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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:52 am    Post subject:

18/6 against lebron is great.

I see this boy show up against elite players which is good. showed by big time against PG13 as well
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:00 am    Post subject:

Whats Coop up to these days? He'd be perfect for BI to learn defense from. Both are lanky and BI will probably never have a NFL body. Or offense, Kob + Magic would be great for him. Even if its just a 4wk plan with each. Use our legends. Same goes for DLo.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:14 am    Post subject:

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Good to see him putting together a nice stretch. So is it safe to say he has turned the corner now? Lol


I'm not ready to say that. I'm happy with his improvement but I need to see him play this way through at least March. I think he can.


Fair enough, I think he can too.


Hoping for progression to the mean through the rest of the season

18/6 on an off game is something to behold with his season. We'd be throwing a parade if he had that statline in December
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:18 am    Post subject:

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anyone still want to trade him for PG or Cousins?

Once the kid gets his shot right, instant all star


I'm on record for saying yes to this or trading into the draft if we lose the pick. I'm still on board with it, but I've been noticing his improvement too... so I certainly won't snub my nose at playing the long game with his development if he continues his consistent improvement like this
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:20 am    Post subject:

Just like D'angelo, he's showing enough to warrant excitement and patience. I'd like to keep him as part of the future core going forward. Be tough to trade him away unless it netted something spectacular.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:20 am    Post subject:

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The 2016 NBA rookie class has fallen short of expectations. By the numbers, it’s the worst class in modern NBA history. Since 1979–80, the season the league added the 3-point line, no group of newcomers has ever posted fewer win shares (a metric that estimates the number of wins an individual player produces for his team). In layman terms, the 2016 class has contributed less towards winning than any other group.


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The same can’t be said for Ingram, who still looks like a toothpick with limbs. Ingram has gotten roasted on defense because players can plow through him. But since he’s playing on a losing team, he’s still receiving heavy minutes and a consistent offensive role. According to Synergy, the Duke product is scoring only 0.81 points per possession, which ranks in the 16th percentile of all NBA players. That’s not good. But within the context of a rebuilding Lakers team, he’s been asked to run a ton of pick-and-rolls and isolations, both of which are more advanced play types that a teenager might not be ready for.

If Ingram swapped places with Brown and played a more clearly defined role on a winning team, perhaps his efficiency would rise. But that wouldn’t change the fact his body is nowhere close to NBA-ready. Part of the reason the Lakers can’t give him a heavier workload is his body might not be able to sustain the pounding that would come with it. The Lakers knew what they were getting; Ingram they will have to wait for, and they’re being smart by limiting him.


https://theringer.com/reevaluating-the-2016-nba-draft-class-46df7c76e2b2#.qlsp0f8i6

A bit rough on Ingram, but we all knew he would need some time.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:31 am    Post subject:

18/6 is nice I was impressed by his on ball defense against LBJ today. Particualry, that one play at 7min mark. Held his position surprisingly well for how much lbs hes giving up. Made LeBron take a tough shot, which he missed.

We need a defensive assistant coach. Maybe goto the college ranks if need be. Of course, history has shown, consistency and defense are always the a deficiency with a roster as young as ours. I like the idea of keeping defensive specialists on the roster like Nwaba.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:38 am    Post subject:

Slim's offensive potential is nice. Post moves? Check. Off the dribble? Check. Long ball and mid range (even though inconsistent)? Check. Nice first step and blow by speed (lmao)? Check. Match that with his length and defensive awareness, we got a ball player.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:41 am    Post subject:

ingle wrote:
anyone still want to trade him for PG or Cousins?

Once the kid gets his shot right, instant all star


They put a franchise tag on him by not trading him for Cousins. I hope it works out.

Also, anyone remember PG at 19?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:42 am    Post subject:

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Slim's offensive potential is nice. Post moves? Check. Off the dribble? Check. Long ball and mid range (even though inconsistent)? Check. Nice first step and blow by speed (lmao)? Check. Match that with his length and defensive awareness, we got a ball player.


