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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:10 pm    Post subject:

I think Ingram has a chance of being better than PG, on average, over the next 4 seasons... the same way I thought Randle had a chance of being better than Blake Griffin over the next 4 seasons.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:32 pm    Post subject:

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I think it is a SHAME when you have to give up second picks in the draft to get rid of a player that you HIRED at big money. This is not good. It is incompetence.

Ingram has his own unique skill set. But even Durant and PG had to have time to grow. Lets give Ingram and Ball their chance to grow.

But don't want the Lakers to spend their time giving up second draft picks to get rid of players that they hired.

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Ingram was the number 2 pick in a draft. He must have shown something.

The Lakers were lucky enough to have 3 number 2 picks.
DLO was a strikeout. But still can make it.
They have two more strikes.
Have to give them time to develop.


I don't think DLO is a strikeout b/c he helped us shed Moz (huge), have Brook for a year (helping us win 35 games), and a 1st round pick that we used to draft Kuz. I still think the kid can put it together.

Now, someone like Okafor, that's a strikeout. 76ers literally got nothing for him. IIRC they had to include a 2nd rounder to trade him.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:35 pm    Post subject:

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I think Ingram has a chance of being better than PG, on average, over the next 4 seasons... the same way I thought Randle had a chance of being better than Blake Griffin over the next 4 seasons.


I'm 50/50 on the BI > PG for the next 4 years, which says a lot about BI.

The only way I see Julius being better than Blake for the next 4 years is if Blake stays injury prone. I think Blake's offense being more well rounded than Julius' out weighs the defense that Julius brings.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:47 pm    Post subject:

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There's no such thing as a sure thing but I'd say it's pretty much a sure thing that he increases his FGA, including 3PA, while getting higher quality attempts more often as well as increasing his FT%. 20+ppg is well within reach. Last season he averaged 22 when he had at least 16 FGA (15 games) and he only hit 11 3s total over that span. 19.6 PPG in 5 games with exactly 16 attempts.


16 attempts a game is legit 2nd option type usage. He has to average 19-21 a game if he gets that many looks. But there's a lot of deterrent to that happening this year.

Luke Walton believes in ball movement but seems allergic to hot individual scoring. I don't think he realizes that the Warriors which he tries to emulate are actually very top heavy when it comes to usage and FGA with KD, Steph and Klay getting 18, 16 and 16 FGA each respectively. Sure they pass the ball around during a possession but the ball ultimately ends up on one of those 3 key guys. Luke wants the ball passed around but doesn't have much of a plan where it ends up before the shot. I would be pleasantly surprised if Luke adopts a top heavy approach and get both Kuz and Ingram 15+ looks next season.

We also have a bunch of vets who will want to get their shots. We brought in Beasley who's gonna shoot at least 10 a game from the bench who also plays forward. Lebron of course is here which means better efficiency but less attempts for everybody else(good for the team, not for individual stats).

So no, I don't think BI will even get 14 FGA this season which means he'll probably end up with 17-18ppg on more effecient shooting.
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There's no such thing as a sure thing but I'd say it's pretty much a sure thing that he increases his FGA, including 3PA, while getting higher quality attempts more often as well as increasing his FT%. 20+ppg is well within reach. Last season he averaged 22 when he had at least 16 FGA (15 games) and he only hit 11 3s total over that span. 19.6 PPG in 5 games with exactly 16 attempts.


16 attempts a game is legit 2nd option type usage. He has to average 19-21 a game if he gets that many looks. But there's a lot of deterrent to that happening this year.

Luke Walton believes in ball movement but seems allergic to hot individual scoring. I don't think he realizes that the Warriors which he tries to emulate are actually very top heavy when it comes to usage and FGA with KD, Steph and Klay getting 18, 16 and 16 FGA each respectively. Sure they pass the ball around during a possession but the ball ultimately ends up on one of those 3 key guys. Luke wants the ball passed around but doesn't have much of a plan where it ends up before the shot. I would be pleasantly surprised if Luke adopts a top heavy approach and get both Kuz and Ingram 15+ looks next season.

We also have a bunch of vets who will want to get their shots. We brought in Beasley who's gonna shoot at least 10 a game from the bench who also plays forward. Lebron of course is here which means better efficiency but less attempts for everybody else(good for the team, not for individual stats).

So no, I don't think BI will even get 14 FGA this season which means he'll probably end up with 17-18ppg on more effecient shooting.


I think we just didn't really have guys last year you trusted to shoot that many times and given the inexperience of our talent, he tried to preach equal distribution. I think that will slowly go away now that LeBron is here. BI and Kuz will most def be our #2 and #3 guys...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:11 am    Post subject:

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Yin is right:
Health
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Defense

rest is noise


Of course we all want Ingram to have a healthy season, but I don't think it's a point of concern. He played 79 games in his 1st season and had missed only 4 games when that incident with Justise Winslow happened.

