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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:00 am    Post subject:

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What would you guys say that made Ingram.. if he ended up becoming an elite defender with a solid offensive game overall?

I don't think he can be a superstar unless he picks up 15 to 20 pounds and adds some strength. But allstar status a few years from now seems within reach if he doesn't.


My honest projection is that kind of player. Someone who can hopefully have all NBA defense potential, and is an 18-22ppg level scorer who can also dime 4.5-5apg and 6-8 rpg.

That is a very good player even if that is not a superstar.


I would LOVE for Ingram to become prime Andrei Kirilenko.


Good luck with that. AK47 averaged like 2 stls and 3 blks in his prime. He was a BEAST.


Just a defensive playmaking knack that Ingram doesn’t have. Bumping down/helping and getting blocks ; passing lanes , etc. Someone like Jonathan Isaac actually has that. Maybe he can develop it but it seems intrinsic — imagine if u put Zo in Ingram’s body.....

BI also has to get back to actually trying to play fast/explosive, this was his mentality his rookie year. We were really optimistic about his athleticism then
https://youtu.be/5SttD9kNcyU?t=63


Yeah. Without the defensive stats, AK was pretty ordinary, even in his prime. Like 15-6-3 or something.

Oh man. Zo with Ingrams length? That is AK47 like =)
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Defensively, BI is more like a Tayshaun Prince style defender. Not a major shot blocker but someone who would use insane length to contest and be a nuisance. Tay wasn't explosive athletically speaking but was a menace on defense.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
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What would you guys say that made Ingram.. if he ended up becoming an elite defender with a solid offensive game overall?

I don't think he can be a superstar unless he picks up 15 to 20 pounds and adds some strength. But allstar status a few years from now seems within reach if he doesn't.


My honest projection is that kind of player. Someone who can hopefully have all NBA defense potential, and is an 18-22ppg level scorer who can also dime 4.5-5apg and 6-8 rpg.

That is a very good player even if that is not a superstar.


I would LOVE for Ingram to become prime Andrei Kirilenko.


Good luck with that. AK47 averaged like 2 stls and 3 blks in his prime. He was a BEAST.


Just a defensive playmaking knack that Ingram doesn’t have. Bumping down/helping and getting blocks ; passing lanes , etc. Someone like Jonathan Isaac actually has that. Maybe he can develop it but it seems intrinsic — imagine if u put Zo in Ingram’s body.....

BI also has to get back to actually trying to play fast/explosive, this was his mentality his rookie year. We were really optimistic about his athleticism then
https://youtu.be/5SttD9kNcyU?t=63


Not sure what happened to that guy. I was optimistic about his explosiveness around the rim then.
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Dr. Laker wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
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What would you guys say that made Ingram.. if he ended up becoming an elite defender with a solid offensive game overall?

I don't think he can be a superstar unless he picks up 15 to 20 pounds and adds some strength. But allstar status a few years from now seems within reach if he doesn't.


My honest projection is that kind of player. Someone who can hopefully have all NBA defense potential, and is an 18-22ppg level scorer who can also dime 4.5-5apg and 6-8 rpg.

That is a very good player even if that is not a superstar.


I would LOVE for Ingram to become prime Andrei Kirilenko.


Good luck with that. AK47 averaged like 2 stls and 3 blks in his prime. He was a BEAST.


Just a defensive playmaking knack that Ingram doesn’t have. Bumping down/helping and getting blocks ; passing lanes , etc. Someone like Jonathan Isaac actually has that. Maybe he can develop it but it seems intrinsic — imagine if u put Zo in Ingram’s body.....

BI also has to get back to actually trying to play fast/explosive, this was his mentality his rookie year. We were really optimistic about his athleticism then
https://youtu.be/5SttD9kNcyU?t=63


Not sure what happened to that guy. I was optimistic about his explosiveness around the rim then.


Right?
I think a large part of it comes down to mentality & energy conservation.
While functionally, he stopped having good bend /athletic stance, and that is where athleticism springs from - this happens to bigmen over the course of their career cuz the long legs ; joints hurt and they stop being able to bend, and therefor move/jump out of that athletic stance.
Not having good bend is just more natural for his super long legs/poor strength.

