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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:40 am    Post subject:

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(bleep), KDs first three years were insane.


And comparing Ingram to him isnít fair to Brandon. He will be his own player, hopefully one that will help lead to some titles.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:41 am    Post subject:

comparing Ingram to KD is absolutely insane
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I think people are really underrating how much growth BI showed this season in only his 2nd year. He's going to be an elite wing in this league once he puts on some grown man weight. Like BI, Giannis and KD both entered the league at 19. Here are their first 3 seasons in the NBA:

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 G  MP   PTS REB AST STL BLK  FG%  3P% 3PA eFG%  FT% FTA TOV
77 24.6  6.8 4.4 1.9 0.8 0.8 .414 .347 1.5 .463 .683 2.6 1.6
81 31.4 12.7 6.7 2.6 0.9 1.0 .491 .159 0.5 .496 .741 4.3 2.1
80 35.3 16.9 7.7 4.3 1.2 1.4 .506 .257 1.4 .520 .724 5.1 2.6


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 G  MP   PTS REB AST STL BLK  FG%  3P% 3PA eFG%  FT%  FTA TOV
80 34.6 20.3 4.4 2.4 1.0 0.9 .430 .288 2.6 .451 .873  5.6 2.9
74 39.0 25.3 6.5 2.8 1.3 0.7 .476 .422 3.1 .510 .863  7.1 3.0
82 39.5 30.1 7.6 2.8 1.4 1.0 .476 .365 4.3 .514 .900 10.2 3.3


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 G  MP   PTS REB AST STL BLK  FG%  3P% 3PA eFG%  FT% FTA TOV
79 28.8  9.4 4.0 2.1 0.6 0.5 .402 .294 2.4 .442 .621 2.7 1.5
59 33.5 16.1 5.3 3.9 0.8 0.7 .470 .390 1.8 .497 .681 4.8 2.5


I Like ingram, i wish him well...but this just confirms that other superstars have made a significant jump in their third year.


True. The third year is about the time players really display their game. Brandon is definitely trending in the right direction, especially after that horrible start in his rookie year.

His rookie year, at least for me, was expected. A young man who just came out of his teenage years, with an underdeveloped body, will inevitably struggle against players two, three, or more years older.

The third year is critical. He's got a lot of work to do, but I like what I've seen since the second half of his rookie year, notwithstanding, the struggles.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:41 am    Post subject:

Bi had great improvement in year 2 and since he is such a hard worker I expect to see even greater improvement next year.

I also saw more explosiveness this year and I think the explosiveness and quickness will continue to improve as he gains strength. I see him getting stronger, quicker and move explosive but without putting on a lot of weight. He may add 10 to 15 pounds but I think that will be about it.

Next year I expect that his defense will improve, his outside shooting and his handle too. His numbers may not go up to crazy levels if we add a couple of big time scorers but 18 to 20 would seem realistic. I also think he will become more aware of the open man and a better passer.

The guy can play the 1-4 and is an all round player. If he is available more often I think he is already really good and that we will see the same type of player who is just a little stronger and better in every facet of this all round game.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:10 pm    Post subject:

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So BI showed no glimpses of stardom this year? Really?

Gotta love the analysis of folks who watch the games with their eyes closed.


I don't think he did, doesn't mean I don't expect him to get there.
Reasonable minds can disagree, man

Itís just absurd to say otherwise. His play right before his groin injury was at star level. Was it generational, MVP level, or on par with being a superstar? No, but it was on par with being a perennial All-Star. I donít know how any degree of reasonableness would say otherwise unless you have a totally different idea of what a ďstarĒ is than I do.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:14 pm    Post subject:

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So BI showed no glimpses of stardom this year? Really?

Gotta love the analysis of folks who watch the games with their eyes closed.


I don't think he did, doesn't mean I don't expect him to get there.
Reasonable minds can disagree, man

Itís just absurd to say otherwise. His play right before his groin injury was at star level. Was it generational, MVP level, or on par with being a superstar? No, but it was on par with being a perennial All-Star. I donít know how any degree of reasonableness would say otherwise unless you have a totally different idea of what a ďstarĒ is than I do.


Yes. I thought he was good, but not all-star flashes level. I look forward to re-watching those games though
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:17 pm    Post subject:

To be fair, Tyreke Evans was a 20/5/5 player in his rookie year, and people called him the next all time great guard since Wade after that.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:24 pm    Post subject:

Makes me sad that our young guys, like Ingram, arent in the playoffs. The experience they are receiving gives an edge to guys like Tatum and Mitchell an edge. Nothing like playing in the playoffs to teach you how to play winning basketball.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:30 pm    Post subject:

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So BI showed no glimpses of stardom this year? Really?

