Been saying this... Ingram is a point forward as well and shoots the ball way better. Simmons can’t even make a 3 he’s scared to even shoot em... the guy can’t shoot past 10 feet. Once Ingram’s frame fills out the separation will be clear.
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:28 pm Post subject:
Still can't believe we were able to get Ingram. People here weren't sufficiently grateful after his slow first season, but remember that DraftExpress and others had him ranked ahead of Simmons as the #1. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:29 pm Post subject:
BizLA wrote:
Lakers4Life33 wrote:
BI > Ben Simmons
Yeah I said it.
Been saying this... Ingram is a point forward as well and shoots the ball way better. Simmons can’t even make a 3 he’s scared to even shoot em... the guy can’t shoot past 10 feet. Once Ingram’s frame fills out the separation will be clear.
Yea, that's not a new take. Many said that at the time we drafted Ingram, and have continued to say it since. One of the Ringer writers today tweeted how at the Sloan Conference many a front office executive stated they thought Ingram had a higher ceiling and would turn out to be the better player over Simmons.
Consider that Simmons is a year older than Ingram and, unlike Ingram, is much more advanced in terms of physical maturation/development. Give Ingram another year, no less that man body he'll eventually have, and then see where he stands next to Simmons. While Simmons will certainly likely always be a better passer than Ingram, I think Ingram will have him beat eventually in just about every other category (but maybe rebounding due to size). _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
Still can't believe we were able to get Ingram. People here weren't sufficiently grateful after his slow first season, but remember that DraftExpress and others had him ranked ahead of Simmons as the #1.
Draft experts said Ingram had the best allstar potential...
Been saying this... Ingram is a point forward as well and shoots the ball way better. Simmons can’t even make a 3 he’s scared to even shoot em... the guy can’t shoot past 10 feet. Once Ingram’s frame fills out the separation will be clear.
Yea, that's not a new take. Many said that at the time we drafted Ingram, and have continued to say it since. One of the Ringer writers today tweeted how at the Sloan Conference many a front office executive stated they thought Ingram had a higher ceiling and would turn out to be the better player over Simmons.
Consider that Simmons is a year older than Ingram and, unlike Ingram, is much more advanced in terms of physical maturation/development. Give Ingram another year, no less that man body he'll eventually have, and then see where he stands next to Simmons. While Simmons will certainly likely always be a better passer than Ingram, I think Ingram will have him beat eventually in just about every other category (but maybe rebounding due to size).
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:39 pm Post subject:
BizLA wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Still can't believe we were able to get Ingram. People here weren't sufficiently grateful after his slow first season, but remember that DraftExpress and others had him ranked ahead of Simmons as the #1.
Draft experts said Ingram had the best allstar potential...
Simmons has made zero three pointers this entire season. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Been saying this... Ingram is a point forward as well and shoots the ball way better. Simmons can’t even make a 3 he’s scared to even shoot em... the guy can’t shoot past 10 feet. Once Ingram’s frame fills out the separation will be clear.
Yea, that's not a new take. Many said that at the time we drafted Ingram, and have continued to say it since. One of the Ringer writers today tweeted how at the Sloan Conference many a front office executive stated they thought Ingram had a higher ceiling and would turn out to be the better player over Simmons.
Consider that Simmons is a year older than Ingram and, unlike Ingram, is much more advanced in terms of physical maturation/development. Give Ingram another year, no less that man body he'll eventually have, and then see where he stands next to Simmons. While Simmons will certainly likely always be a better passer than Ingram, I think Ingram will have him beat eventually in just about every other category (but maybe rebounding due to size).
Been saying this... Ingram is a point forward as well and shoots the ball way better. Simmons can’t even make a 3 he’s scared to even shoot em... the guy can’t shoot past 10 feet. Once Ingram’s frame fills out the separation will be clear.
Yea, that's not a new take. Many said that at the time we drafted Ingram, and have continued to say it since. One of the Ringer writers today tweeted how at the Sloan Conference many a front office executive stated they thought Ingram had a higher ceiling and would turn out to be the better player over Simmons.