Rookie year he played with a nervous energy , like Kuzma - the mindset of I’m gunna play as fast and athletic as possible. Without that mindset he moves like a normal 6’11 guy, cuz that’s how long his limbs are

I guess there’s a chance he unlocks that old explosiveness with more strength? Would really help
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Defensively, BI is more like a Tayshaun Prince style defender. Not a major shot blocker but someone who would use insane length to contest and be a nuisance. Tay wasn't explosive athletically speaking but was a menace on defense.


I'm trying to remember Tayshaun's game, but, to me, it feels like Prince was better at using his length to incrementally complement his good defense whereas, right now at least, it feels like Ingram uses his length to make up for so-so defense. If that makes any sense.

In other words, if Ingram wasn't so long, I don't think he'd make for a very good defender. But if Prince weren't so long, he'd be much less effective, but still alright.
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Defensively, BI is more like a Tayshaun Prince style defender. Not a major shot blocker but someone who would use insane length to contest and be a nuisance. Tay wasn't explosive athletically speaking but was a menace on defense.


I'm trying to remember Tayshaun's game, but, to me, it feels like Prince was better at using his length to incrementally complement his good defense whereas, right now at least, it feels like Ingram uses his length to make up for so-so defense. If that makes any sense.


But Tay came into the league after 4 years of college (and he was still a twig). I think BI is getting better at it. His main problem is getting beat often at the point of attack b/c of his stance, high hips/center of gravity. Not sure how to address that though.
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Defensively, BI is more like a Tayshaun Prince style defender. Not a major shot blocker but someone who would use insane length to contest and be a nuisance. Tay wasn't explosive athletically speaking but was a menace on defense.


I'm trying to remember Tayshaun's game, but, to me, it feels like Prince was better at using his length to incrementally complement his good defense whereas, right now at least, it feels like Ingram uses his length to make up for so-so defense. If that makes any sense.

In other words, if Ingram wasn't so long, I don't think he'd make for a very good defender. But if Prince weren't so long, he'd be much less effective, but still alright.


Yup, accurate. The length makes up for the quickness deficits
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:24 am    Post subject:

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I don't see him ever becoming a 20 point scorer on the lakers, at least not with the way the roster looks now or projects to become


Depends on if he still maintains his 13 attempts per game. If he gets the opportunity I think he can be a reliable 20ppg player if he can improve his efficiency.

I see him leaving 5 pts on the court every night. Finish on a couple of those drives that roll of the rim or where he is bumped (fouled?) off balance and make 1 more FT.

Maybe I’m overly optimistic but he still has so much room to develop.

Funny how Butler and Leonard did not become that efficient and average close to 20 pts until their 4th or 5th years yet Ingram can’t in just his 3rd year.
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KL got that through improving his shooting. Like tremendously improving his shooting.
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I don't see him ever becoming a 20 point scorer on the lakers, at least not with the way the roster looks now or projects to become


Depends on if he still maintains his 13 attempts per game. If he gets the opportunity I think he can be a reliable 20ppg player if he can improve his efficiency.

I see him leaving 5 pts on the court every night. Finish on a couple of those drives that roll of the rim or where he is bumped (fouled?) off balance and make 1 more FT.

Maybe I’m overly optimistic but he still has so much room to develop.

Funny how Butler and Leonard did not become that efficient and average close to 20 pts until their 4th or 5th years yet Ingram can’t in just his 3rd year.


Yes, but the point about BI not doing it on the Lakers, is because we're in position to acquire a 2nd star.

Unless BI plays well enough to relegate that 2nd star to the third wheel, 20 pts isn't happening in the purple and gold most likely. Perhaps if the second star isn't a scoring type of star it's possible but even then, I see Kuz being positioned above Ingam from a scoring perspective
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:41 am    Post subject:

Realistically, we're planning on stashing BI for 2 to 3 years hoping he can step into the #1/#2 roll once the LeBron era winds down. If things go to plan, he'll be the #3b option to have the ball in his hands until then.