Gotta love the analysis of folks who watch the games with their eyes closed.


oh shut up..he had some awesome moments, but at this point i would put the adds at 50-50 he becomes an all star.

I just hold him to a high standard considering he was a #2 pick

Im just saying by year three you can usually tell if a player is going to be a role player or actually turn into the star you hoped when you drafted them 2nd overall.

You place his odds of becoming an All-Star at 50-50, yet you somehow didnít see any star potential in him this year? Do you also think 2+2 is 3? If you do, that's more understandable. That's even more optimistic than I am. I'd put his odds at 40-60. But if you're the kind of fan who primarily remembers moments, your shallowness makes more sense.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:37 pm    Post subject:

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Makes me sad that our young guys, like Ingram, arent in the playoffs. The experience they are receiving gives an edge to guys like Tatum and Mitchell an edge. Nothing like playing in the playoffs to teach you how to play winning basketball.


I agree with you. Honestly, if we were in the playoffs and healthy I think we could have competed with a lot of the teams that are in the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:54 pm    Post subject:

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Makes me sad that our young guys, like Ingram, arent in the playoffs. The experience they are receiving gives an edge to guys like Tatum and Mitchell an edge. Nothing like playing in the playoffs to teach you how to play winning basketball.


I agree with you. Honestly, if we were in the playoffs and healthy I think we could have competed with a lot of the teams that are in the playoffs.


Free throws would kill us. We prob get swept.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:34 pm    Post subject:

Vin wrote:
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Makes me sad that our young guys, like Ingram, arent in the playoffs. The experience they are receiving gives an edge to guys like Tatum and Mitchell an edge. Nothing like playing in the playoffs to teach you how to play winning basketball.


I agree with you. Honestly, if we were in the playoffs and healthy I think we could have competed with a lot of the teams that are in the playoffs.


Free throws would kill us. We prob get swept.


Makes me wonder what Zo would shoot from the line with real playoff pressure.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:02 pm    Post subject:

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I will continue to support BI and i like the numbers but when i watch him i just dont see that "it" factor. I almost feel like kuzma showed more of that in year 1.

Hope im wrong and i hope BI becomes a beast, but id be lying if i said i wasnt worried about the chances.


Kuzma is 22, spent 3 years in college. Brandon Ingram is 20, was 19 in year 1. Not a surprise Kuz showed more in year 1
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:33 pm    Post subject:

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Judah wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Judah wrote:
So BI showed no glimpses of stardom this year? Really?

Gotta love the analysis of folks who watch the games with their eyes closed.


I don't think he did, doesn't mean I don't expect him to get there.
Reasonable minds can disagree, man

Itís just absurd to say otherwise. His play right before his groin injury was at star level. Was it generational, MVP level, or on par with being a superstar? No, but it was on par with being a perennial All-Star. I donít know how any degree of reasonableness would say otherwise unless you have a totally different idea of what a ďstarĒ is than I do.


Yes. I thought he was good, but not all-star flashes level. I look forward to re-watching those games though


Being the best player on the court in a game that goes OT against the Warriors where he was probably playing at 75% health wasn't "all-star" flashes?!?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:54 pm    Post subject:

I think Ingram definitely flashed all star potential. Hell, he played like an actual all star for several weeks.
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(bleep), KDs first three years were insane.


And comparing Ingram to him isnít fair to Brandon. He will be his own player, hopefully one that will help lead to some titles.


I agree. The point of my post wasn't to compare them as players, but to show the trajectory of these guys from year 1 to year 3, since Bi will be entering his 3rd year. I think he made a big leap in year 2 and I'm just really excited to see what he has in store for year 3.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:27 pm    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Judah wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Judah wrote:
So BI showed no glimpses of stardom this year? Really?

Gotta love the analysis of folks who watch the games with their eyes closed.


I don't think he did, doesn't mean I don't expect him to get there.
Reasonable minds can disagree, man

Itís just absurd to say otherwise. His play right before his groin injury was at star level. Was it generational, MVP level, or on par with being a superstar? No, but it was on par with being a perennial All-Star. I donít know how any degree of reasonableness would say otherwise unless you have a totally different idea of what a ďstarĒ is than I do.


Yes. I thought he was good, but not all-star flashes level. I look forward to re-watching those games though

You don't think February Ingram showed all-star caliber play?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:51 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Judah wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Judah wrote:
So BI showed no glimpses of stardom this year? Really?

Gotta love the analysis of folks who watch the games with their eyes closed.


