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As a creator, one area Ingram will eventually dominate in (in my opinion) is operating in the mid-post area. He’s just too big and long for most wings to contest there. Ingram has already shown a proclivity in this fashion, registering a 1.00 points per possession efficiency mark on 18 finishing possessions on post-ups this year, good for the 79th percentile per Synergy Sports.




I'd like to see a more active effort to get him shots in that area, but I think his aggression / confidence level will naturally increase as the season goes on.

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Ingram is doing this all without the lower body girth to really anchor and either move bodies for better position or dislodge defenders with his body to prevent contests. When (and if) he acquires said girth, he’s going to be a monster in this area.


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DLo has only been training for one year, my friend. lol. and that already improved him to this
. this is a pretty fricking monster dunk. Give him a couple more years and he may do that consistently


Almost a high flying act
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nash wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:

DLo has only been training for one year, my friend. lol. and that already improved him to this
. this is a pretty fricking monster dunk. Give him a couple more years and he may do that consistently


Almost a high flying act


I can never tell with you.
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
nash wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:

DLo has only been training for one year, my friend. lol. and that already improved him to this
. this is a pretty fricking monster dunk. Give him a couple more years and he may do that consistently


Almost a high flying act


I can never tell with you.


russell got one dunk all year his rookie season counting SL and PS. this season alone he got like 2 or 3. he definitely is more confident and athletic coming to his soph year
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
nash wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:

DLo has only been training for one year, my friend. lol. and that already improved him to this
. this is a pretty fricking monster dunk. Give him a couple more years and he may do that consistently


Almost a high flying act


I can never tell with you.


russell got one dunk all year his rookie season counting SL and PS. this season alone he got like 2 or 3. he definitely is more confident and athletic coming to his soph year


Yup.
There are quite a few examples of players gaining athleticism with NBA training, just from what I've noticed in the past couple years

Jabari Parker is another great example.
https://vine.co/v/idPipe7q5H0
https://vine.co/v/ijvhXTJTEg5
He wasn't close to being this explosive at Duke or in HS. He dunks on everybody now.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:50 pm    Post subject:

If you look at Russell after we drafted him and now, you can see a huge difference physically.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:05 pm    Post subject:

Luke Walton on where Brandon Ingram can get a little better


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Luke Walton: Just being more aggressive, honestly. And we keep telling him, and it's tough, you know, he's a rookie, he's trying to do what the coaches ask, he's trying to run the plays that are being called. But anytime someone picks him up 40 feet from the basket, we want him to, you know, spin off his man, get into the paint, the 'play' at that point is off. And from there, depending on what the defense does, he passes to a teammate, or he finishes around the rim. And, until he does that consistency, other teams are just gonna pick him up full court and try to pressure him.




Sounded very much like a teacher, but yes, he seems to really get it. It's a good thing they are telling Ingram to do this. Now some people don't have to think that Walton is telling Ingram not to be aggressive, it's the opposite. Ingram started to do that in Toronto, then fell off after, and then started it again vs Houston. So we'll see if he builds on that.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:21 pm    Post subject:

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Good article on Ingram.

https://twitter.com/The_Step_Back/status/807228825801265155

Wow. That was surprisingly excellent, lol.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:20 pm    Post subject:

He is going to be a 3rd or 4th option at best, on the court for his length in defense.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:46 pm    Post subject:

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He is going to be a 3rd or 4th option at best, on the court for his length in defense.

You're wrong, but whatever. Not like you'll remember this post four years from now.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:14 pm    Post subject:

He's had some nice drives again tonight but struggles to finish. That will improve with time.
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Wow what a finish over Chandler early in the 3rd
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:20 pm    Post subject:

He will be elite. It's clear as day
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:06 pm    Post subject:

Two clutch buckets but nothing else prior to that. Luke needs to beat it into him that he should be playing that aggressive all game.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:18 pm    Post subject:

whichever scout/gm compared him to Durant should get smack in the head.

Durant could get u buckets. this kid has ways to go.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:19 pm    Post subject:

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whichever scout/gm compared him to Durant should get smack in the head.

Durant could get u buckets. this kid has ways to go.


Physically they are similar.
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whichever scout/gm compared him to Durant should get smack in the head.

Durant could get u buckets. this kid has ways to go.