1) Bron
2) Max FA
3a) Lead Guard
3b) BI
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:42 am    Post subject:

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Realistically, we're planning on stashing BI for 2 to 3 years hoping he can step into the #1/#2 roll once the LeBron era winds down. If things go to plan, he'll be the #3b option to have the ball in his hands until then.

1) Bron
2) Max FA
3a) Lead Guard
3b) BI


Kuz? BI may have to go further down the offensive ladder, but may spearhead our defense (with Lonzo).
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Realistically, we're planning on stashing BI for 2 to 3 years hoping he can step into the #1/#2 roll once the LeBron era winds down. If things go to plan, he'll be the #3b option to have the ball in his hands until then.

1) Bron
2) Max FA
3a) Lead Guard
3b) BI


Kuz? BI may have to go further down the offensive ladder, but may spearhead our defense (with Lonzo).


He said 3b to have the ball in his hands. Liz isn’t a guy you give the ball to and ask him to create for himself or others. He’s a finisher. I think that’s what he was eluding to.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
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Realistically, we're planning on stashing BI for 2 to 3 years hoping he can step into the #1/#2 roll once the LeBron era winds down. If things go to plan, he'll be the #3b option to have the ball in his hands until then.

1) Bron
2) Max FA
3a) Lead Guard
3b) BI


Kuz? BI may have to go further down the offensive ladder, but may spearhead our defense (with Lonzo).


He said 3b to have the ball in his hands. Liz isn’t a guy you give the ball to and ask him to create for himself or others. He’s a finisher. I think that’s what he was eluding to.


Liz?
But the point is someone is going to feel like they're not getting enough shots.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:57 am    Post subject:

Luminous8 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
Realistically, we're planning on stashing BI for 2 to 3 years hoping he can step into the #1/#2 roll once the LeBron era winds down. If things go to plan, he'll be the #3b option to have the ball in his hands until then.

1) Bron
2) Max FA
3a) Lead Guard
3b) BI


Kuz? BI may have to go further down the offensive ladder, but may spearhead our defense (with Lonzo).


He said 3b to have the ball in his hands. Liz isn’t a guy you give the ball to and ask him to create for himself or others. He’s a finisher. I think that’s what he was eluding to.


Yea that’s what I thought too
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yinoma2001 wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
Realistically, we're planning on stashing BI for 2 to 3 years hoping he can step into the #1/#2 roll once the LeBron era winds down. If things go to plan, he'll be the #3b option to have the ball in his hands until then.

1) Bron
2) Max FA
3a) Lead Guard
3b) BI


Kuz? BI may have to go further down the offensive ladder, but may spearhead our defense (with Lonzo).


I was sort of splitting up creating and scoring. Scoring wise, Kuz will be near the top. Initiating/Creating wise, Kuz is much better off being a threat one pass away.

Although, the Zubac/Kuz P&R is looking pretty good so he might climb the "create" ladder also.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:58 am    Post subject:

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Defensively, BI is more like a Tayshaun Prince style defender. Not a major shot blocker but someone who would use insane length to contest and be a nuisance. Tay wasn't explosive athletically speaking but was a menace on defense.


I'm trying to remember Tayshaun's game, but, to me, it feels like Prince was better at using his length to incrementally complement his good defense whereas, right now at least, it feels like Ingram uses his length to make up for so-so defense. If that makes any sense.

In other words, if Ingram wasn't so long, I don't think he'd make for a very good defender. But if Prince weren't so long, he'd be much less effective, but still alright.


tayshaun was a much better 1:1 defender. i remember he caused kobe problems whenever they matched up. he also was a deadeye 3pt shooter from the corners and became detroit's X factor during their championship run. ingram has a long ways to go to get there.
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At (102.4) Brandon Ingram has the 9th best defensive rating in the league for guys playing +30 min per game. Thats tied with guys like Draymond Green & Rudy Gobert.


Reason why BI can fit the system. He needs to learn not to iso to much cause he is not explosive, but in the move he is very potent.

