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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 4:31 pm    Post subject:

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I'm not sure Grant Hill isn't his ceiling comp..... https://youtu.be/1LNFPdTAIU Chickybaby on the commentary
A modern Hill who's a 3pt threat

GHill liked the same kind of hesitation dribbles, simple passes but racked up assists. Preferred to drive, some midrange. 6'8


I can't see the link from where I work, but I only imagine it's Grant Hill's special 'little hop step to advance, then either 1) step through drive if defender don't react or 2) cross over if defender reacts'. BI uses that move a lot to gain an angle to drive past his defender, but I rarely saw him successfully utilizes that second part of the move. Left hand ball handling needs to be worked on to the point he can consistently explode after right to left cross over.


Yep it's that hop step or "hang-dribble" it's commonly called by trainers today.. the hand that's doing the crossing is the one that requires most ball handling skill, as long as the receiving hand only has to do 1 or two dribbles and gather, those are usually straight ahead simple dribbles.


It's funny you actually saw the grant hill comparison. I was watching some old Grant videos a month or two ago and thought about how their games have some similarities but thought against even mentioning. Keep it to myself for the chastising it could get depending on what week it is and how the posters feel that particular week.


They both drink Sprite?
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 6:50 pm    Post subject:

Just was watching this... made me smile... its what Ingram could be and, for one game, he was -


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:21 pm    Post subject:

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Just was watching this... made me smile... its what Ingram could be and, for one game, he was -



That last possession where Ingram gets the steal from Durant makes me so (bleep) excited about his defensive potential.

This is the best game in Ingram's career IMO
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:24 pm    Post subject:

That steal showed his potential as a 1v1 guy ya. He didn't have many 1v1 strips like that all year though . In a couple years that could be scary
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:29 pm    Post subject:

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Just was watching this... made me smile... its what Ingram could be and, for one game, he was -



That last possession where Ingram gets the steal from Durant makes me so (bleep) excited about his defensive potential.

This is the best game in Ingram's career IMO


Just look at the way his effort directed his brain incredible

Seriously this game was lit though. In that moment I really believed he'd be a star
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:48 pm    Post subject:

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That steal showed his potential as a 1v1 guy ya. He didn't have many 1v1 strips like that all year though . In a couple years that could be scary


He showed serious defensive potential in all areas as a skinny 20 year old, you might have missed it because your brain didn't direct your attention that way.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:51 pm    Post subject:

Is it weird that I don't think that's his best game? I loved the stuff from the late 3rd quarter and on. Really loved the change of pace on Zaza in the 1st half, but super lazy closeouts by Durant early.

Durant, Draymond, Bell, Thompson, Next... ?

Especially loved how he lowered his shoulder and shortened his dribble on a change of pace dribble at 3:47. Got by Klay. I mean, he lost half his height and the ball-height was lower than the knee. Thompson couldn't do anything on that.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:43 pm    Post subject:

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That steal showed his potential as a 1v1 guy ya. He didn't have many 1v1 strips like that all year though . In a couple years that could be scary


He showed serious defensive potential in all areas as a skinny 20 year old, you might have missed it because your brain didn't direct your attention that way.


lol I'm talking about 1v1 and 1v1 steals specifically . His 1v1 analytics are at the low end of average and he didn't get many 1v1 strip steals at all
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 11:23 pm    Post subject:

epak shakur.

If you're listening. I too subscribe to your dream of one day having Ingram at the 1 and Ball at the 2. Ingram would have to playmake in the vicinity of a Draymond Green, and Ball's shooting and cutting to the basket would have to translate from the college version of himself, but I still hold out hope!!!

Is there a "Sixth Sense" plot twist in the works? Is Luke actually grooming BI, not Randle to be the Draymond type facilitator on our team? We'll find out I guess.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 4:52 am    Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:
Just was watching this... made me smile... its what Ingram could be and, for one game, he was -



Loved this game but my favorite Ingram game was at chicago when he took over in crunch time
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 7:51 am    Post subject:

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Is it weird that I don't think that's his best game? I loved the stuff from the late 3rd quarter and on. Really loved the change of pace on Zaza in the 1st half, but super lazy closeouts by Durant early.