So far, he only had one considerable chunk of missed games due to injury, and that was caused by a rough play.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:16 am    Post subject:

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manlisten wrote:
There's no such thing as a sure thing but I'd say it's pretty much a sure thing that he increases his FGA, including 3PA, while getting higher quality attempts more often as well as increasing his FT%. 20+ppg is well within reach. Last season he averaged 22 when he had at least 16 FGA (15 games) and he only hit 11 3s total over that span. 19.6 PPG in 5 games with exactly 16 attempts.


16 attempts a game is legit 2nd option type usage. He has to average 19-21 a game if he gets that many looks. But there's a lot of deterrent to that happening this year.

Luke Walton believes in ball movement but seems allergic to hot individual scoring. I don't think he realizes that the Warriors which he tries to emulate are actually very top heavy when it comes to usage and FGA with KD, Steph and Klay getting 18, 16 and 16 FGA each respectively. Sure they pass the ball around during a possession but the ball ultimately ends up on one of those 3 key guys. Luke wants the ball passed around but doesn't have much of a plan where it ends up before the shot. I would be pleasantly surprised if Luke adopts a top heavy approach and get both Kuz and Ingram 15+ looks next season.

We also have a bunch of vets who will want to get their shots. We brought in Beasley who's gonna shoot at least 10 a game from the bench who also plays forward. Lebron of course is here which means better efficiency but less attempts for everybody else(good for the team, not for individual stats).

So no, I don't think BI will even get 14 FGA this season which means he'll probably end up with 17-18ppg on more effecient shooting.
Fair, but a coach also has to adapt to his personnel. Sure BI and Kuz can get hot for a quarter or two, but it is nothing like having two of the top 5 scorers in the league playing off each other. Why do you think the heavily under-talented 2014 Spurs so thoroughly dismantled prime Lebron and the Heatles? I get Luke is no Pop but if we can get to playing more like that we will be very, very difficult to stop.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:30 am    Post subject:

Judah wrote:
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Ingram has the best chance of turning into a Durant or PG type of player.


Pretty big divide b/w KD/PG.

I've never understood why people think BI/KD has any comparison other than they are both insanely long and skinny. They play nothing alike IMO.


Yeah, I've never agreed with the KD comparisons. How do you feel about the comparisons with PG?


I don't see it. PG was always a pretty stout defender. BI has some tools but defense wasn't exactly his calling card. BI has a lot of time though and I'm excited about him.

When he was drafted he actually had the reputation of being a very good defender. That was a big part of his upside as a prospect. To this point it just hasn't translated in his pro career. He still has to learn to use his length to his advantage. But I'm more confident he’ll get there with high basketball IQ guys like LeBron and Rondo shepherding his development now.


He's also very young and physically underdeveloped so I give him more time (at least until his 4th season next year).
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:00 am    Post subject:

What needs to be considered is Ingram and Ball are only 20 years old. And you can see it on the court where they are not yet physically developed like the other players. They will add muscle and strength. Hopefully, it doesn't slow them down.

Hart and Kuzma seems to be more developed and they did finish their college time. So they most likely are older.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:16 am    Post subject:

Bron and Ingram working out:

https://i.redd.it/7gfz04a5c3f11.jpg


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:20 am    Post subject:

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Bron and Ingram working out:

https://i.redd.it/7gfz04a5c3f11.jpg


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:20 am    Post subject:

BI approaches LBJ, looks at his shoulders. "So, do you work out?"
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:22 am    Post subject:

Man Ingram spent the first two months of his off season working out with two different trainers that he went out and searched for based on what he needed to work out. Now in early August he links up with Lebron (bleep) James? Think about the improvements he made last year working with just Brian Keefe, this year he's going to break the (bleep) out.

Another year of making LG pre season Ingram stat predictions look silly.
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BI approaches LBJ, looks at his shoulders. "So, do you work out?"


LBJ picks him up, does 20 curls, puts him back down and says 'yeah, but usually with heavier weights.'
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:39 am    Post subject:

1ngr4m wrote:
Bron and Ingram working out:

https://i.redd.it/7gfz04a5c3f11.jpg


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Think that’s the most open I’ve seen Ingram’s eyes. Lebron got all the kids googlied 😆
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:42 am    Post subject:

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BI approaches LBJ, looks at his shoulders. "So, do you work out?"


LBJ picks him up, does 20 curls, puts him back down and says 'yeah, but usually with heavier weights.'