I think BI is our Draymond can do all the things he can do.

Kuz is more like Klay
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At (102.4) Brandon Ingram has the 9th best defensive rating in the league for guys playing +30 min per game. Thats tied with guys like Draymond Green & Rudy Gobert.


Reason why BI can fit the system. He needs to learn not to iso to much cause he is not explosive, but in the move he is very potent.

I think BI is our Draymond can do all the things he can do.

Kuz is more like Klay


I think Lonzo is our "Dray." BI would hopefully be an "Iggy" player who plays more minutes.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
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At (102.4) Brandon Ingram has the 9th best defensive rating in the league for guys playing +30 min per game. Thats tied with guys like Draymond Green & Rudy Gobert.


Reason why BI can fit the system. He needs to learn not to iso to much cause he is not explosive, but in the move he is very potent.

I think BI is our Draymond can do all the things he can do.

Kuz is more like Klay


I think Lonzo is our "Dray." BI would hopefully be an "Iggy" player who plays more minutes.


Lonzo is our Draymond? BI is Iggy? Those are some weird comparisons.
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At (102.4) Brandon Ingram has the 9th best defensive rating in the league for guys playing +30 min per game. Thats tied with guys like Draymond Green & Rudy Gobert.


Reason why BI can fit the system. He needs to learn not to iso to much cause he is not explosive, but in the move he is very potent.

I think BI is our Draymond can do all the things he can do.

Kuz is more like Klay


I think Lonzo is our "Dray." BI would hopefully be an "Iggy" player who plays more minutes.


Lonzo is our Draymond? BI is Iggy? Those are some weird comparisons.


Dray = multipositional defender who doesn't take shots and isn't a scoring threat.

Iggy = multipositional defender who will be a primary lockdown guy on wing defenders.

I'm not taking it 100% literal, just roles.
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At (102.4) Brandon Ingram has the 9th best defensive rating in the league for guys playing +30 min per game. Thats tied with guys like Draymond Green & Rudy Gobert.


Reason why BI can fit the system. He needs to learn not to iso to much cause he is not explosive, but in the move he is very potent.

I think BI is our Draymond can do all the things he can do.

Kuz is more like Klay


I think Lonzo is our "Dray." BI would hopefully be an "Iggy" player who plays more minutes.


Lonzo is our Draymond? BI is Iggy? Those are some weird comparisons.


Its spot on imo
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yinoma2001 wrote:
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At (102.4) Brandon Ingram has the 9th best defensive rating in the league for guys playing +30 min per game. Thats tied with guys like Draymond Green & Rudy Gobert.


Reason why BI can fit the system. He needs to learn not to iso to much cause he is not explosive, but in the move he is very potent.

I think BI is our Draymond can do all the things he can do.

Kuz is more like Klay


I think Lonzo is our "Dray." BI would hopefully be an "Iggy" player who plays more minutes.


Lonzo is our Draymond? BI is Iggy? Those are some weird comparisons.


Its spot on imo


Honestly, I know with #2 picks we expect all-NBA stars.

But if we got 2 max FAs (LBJ being one), and won the championship(s) with Lonzo playing Dray's role and BI being our Iggy (more minutes), are they considered disappointments? I would say not.

At some point the #2 pick thing goes away a bit (though it will always remain...remember Beez is a former #2 pick!!!).
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:44 am    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
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yinoma2001 wrote:
DLaker wrote:
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At (102.4) Brandon Ingram has the 9th best defensive rating in the league for guys playing +30 min per game. Thats tied with guys like Draymond Green & Rudy Gobert.


Reason why BI can fit the system. He needs to learn not to iso to much cause he is not explosive, but in the move he is very potent.

I think BI is our Draymond can do all the things he can do.

Kuz is more like Klay


I think Lonzo is our "Dray." BI would hopefully be an "Iggy" player who plays more minutes.


Lonzo is our Draymond? BI is Iggy? Those are some weird comparisons.


Its spot on imo


Funny, thats the way i see it too.
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Well, Outspoken and I have a funny relationship. So...
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