Durant, Draymond, Bell, Thompson, Next... ?

Especially loved how he lowered his shoulder and shortened his dribble on a change of pace dribble at 3:47. Got by Klay. I mean, he lost half his height and the ball-height was lower than the knee. Thompson couldn't do anything on that.


1) IMO, that game against the Warriors really was Ingram in his element, and quite possibly a glimpse of prime Ingram. When you look at the attention he was attracting from a historically good defense, how can one not be excited of the future possibilities? He was literally Lebron'ing them-

https://i.imgur.com/uSJYp97.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hYQNLF2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fRpmVpN.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0A1FRkk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jecN77o.jpg

I tweeted those pictures to Joey Ramirez and he mentioned Luke making it clear to Ingram that defenses were overcommitting to him this way and leaving shooters wide open. I think it's one of the reasons BI thrived at the point forward position later on.

2) When he doesn't telegraph or preordain his moves, I don't think defenses can neutralize him. He has the drive game to force numerous defenders to collapse on him, but needs to establish a more fluid outside/perimeter game to get defenders away from the paint area.

3) Luke talked about angry Ingram being on a different level, so I think much of the above has to do with his mentality and confidence level. When he lets the game come to him, it's beautiful. When he doesn't, defenses know what he's going to do and how he's going to do it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 8:19 am    Post subject:

This is what I think of with Brandon Ingram in his element.
https://youtu.be/bVGZZD895QQ?t=54s

21 points vs Atl.

The active hands and passing stand out. I just don't see BI being this dominant scorer, but prime BI doing things in that vid? Absolutely.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 8:27 am    Post subject:

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Is it weird that I don't think that's his best game? I loved the stuff from the late 3rd quarter and on. Really loved the change of pace on Zaza in the 1st half, but super lazy closeouts by Durant early.

Durant, Draymond, Bell, Thompson, Next... ?

Especially loved how he lowered his shoulder and shortened his dribble on a change of pace dribble at 3:47. Got by Klay. I mean, he lost half his height and the ball-height was lower than the knee. Thompson couldn't do anything on that.


1) IMO, that game against the Warriors really was Ingram in his element, and quite possibly a glimpse of prime Ingram. When you look at the attention he was attracting from a historically good defense, how can one not be excited of the future possibilities? He was literally Lebron'ing them-

https://i.imgur.com/uSJYp97.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hYQNLF2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fRpmVpN.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0A1FRkk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jecN77o.jpg

I tweeted those pictures to Joey Ramirez and he mentioned Luke making it clear to Ingram that defenses were overcommitting to him this way and leaving shooters wide open. I think it's one of the reasons BI thrived at the point forward position later on.

2) When he doesn't telegraph or preordain his moves, I don't think defenses can neutralize him. He has the drive game to force numerous defenders to collapse on him, but needs to establish a more fluid outside/perimeter game to get defenders away from the paint area.

3) Luke talked about angry Ingram being on a different level, so I think much of the above has to do with his mentality and confidence level. When he lets the game come to him, it's beautiful. When he doesn't, defenses know what he's going to do and how he's going to do it.


Was Joey confused when you called him Randon Bingram, or whatever the is you do with Lakers names.... 😂
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 4:42 pm    Post subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOmkkyqZZnI

Ingram handled Brown in their first match up of the season, why can't Ingram be doing what Brown's doing in the playoffs? Yeah Brown has gotten alot better but Ingram was putting up 19/6/5 on great percentages the month before he got injured. He wouldn't put up those numbers but if you replace Brown with Ingram under Brad Steven's system the Celtics wouldn't be any worse
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:05 pm    Post subject:

Ingram is better than Brown. He is also better than Tatum.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 7:44 am    Post subject:

https://clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-la-trainer-reveals-what-brandon-ingram-has-been-working-on/

Some insight into Ingram's offseason work here
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 7:49 am    Post subject:

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Ingram is better than Brown. He is also better than Tatum.