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:46 am    Post subject:

1ngr4m wrote:
Bron and Ingram working out:

https://i.redd.it/7gfz04a5c3f11.jpg


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:09 pm    Post subject:

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1ngr4m wrote:
Bron and Ingram working out:

https://i.redd.it/7gfz04a5c3f11.jpg


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KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
Bron and Ingram working out:

https://i.redd.it/7gfz04a5c3f11.jpg


I'm (bleep) hype


Think that’s the most open I’ve seen Ingram’s eyes. Lebron got all the kids googlied 😆


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:11 pm    Post subject:

somewhat disappointed a bigger showing of Laker players didnt pop up once Lebron started hitting the Lakers practice facility. A big factor on how well/often you play will be on how well you mesh with Lebron so players should be soaking up as many reps as possible with him
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somewhat disappointed a bigger showing of Laker players didnt pop up once Lebron started hitting the Lakers practice facility. A big factor on how well/often you play will be on how well you mesh with Lebron so players should be soaking up as many reps as possible with him


I mean, Kuz and BI were there. Zo can't really run yet. Hart just got back into town today. Wagner had some signing or something today.

Give it a couple days and we'll see everyone trickling in.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:20 am    Post subject:

When LeBron Joined the Lakers, Everything Changed for Brandon Ingram

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To put it plainly, there is nothing quite like playing with LeBron. What touches Ingram gets next season will come through a very different course. Many more of them will be secondary actions—quick, decisive extensions of a play already made. The physical location of Ingram's shots and moves could change as a result, tilting his game away from the middle of the floor and more toward the wings. Opportunities to survey the floor will likely be all but gone. So much of Ingram's involvement stands to change, from timing to placement to utility.


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When LeBron Joined the Lakers, Everything Changed for Brandon Ingram

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To put it plainly, there is nothing quite like playing with LeBron. What touches Ingram gets next season will come through a very different course. Many more of them will be secondary actions—quick, decisive extensions of a play already made. The physical location of Ingram's shots and moves could change as a result, tilting his game away from the middle of the floor and more toward the wings. Opportunities to survey the floor will likely be all but gone. So much of Ingram's involvement stands to change, from timing to placement to utility.


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I agree with this. Though I'm interested to see what kind of secondary playmaker he can be.

If I'm BI, I'm shooting 1000+ 3s from the corners each day.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
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When LeBron Joined the Lakers, Everything Changed for Brandon Ingram

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To put it plainly, there is nothing quite like playing with LeBron. What touches Ingram gets next season will come through a very different course. Many more of them will be secondary actions—quick, decisive extensions of a play already made. The physical location of Ingram's shots and moves could change as a result, tilting his game away from the middle of the floor and more toward the wings. Opportunities to survey the floor will likely be all but gone. So much of Ingram's involvement stands to change, from timing to placement to utility.


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I agree with this. Though I'm interested to see what kind of secondary playmaker he can be.

If I'm BI, I'm shooting 1000+ 3s from the corners each day.


I am hoping for more of a give and take from LeBron this season. With so many guys that can create their own shot or create shots for others I’m hoping LeBron defers for stretches of the game to allow for guys like a Brandon Ingram to carry more of the Burden and keep guys fresh all season.

I think Lonzo will excel starting things off in transition, then he can defer to LeBron, Brandon, Rondo etc in the half court and make those open 3’s. I’d like to see a lot of off ball action for shots and less iso and spread the floor during the middle portion of games and then LeBron closes it out in the 4th.

Really this team has so many different ways they can score it’s going to be very exciting to watch it unfold.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
adkindo wrote:
When LeBron Joined the Lakers, Everything Changed for Brandon Ingram

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To put it plainly, there is nothing quite like playing with LeBron. What touches Ingram gets next season will come through a very different course. Many more of them will be secondary actions—quick, decisive extensions of a play already made. The physical location of Ingram's shots and moves could change as a result, tilting his game away from the middle of the floor and more toward the wings. Opportunities to survey the floor will likely be all but gone. So much of Ingram's involvement stands to change, from timing to placement to utility.


LINK


I agree with this. Though I'm interested to see what kind of secondary playmaker he can be.

If I'm BI, I'm shooting 1000+ 3s from the corners each day.



If I'm Lebron, I'm shooting 1000+ 3s from the corners each day too. It'd help the inevitable next step for him when he has to take less responsibility on both ends as he gets older.

Per the article: After all, why would a decorated team with winning priorities invest so much for Ingram to do things that James can do better?

Well Ingram can "do" at least one thing better than James - be younger. In that sense, let the guy(s) with less mileage on their knees have more control of the ball as the seasons go by, and start to play off ball more. this was supposedly the plan Magic and Pelinka presented him anyway, right? More playmakers around him to lighten his load?

I feel like the article writer forgets players always lose to Father Time in the end. While I agree with the premise that Ingram will have "developmental whiplash" because yes, he will get less touches now, I disagree that Lebron has to continue to do all the things Ingram was learning to do just because he's better at it right now. Both are going to have to evolve if they want to make this work.
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