Consider that Simmons is a year older than Ingram and, unlike Ingram, is much more advanced in terms of physical maturation/development. Give Ingram another year, no less that man body he'll eventually have, and then see where he stands next to Simmons. While Simmons will certainly likely always be a better passer than Ingram, I think Ingram will have him beat eventually in just about every other category (but maybe rebounding due to size).
Been saying this... Ingram is a point forward as well and shoots the ball way better. Simmons can’t even make a 3 he’s scared to even shoot em... the guy can’t shoot past 10 feet. Once Ingram’s frame fills out the separation will be clear.
Yea, that's not a new take. Many said that at the time we drafted Ingram, and have continued to say it since. One of the Ringer writers today tweeted how at the Sloan Conference many a front office executive stated they thought Ingram had a higher ceiling and would turn out to be the better player over Simmons.
Consider that Simmons is a year older than Ingram and, unlike Ingram, is much more advanced in terms of physical maturation/development. Give Ingram another year, no less that man body he'll eventually have, and then see where he stands next to Simmons. While Simmons will certainly likely always be a better passer than Ingram, I think Ingram will have him beat eventually in just about every other category (but maybe rebounding due to size).
Yep. Simmons is better than Ingram right now but I wouldn’t trade them straight up. Given Ingram's age, rate of improvement, likely physical development, freakish length, and comparative shooting ability, he could well have a higher ceiling than Simmons.
Yeah, a lot of people just point to Simmons beasting in his rookie year (*eye roll*) and say BI can't even compare to that based on their respective play RIGHT NOW. I guess you can attribute Simmons' grown man body (pretty rare for players his age) as part of his overall "talent" package and use that as an argument in favor of him over BI. And of course, BI probably won't ever be able to measure up to the full extent of his speed/athleticism advantages.
But to me, you also have to factor in BI having that much extra room to grow as a player compared to Simmons. He's going to somewhat bridge that gap physically, which is only going to amplify his other skills and abilities. How much more can Simmons improve his body? He's definitely a physical freak of nature, but he already looks to be in his physical prime. This isn't a direct comparison, but it's like comparing a young KD to a young Lebron. You'd think one could never compete with the other, but now look at them.
I will say, though, that if Simmons ever adds a reliable jumper to his game, it's over for the league and he's probably the best player in the game at that point. But that's a way bigger if than BI's natural physical growth.
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:31 pm Post subject:
Btw, not too proud to admit Ingram has progressed faster and further than I expected. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
Not only does BI have great gifts, he has an amazing mentality for such a young man (imo). At this point, we can be confident that he is going to dedicate himself for years to being as good a player as he can be. Humble, focused, and driven.
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:55 pm Post subject:
yinoma2001 wrote:
20 years old. Wow.
From time to time I read comments about how he's ahead of Durant at this age. Even Durant said this. Either KD has amnesia regarding himself, or he's just being modest. I looked at the numbers. They're both born in September, and they both started their rookie year after barely turning 19. So they have the EXACT timeline.
Year 1
KD 20 pts 43%, 29% from three, 87% FT
BI 9 pts 40%, 29% from three, 62% FT
Year 2
KD 25 pts 48%, 42% from three, 86% FT
BI 16 pts 46%, 38.5% from three, 69% FT .... so far.
KD basically ARRIVED his second season in the NBA. But I'm still very excited about Ingram, but no longer KD excited. I'm actually more Pippen/Kawhi excited about BI. He's come a long way. I've always been nervous when he's running point forward, but he has improved greatly.
Not only does BI have great gifts, he has an amazing mentality for such a young man (imo). At this point, we can be confident that he is going to dedicate himself for years to being as good a player as he can be. Humble, focused, and driven.
From time to time I read comments about how he's ahead of Durant at this age. Even Durant said this. Either KD has amnesia regarding himself, or he's just being modest. I looked at the numbers. They're both born in September, and they both started their rookie year after barely turning 19. So they have the EXACT timeline.