I don't think he did, doesn't mean I don't expect him to get there.
Reasonable minds can disagree, man

Itís just absurd to say otherwise. His play right before his groin injury was at star level. Was it generational, MVP level, or on par with being a superstar? No, but it was on par with being a perennial All-Star. I donít know how any degree of reasonableness would say otherwise unless you have a totally different idea of what a ďstarĒ is than I do.


Yes. I thought he was good, but not all-star flashes level. I look forward to re-watching those games though

You don't think February Ingram showed all-star caliber play?


I guess my allstar threshold is a bit too high. I think - right under Paul George is an allstar caliber player. But the whole Hawks team did make the allstar game a few years ago..
Aldridge was the worst player on the West squad this year.. I think Ingram showed flashes of being not quitteee as good as Aldridge in the future. But I do think he'll probably show those flashes next year, ya
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:47 pm    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
tox wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Judah wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Judah wrote:
So BI showed no glimpses of stardom this year? Really?

Gotta love the analysis of folks who watch the games with their eyes closed.


I don't think he did, doesn't mean I don't expect him to get there.
Reasonable minds can disagree, man

Itís just absurd to say otherwise. His play right before his groin injury was at star level. Was it generational, MVP level, or on par with being a superstar? No, but it was on par with being a perennial All-Star. I donít know how any degree of reasonableness would say otherwise unless you have a totally different idea of what a ďstarĒ is than I do.


Yes. I thought he was good, but not all-star flashes level. I look forward to re-watching those games though

You don't think February Ingram showed all-star caliber play?


I guess my allstar threshold is a bit too high. I think - right under Paul George is an allstar caliber player. But the whole Hawks team did make the allstar game a few years ago..
Aldridge was the worst player on the West squad this year.. I think Ingram showed flashes of being not quitteee as good as Aldridge in the future. But I do think he'll probably show those flashes next year, ya


BI showed me more flashes than Jimmy Butler in Jimmy's first 4 years and definitely more flashes than PG in Paul's second year. Probably more flashes than Giannis as well. I mean, if he had hit his free throws, were talking about a guy who would have hit Magic's elusive 20ppg mark.

Like Omar said, the guy WAS playing at an all star for several weeks up until the Winslow injury.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:53 pm    Post subject:

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Kevin Durant
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 G  MP   PTS REB AST STL BLK  FG%  3P% 3PA eFG%  FT%  FTA TOV
80 34.6 20.3 4.4 2.4 1.0 0.9 .430 .288 2.6 .451 .873  5.6 2.9
74 39.0 25.3 6.5 2.8 1.3 0.7 .476 .422 3.1 .510 .863  7.1 3.0
82 39.5 30.1 7.6 2.8 1.4 1.0 .476 .365 4.3 .514 .900 10.2 3.3


Brandon Ingram
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 G  MP   PTS REB AST STL BLK  FG%  3P% 3PA eFG%  FT% FTA TOV
79 28.8  9.4 4.0 2.1 0.6 0.5 .402 .294 2.4 .442 .621 2.7 1.5
59 33.5 16.1 5.3 3.9 0.8 0.7 .470 .390 1.8 .497 .681 4.8 2.5
Interesting.

Consider the second year of both Durant and Ingram. On points averaged per game, Durant (25.3) was much higher than Ingram (16.1). However, Durant averaged 20.3 shots per game. Ingram averaged 12.9 shots per game. The difference in their average scores can almost be entirely attributed to the number of shots that they took per game (i.e., 25.3/20.3 is roughly equal to 16.1/12.9).

I am not implying that Ingram is on the exact same track as Durant. I am saying, Ingram showed very good improvement from his rookie year. If he continues to improve, Luke might construct more plays in the offense that direct shots to him.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:12 pm    Post subject:

20 Years Old - Per 36 Min.:
Leonard: 11.9 PPG (57.3% TS), 7.7 RPG (12.2%), 1.6 APG (6.6%), 2.0 SPG (2.9%), 0.6 BPG (1.1%)
Giannis: 14.6 PPG (55.2% TS), 7.7 RPG (12.2%), 2.9 APG (13.1%), 1.0 SPG (1.5%), 1.2 BPG (2.8%)
Batum: 10.5 PPG (55.5% TS), 5.4 RPG (9.4%), 1.8 APG (7.8%). 1.2 SPG (1.9%), 1.0 BPG (2.2%)
Durant: 23.3 PPG (57.7% TS), 6.0 RPG (9.6%), 2.6 APG (13.5%), 1.2 SPG (1.7%), 0.7 BPG (1.4%)
George: 13.5 PPG (54.2% TS), 6.4 RPG (9.8%), 1.8 APG (8.3%), 1.8 SPG (2.5%), 0.7 BPG (1.5%)
Ingram: 17.3 PPG (53.6% TS), 5.7 RPG (8.5%), 4.2 APG (17.7%), 0.8 SPG (1.1%), 0.8 BPG (1.8%)

*Other comps - Pippen, Marion, Prince and Middleton - were not in the league yet at 20 years old.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:07 pm    Post subject:

I like what Magic and Rob did during the exit interviews of handing out all star / championship players year by year body growth.