I'm not sure you can say that as of today.

In 2-3 years? Still to be determined.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 8:32 am    Post subject:

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Ingram is better than Brown. He is also better than Tatum.


I'm not sure you can say that as of today.

In 2-3 years? Still to be determined.


I'm saying it. He's a better all around player than both.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 9:17 am    Post subject:

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Ingram is better than Brown. He is also better than Tatum.


I'm not sure you can say that as of today.

In 2-3 years? Still to be determined.


I'm saying it. He's a better all around player than both.


February Ingram is definitely better than both. That version of BI would be scary. He was filling it up with crazy percentages and getting others involved while playing good defense. Brown and Tatum don't have the ability to play make for others.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 9:26 am    Post subject:

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Ingram is better than Brown. He is also better than Tatum.


I'm not sure you can say that as of today.

In 2-3 years? Still to be determined.


I'm saying it. He's a better all around player than both.


I agree as well. I can't wait to see how good he will be when he is 21!
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Ingram is better than Brown. He is also better than Tatum.


I'm not sure you can say that as of today.

In 2-3 years? Still to be determined.


I'm saying it. He's a better all around player than both.


February Ingram is definitely better than both. That version of BI would be scary. He was filling it up with crazy percentages and getting others involved while playing good defense. Brown and Tatum don't have the ability to play make for others.


The fact we are pointing to a specific month for BI shows he's not there now.

Doesn't mean he can't be better long-term.

Right now, Brown/Tatum are more ready b/c their bodies are. BI will get there.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 9:34 am    Post subject:

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Ingram is better than Brown. He is also better than Tatum.


I'm not sure you can say that as of today.

In 2-3 years? Still to be determined.


I'm saying it. He's a better all around player than both.


I'm open to the idea that Ingram will end up better as he gets more effective at leveraging his physical gifts, but this is where you guys lose me. I don't know how you can watch Jayson Tatum in particular and think that Ingram is currently the better player.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 9:36 am    Post subject:

Out of Brown/Tatum/Ingram, BI is the worst defender and worst catch and shoot player.

Right now he's probably not as good as either (Brown is more debatable then Tatum), but he's the best playmaker, ball handler and point forward IMO. That's why I like his long term potential more then the other two (fully loaded with bias obviously) because when you look at the superstar wings, the playmaking/point forward ability is what sets them apart on the offensive end.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
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yinoma2001 wrote:
LakerSanity wrote:
Ingram is better than Brown. He is also better than Tatum.


I'm not sure you can say that as of today.

In 2-3 years? Still to be determined.


I'm saying it. He's a better all around player than both.


February Ingram is definitely better than both. That version of BI would be scary. He was filling it up with crazy percentages and getting others involved while playing good defense. Brown and Tatum don't have the ability to play make for others.


The fact we are pointing to a specific month for BI shows he's not there now.

Doesn't mean he can't be better long-term.

Right now, Brown/Tatum are more ready b/c their bodies are. BI will get there.


What if Ingram doesn't get injured on March 1st, he was showing no signs of slowing down. What if he carries that type of play through March up to the last game of the season in April.

He probably finishes the season averaging 17/5/4.5 then all of a sudden it's a totally different argument.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 9:41 am    Post subject:

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What if Ingram doesn't get injured on March 1st, he was showing no signs of slowing down. What if he carries that type of play through March up to the last game of the season in April.

He probably finishes the season averaging 17/5/4.5 then all of a sudden it's a totally different argument.


Tatum is the leading playoff scorer (18.1 ppg) on a team that's 2 games away from making the NBA Finals. And Brown (17.8) is second.
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