Year 1
KD 20 pts 43%, 29% from three, 87% FT
BI 9 pts 40%, 29% from three, 62% FT
Year 2
KD 25 pts 48%, 42% from three, 86% FT
BI 16 pts 46%, 38.5% from three, 69% FT .... so far.
KD basically ARRIVED his second season in the NBA. But I'm still very excited about Ingram, but no longer KD excited. I'm actually more Pippen/Kawhi excited about BI. He's come a long way. I've always been nervous when he's running point forward, but he has improved greatly.
KD is one of the five greatest scorers ever (being conservative) and comparing anyone to him is just unfair.
Ingram doesn't even play like Durant, never mind effectiveness. I don't know why anyone even brings him up beyond body type similarities.
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:17 pm Post subject:
LakerSanity wrote:
BizLA wrote:
Lakers4Life33 wrote:
BI > Ben Simmons
Yeah I said it.
Been saying this... Ingram is a point forward as well and shoots the ball way better. Simmons can’t even make a 3 he’s scared to even shoot em... the guy can’t shoot past 10 feet. Once Ingram’s frame fills out the separation will be clear.
Yea, that's not a new take. Many said that at the time we drafted Ingram, and have continued to say it since. One of the Ringer writers today tweeted how at the Sloan Conference many a front office executive stated they thought Ingram had a higher ceiling and would turn out to be the better player over Simmons.
Consider that Simmons is a year older than Ingram and, unlike Ingram, is much more advanced in terms of physical maturation/development. Give Ingram another year, no less that man body he'll eventually have, and then see where he stands next to Simmons. While Simmons will certainly likely always be a better passer than Ingram, I think Ingram will have him beat eventually in just about every other category (but maybe rebounding due to size).
A month or two ago, someone in another thread dug up some old posts of mine to say look how wrong you were about these things: one of them was a pre-draft prediction that BI would be the better player over Simmons and that he was my preference for us to draft. I guess I really blew that one.
My response to the poster was that I still think BI will be the better player, and that looks even more apparent today.
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:18 pm Post subject:
tox wrote:
Runway8 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
20 years old. Wow.
From time to time I read comments about how he's ahead of Durant at this age. Even Durant said this. Either KD has amnesia regarding himself, or he's just being modest. I looked at the numbers. They're both born in September, and they both started their rookie year after barely turning 19. So they have the EXACT timeline.
Year 1
KD 20 pts 43%, 29% from three, 87% FT
BI 9 pts 40%, 29% from three, 62% FT
Year 2
KD 25 pts 48%, 42% from three, 86% FT
BI 16 pts 46%, 38.5% from three, 69% FT .... so far.
KD basically ARRIVED his second season in the NBA. But I'm still very excited about Ingram, but no longer KD excited. I'm actually more Pippen/Kawhi excited about BI. He's come a long way. I've always been nervous when he's running point forward, but he has improved greatly.
KD is one of the five greatest scorers ever (being conservative) and comparing anyone to him is just unfair.
Ingram doesn't even play like Durant, never mind effectiveness. I don't know why anyone even brings him up beyond body type similarities.
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:31 am Post subject:
babyskyhook wrote:
tox wrote:
Runway8 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
20 years old. Wow.
From time to time I read comments about how he's ahead of Durant at this age. Even Durant said this. Either KD has amnesia regarding himself, or he's just being modest. I looked at the numbers. They're both born in September, and they both started their rookie year after barely turning 19. So they have the EXACT timeline.
Year 1
KD 20 pts 43%, 29% from three, 87% FT
BI 9 pts 40%, 29% from three, 62% FT
Year 2
KD 25 pts 48%, 42% from three, 86% FT
BI 16 pts 46%, 38.5% from three, 69% FT .... so far.