I think itís a very nice challenge to all our current core players to grind it out these next few months and roll into next season in tip top shape with muscle and finesse ala Randle this year.

BI would be one of the top players to benefit from this challenge on our roster.
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20 Years Old - Per 36 Min.:
Leonard: 11.9 PPG (57.3% TS), 7.7 RPG (12.2%), 1.6 APG (6.6%), 2.0 SPG (2.9%), 0.6 BPG (1.1%)
Giannis: 14.6 PPG (55.2% TS), 7.7 RPG (12.2%), 2.9 APG (13.1%), 1.0 SPG (1.5%), 1.2 BPG (2.8%)
Batum: 10.5 PPG (55.5% TS), 5.4 RPG (9.4%), 1.8 APG (7.8%). 1.2 SPG (1.9%), 1.0 BPG (2.2%)
Durant: 23.3 PPG (57.7% TS), 6.0 RPG (9.6%), 2.6 APG (13.5%), 1.2 SPG (1.7%), 0.7 BPG (1.4%)
George: 13.5 PPG (54.2% TS), 6.4 RPG (9.8%), 1.8 APG (8.3%), 1.8 SPG (2.5%), 0.7 BPG (1.5%)
Ingram: 17.3 PPG (53.6% TS), 5.7 RPG (8.5%), 4.2 APG (17.7%), 0.8 SPG (1.1%), 0.8 BPG (1.8%)

*Other comps - Pippen, Marion, Prince and Middleton - were not in the league yet at 20 years old.


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KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Judah wrote:
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Judah wrote:
So BI showed no glimpses of stardom this year? Really?

Gotta love the analysis of folks who watch the games with their eyes closed.


I don't think he did, doesn't mean I don't expect him to get there.
Reasonable minds can disagree, man

Itís just absurd to say otherwise. His play right before his groin injury was at star level. Was it generational, MVP level, or on par with being a superstar? No, but it was on par with being a perennial All-Star. I donít know how any degree of reasonableness would say otherwise unless you have a totally different idea of what a ďstarĒ is than I do.


Yes. I thought he was good, but not all-star flashes level. I look forward to re-watching those games though

You don't think February Ingram showed all-star caliber play?


I guess my allstar threshold is a bit too high. I think - right under Paul George is an allstar caliber player. But the whole Hawks team did make the allstar game a few years ago..
Aldridge was the worst player on the West squad this year.. I think Ingram showed flashes of being not quitteee as good as Aldridge in the future. But I do think he'll probably show those flashes next year, ya

Fair enough. The West is unusually loaded in terms of all-stars, but 19/6/5 on 62% TS% for a full month as a physically immature 20 year old...
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LakerSanity wrote:
20 Years Old - Per 36 Min.:
Leonard: 11.9 PPG (57.3% TS), 7.7 RPG (12.2%), 1.6 APG (6.6%), 2.0 SPG (2.9%), 0.6 BPG (1.1%)
Giannis: 14.6 PPG (55.2% TS), 7.7 RPG (12.2%), 2.9 APG (13.1%), 1.0 SPG (1.5%), 1.2 BPG (2.8%)
Batum: 10.5 PPG (55.5% TS), 5.4 RPG (9.4%), 1.8 APG (7.8%). 1.2 SPG (1.9%), 1.0 BPG (2.2%)
Durant: 23.3 PPG (57.7% TS), 6.0 RPG (9.6%), 2.6 APG (13.5%), 1.2 SPG (1.7%), 0.7 BPG (1.4%)
George: 13.5 PPG (54.2% TS), 6.4 RPG (9.8%), 1.8 APG (8.3%), 1.8 SPG (2.5%), 0.7 BPG (1.5%)
Ingram: 17.3 PPG (53.6% TS), 5.7 RPG (8.5%), 4.2 APG (17.7%), 0.8 SPG (1.1%), 0.8 BPG (1.8%)

*Other comps - Pippen, Marion, Prince and Middleton - were not in the league yet at 20 years old.


The player that Ingram reminds me of most is Tracy Mcgrady. Their stats as 20 year olds are pretty similar.
Mcgrady (per 36 min): 17.7 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 3.8 APG, 1.3 SPG, 2.2 BPG
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