He's been strong in the post. Dat length!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:44 am    Post subject:

That donut he grabbed against Boston was a turning point. Since then, he is:

16/6/2 - 39min
13/4/5 - 35min
14/6/3 - 41min
12/3/1 - 38min (2bl/3st)
14/1/2 - 27min
18/6/3 - 39min
11/1/4 - 34min
18/6/1 - 40min

Nice stretch!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:51 am    Post subject:

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That donut he grabbed against Boston was a turning point. Since then, he is:

16/6/2 - 39min
13/4/5 - 35min
14/6/3 - 41min
12/3/1 - 38min (2bl/3st)
14/1/2 - 27min
18/6/3 - 39min
11/1/4 - 34min
18/6/1 - 40min

Nice stretch!


If I remember well he had a couple of good games before the "donut". He is improving.
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cKPayasoLoco wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
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Good to see him putting together a nice stretch. So is it safe to say he has turned the corner now? Lol


IMO, he's performing as well as he can for his age group AKA the top 2017 draft prospects -

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Ingram is younger than Josh Jackson, a month older than Lonzo Ball, and a few months older than guys like Markelle Fultz and Jayson Tatum. Crazy.


Of course, playing in a unit that doesn't have Lou and Clarkson combining for usg% of 55-56 would kinda explain the jump in aggression (Just wondering why people are acting all surprised about this).

Because we were told according to some analytics he's the worst player in the nba

He was. He's played a lot better since. Amazing how that works, huh?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:56 am    Post subject:

I think at the very least Ingram develops into a solid multi tool starter

perfectly happy with that
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:57 am    Post subject:

tox wrote:
cKPayasoLoco wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Andre2K wrote:
Good to see him putting together a nice stretch. So is it safe to say he has turned the corner now? Lol


IMO, he's performing as well as he can for his age group AKA the top 2017 draft prospects -

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Ingram is younger than Josh Jackson, a month older than Lonzo Ball, and a few months older than guys like Markelle Fultz and Jayson Tatum. Crazy.


Of course, playing in a unit that doesn't have Lou and Clarkson combining for usg% of 55-56 would kinda explain the jump in aggression (Just wondering why people are acting all surprised about this).

Because we were told according to some analytics he's the worst player in the nba

He was. He's played a lot better since. Amazing how that works, huh?

And whenever people posted that, it was usually phrased like "I think Ingram can and will be a good player, but right now he's the worst player in the league according to many all-in-one metrics." Funny how that first part gets left out.

In any case, keep it up BI. He's playing great rn
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:03 am    Post subject:

Eindhoven wrote:
That donut he grabbed against Boston was a turning point. Since then, he is:

16/6/2 - 39min
13/4/5 - 35min
14/6/3 - 41min
12/3/1 - 38min (2bl/3st)
14/1/2 - 27min
18/6/3 - 39min
11/1/4 - 34min
18/6/1 - 40min

Nice stretch!


It's impressive that he's been able to log those kinds of minutes.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:12 am    Post subject:

Fastbreak32 wrote:
Eindhoven wrote:
That donut he grabbed against Boston was a turning point. Since then, he is:

16/6/2 - 39min
13/4/5 - 35min
14/6/3 - 41min
12/3/1 - 38min (2bl/3st)
14/1/2 - 27min
18/6/3 - 39min
11/1/4 - 34min
18/6/1 - 40min

Nice stretch!


It's impressive that he's been able to log those kinds of minutes.


Yeah. He's been healthy all season long, and, as it shows by his improving numbers, he's probably not feeling dead legs or something like that.

Imagine having a 20/5/5 guy that can can guard multiple positions, handle the ball, have a nice offensive arsenal and do it consistently for 82 games and 38 mpg.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:14 am    Post subject:

I've definitely been frustrated with Ingram at some parts of the season: after the Miami game where he let Winslow light him up and the Boston game where he posted a doughnut, but I've genuinely been impressed with the strides he's made as a player. Want him to keep this up.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:36 am    Post subject:

400!!

Brandon is about to blow-up with that long "Space Jam" reach!!
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AY2043 wrote:
tox wrote:
cKPayasoLoco wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Andre2K wrote:
Good to see him putting together a nice stretch. So is it safe to say he has turned the corner now? Lol


IMO, he's performing as well as he can for his age group AKA the top 2017 draft prospects -

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Ingram is younger than Josh Jackson, a month older than Lonzo Ball, and a few months older than guys like Markelle Fultz and Jayson Tatum. Crazy.