KD basically ARRIVED his second season in the NBA. But I'm still very excited about Ingram, but no longer KD excited. I'm actually more Pippen/Kawhi excited about BI. He's come a long way. I've always been nervous when he's running point forward, but he has improved greatly.
KD is one of the five greatest scorers ever (being conservative) and comparing anyone to him is just unfair.
Ingram doesn't even play like Durant, never mind effectiveness. I don't know why anyone even brings him up beyond body type similarities.
Exactly.
Prior to the draft, there were plenty of KD talk from so called "experts" as well as this forum. And KD, himself, is also guilty of perpetuating the comparison. But that's the point of my post, he's not KD. It was quite evident after last year.
But I'm equally excited at the prospect of a lankier Scottie Pippen/Kawhi Leonard.
From time to time I read comments about how he's ahead of Durant at this age. Even Durant said this. Either KD has amnesia regarding himself, or he's just being modest. I looked at the numbers. They're both born in September, and they both started their rookie year after barely turning 19. So they have the EXACT timeline.
Year 1
KD 20 pts 43%, 29% from three, 87% FT
BI 9 pts 40%, 29% from three, 62% FT
Year 2
KD 25 pts 48%, 42% from three, 86% FT
BI 16 pts 46%, 38.5% from three, 69% FT .... so far.
KD basically ARRIVED his second season in the NBA. But I'm still very excited about Ingram, but no longer KD excited. I'm actually more Pippen/Kawhi excited about BI. He's come a long way. I've always been nervous when he's running point forward, but he has improved greatly.
KD is one of the five greatest scorers ever (being conservative) and comparing anyone to him is just unfair.
Ingram doesn't even play like Durant, never mind effectiveness. I don't know why anyone even brings him up beyond body type similarities.
Exactly.
Prior to the draft, there were plenty of KD talk from so called "experts" as well as this forum. And KD, himself, is also guilty of perpetuating the comparison. But that's the point of my post, he's not KD. It was quite evident after last year.
But I'm equally excited at the prospect of a lankier Scottie Pippen/Kawhi Leonard.
So he falls far short of Kevin Durant (MVP, future HOFer), but he’s potentially Scottie Pippen (HOFer) and/or Kawhi Leonard (DPOY, perennial MVP candidate, and future HOFer)? _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper
From time to time I read comments about how he's ahead of Durant at this age. Even Durant said this. Either KD has amnesia regarding himself, or he's just being modest. I looked at the numbers. They're both born in September, and they both started their rookie year after barely turning 19. So they have the EXACT timeline.
Year 1
KD 20 pts 43%, 29% from three, 87% FT
BI 9 pts 40%, 29% from three, 62% FT
Year 2
KD 25 pts 48%, 42% from three, 86% FT
BI 16 pts 46%, 38.5% from three, 69% FT .... so far.
KD basically ARRIVED his second season in the NBA. But I'm still very excited about Ingram, but no longer KD excited. I'm actually more Pippen/Kawhi excited about BI. He's come a long way. I've always been nervous when he's running point forward, but he has improved greatly.
KD is one of the five greatest scorers ever (being conservative) and comparing anyone to him is just unfair.
Ingram doesn't even play like Durant, never mind effectiveness. I don't know why anyone even brings him up beyond body type similarities.
Exactly.
Prior to the draft, there were plenty of KD talk from so called "experts" as well as this forum. And KD, himself, is also guilty of perpetuating the comparison. But that's the point of my post, he's not KD. It was quite evident after last year.
But I'm equally excited at the prospect of a lankier Scottie Pippen/Kawhi Leonard.
So he falls far short of Kevin Durant (MVP, future HOFer), but he’s potentially Scottie Pippen (HOFer) and/or Kawhi Leonard (DPOY, perennial MVP candidate, and future HOFer)?
Can't we just enjoy Ingram for what he is and who he'll become? It's clear to me at least that he's a pretty special player. Both BI & Zo seem to only care about winning and not so much what the box score reads. That's a rare quality to have with high draft picks, and we have two of those players on our team!
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