He's way better defensively than kd was. This is kds best defensive year and bi is right there. Bi can shoot. That will come. He has as good handles as kd had


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:21 pm    Post subject:

Halflife wrote:
He will be elite. It's clear as day


I agree. You're only box score watching if you can't see it...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:33 pm    Post subject:

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Mike. Question. All players undergo professional strength training regime once they enter the NBA.

How is it that some improve drastically (Giannis) and some only moderately (Russell) despite the fact that both were underdeveloped physically. How do we discern which category the prospect would fall under? Is it just a luck thingy, or is there legitimate criteria and observation that allows the franchise to make a guided prediction?


All lottery-type players essentially get NBA strength training prior to their rookie season. For some players, it doesn't work well, but it's a way to add draft stock.

It took Giannis 3-4 years.'

Another part? Genes. Guys like KD, Tayshaun, Reggie Miller, KG all stayed skinny, but eventually they were able to compete physically at the NBA level, with some help from measurables (wingspan, standing reach).

It's better for Ingram to go through this route naturally, than to go through Ben Simmons's training (supposedly went from 245lbs to 260lbs), and then getting a broken foot, or Greg Oden going from 245lbs to 270lbs+ and then exploding his knees.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:36 pm    Post subject:

Jim99187 wrote:
whichever scout/gm compared him to Durant should get smack in the head.

Durant could get u buckets. this kid has ways to go.


Durant was a year older than Ingram as a rookie.

Durant's best defensive year was his frosh year at Texas. 11rpg, 1.9stlpg 1.9bpg.

Only just now he's focusing on D at the NBA level because offense comes so easy for the Warriors.
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
ratra_1211 wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
nash wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:

DLo has only been training for one year, my friend. lol. and that already improved him to this
. this is a pretty fricking monster dunk. Give him a couple more years and he may do that consistently


Almost a high flying act


I can never tell with you.


russell got one dunk all year his rookie season counting SL and PS. this season alone he got like 2 or 3. he definitely is more confident and athletic coming to his soph year


Yup.
There are quite a few examples of players gaining athleticism with NBA training, just from what I've noticed in the past couple years

Jabari Parker is another great example.
https://vine.co/v/idPipe7q5H0
https://vine.co/v/ijvhXTJTEg5
He wasn't close to being this explosive at Duke or in HS. He dunks on everybody now.


Parker tore his ACL. All of this stuff lately shows how close he is to completing recovery.

Tad pudgy at Duke.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:58 pm    Post subject:

It's a confidence issue right now with the shot. He's gonna have to overcome it just like he did early at Duke- and when that happens he'll take off.

I think they should try to get him off early at the start of games. Right away go to him in the post like we used to do with Bynum.
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Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
ratra_1211 wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
nash wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:

DLo has only been training for one year, my friend. lol. and that already improved him to this
. this is a pretty fricking monster dunk. Give him a couple more years and he may do that consistently


Almost a high flying act


I can never tell with you.


russell got one dunk all year his rookie season counting SL and PS. this season alone he got like 2 or 3. he definitely is more confident and athletic coming to his soph year


Yup.
There are quite a few examples of players gaining athleticism with NBA training, just from what I've noticed in the past couple years

Jabari Parker is another great example.
https://vine.co/v/idPipe7q5H0
https://vine.co/v/ijvhXTJTEg5
He wasn't close to being this explosive at Duke or in HS. He dunks on everybody now.


Parker tore his ACL. All of this stuff lately shows how close he is to completing recovery.

Tad pudgy at Duke.


http://defpen.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Jabari-Parker2.jpg he's still pudgy. http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jabari+Parker+aXVrIT15Ha6m.jpg

He's just had NBA training now. He went hard training his legs and he's way more athletic than ever man. He's dunking everywhere, never ever did this before
NBA training..
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:27 pm    Post subject:

Pudgy describes Zubac also, though he runs the floor exceptionally well for a big. These guys are so young they haven't burned that baby fat just yet. They'll be monsters when they do.
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He's just had NBA training now. He went hard training his legs and he's way more athletic than ever man. He's dunking everywhere, never ever did this before
NBA training..


I meant, dude was nearly 10% body fat at Duke. He's always been a thick guy. I wouldn't necessarily call him as pudgy now.
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