? Sure, why not?

I can't think of a more appropriate use for the confused Larry David gif: https://media.giphy.com/media/v0eHX3n28wvoQ/giphy.gif

In all seriousness, Pippen was a franchise talent without MJ, although the rest of his career was relatively dismal due to injuries and migraines.

The MVP voting in the years w/out Jordan was really representative of how much of a beast and all-around player Pippen was:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1994.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1995.html

And these are not bums he finished over. That's Shaq and Ewing.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:43 am    Post subject:

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Another step up: he wasn't reluctant to shoot 3s last night, and they went in. He's at 36.9% now on 3s, second best percentage to Hart.


Amazing! and this is after he re-worked his shot in the offseason and struggled early on.

I knew he was a good shooter all along, I never doubted. BI is relentless. He is humble and he just works. When he is 22 league watch out. DO NOT TRADE BI.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:46 am    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
tox wrote:
defense wrote:
Rookie year

points 9.4
rebounds 4
assists 2.1
blocks .5
steals .6
FG .402
3FG .294
FT .621

This season (So far)

points 15.9
rebounds 5.4
assists 3.7
blocks .7
steals .8
FG .455
3FG .350
FT .679

Improvements across the board in only 4 more minutes a game. If he makes another jump like this next season we are talking about a great player. I would like to see him get better fundamentally on defense. Maybe get his block/steals to above 1. Over all I'm happy with him and remind myself he's only 20 years old still.

Nice improvements. Think that undersells his defensive improvement too.


Remember people complaining about Magic putting too much pressure on BI for saying he should average 15-20 points a game?


It was twenty, not 15-20


He said 15-20. I was watching on Spectrum. Its up to the fans whether they want to use the 15-20 or the "he could score 20". I think any sensible person wouldn't take the "he's going to score 20" seriously.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:47 am    Post subject:

I think BI's more well-rounded game resurgence will be helpful if a guy like PG13 and/or another big star join us.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:48 am    Post subject:

Regarding the question Barkley asked yesterday, I think BI will be the first of our young core to reach all-star level. Kuz and Zo both have the potential and hope to see them realize it as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:01 am    Post subject:

If we get 2 max FAs, will be tough for BI IMO to get that all star nod. Without max FAs, not sure either.

But he's so young so he has time.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:05 am    Post subject:

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If we get 2 max FAs, will be tough for BI IMO to get that all star nod. Without max FAs, not sure either.

But he's so young so he has time.

Yeah, that's a good point. Must rely on the voting power of Lakers fandom!
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If we get 2 max FAs, will be tough for BI IMO to get that all star nod. Without max FAs, not sure either.

But he's so young so he has time.


Nah, we will vote for an entire Laker lineup
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