Of course, playing in a unit that doesn't have Lou and Clarkson combining for usg% of 55-56 would kinda explain the jump in aggression (Just wondering why people are acting all surprised about this).

Because we were told according to some analytics he's the worst player in the nba

He was. He's played a lot better since. Amazing how that works, huh?

And whenever people posted that, it was usually phrased like "I think Ingram can and will be a good player, but right now he's the worst player in the league according to many all-in-one metrics." Funny how that first part gets left out.

In any case, keep it up BI. He's playing great rn


When I have time, I'll do a long piece on why this wasn't necessarily true. It was a blatant example of a false equivalence at the time. Combine that with his min played, low usg%, lack of FGAs, lack of involvement/opportunity, it didn't make much sense. When Deng's percentages dipped to 34%/24% (which I believe the worst of his career) after his relegation to the second unit (w/ Lou and Clarkson), I coined it as getting Ingram'd. Why is that?

The fascination with taking certain metrics at face value and then making rather inaccurate conclusions from them is one of the reasons I lost faith in this thread. And to be fair, a writer at BR who did a piece on Ingram's defense was guilty of this as well. Let's just say if a GM made a move based on it, he wouldn't be a GM for much longer.
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KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AY2043 wrote:
tox wrote:
cKPayasoLoco wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Andre2K wrote:
Good to see him putting together a nice stretch. So is it safe to say he has turned the corner now? Lol


IMO, he's performing as well as he can for his age group AKA the top 2017 draft prospects -

Quote:
Ingram is younger than Josh Jackson, a month older than Lonzo Ball, and a few months older than guys like Markelle Fultz and Jayson Tatum. Crazy.


Of course, playing in a unit that doesn't have Lou and Clarkson combining for usg% of 55-56 would kinda explain the jump in aggression (Just wondering why people are acting all surprised about this).

Because we were told according to some analytics he's the worst player in the nba

He was. He's played a lot better since. Amazing how that works, huh?

And whenever people posted that, it was usually phrased like "I think Ingram can and will be a good player, but right now he's the worst player in the league according to many all-in-one metrics." Funny how that first part gets left out.

In any case, keep it up BI. He's playing great rn


When I have time, I'll do a long piece on why this wasn't necessarily true. It was a blatant example of a false equivalence at the time. Combine that with his min played, low usg%, lack of FGAs, lack of involvement/opportunity, it didn't make much sense. When Deng's percentages dipped to 34%/24% (which I believe the worst of his career) after his relegation to the second unit (w/ Lou and Clarkson), I coined it as getting Ingram'd. Why is that?

The fascination with taking certain metrics at face value and then making rather inaccurate conclusions from them is one of the reasons I lost faith in this thread. And to be fair, a writer at BR who did a piece on Ingram's defense was guilty of this as well. Let's just say if a GM made a move based on it, he wouldn't be a GM for much longer.


There were a few folks who were calling him a bust, etc., naturally. That'll happen when a guy is playing like the worst player in the NBA (well, among players that play a lot). But the sane people in this thread understood that even if the stats were right about Ingram being terrible, they didn't portend much for his future.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:22 pm    Post subject:

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Hope he continues this play and finishes the season off strong. Give him some confidence going into the offseason. Spend a summer eating, bulking up, working on that shot, and training under Kobe, I'm very interested to see how he will look in year 2.


Kobe is the perfect guy for Ingram to work with. Also, love having Magic around to help him see the game as a 6'9 play maker.


Same here- epecially with Ingram being a willing pupil and a hard worker. I'm excited to see what type of jump he makes next year.
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tox wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AY2043 wrote:
tox wrote:
cKPayasoLoco wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Andre2K wrote:
Good to see him putting together a nice stretch. So is it safe to say he has turned the corner now? Lol


IMO, he's performing as well as he can for his age group AKA the top 2017 draft prospects -

Quote:
Ingram is younger than Josh Jackson, a month older than Lonzo Ball, and a few months older than guys like Markelle Fultz and Jayson Tatum. Crazy.


Of course, playing in a unit that doesn't have Lou and Clarkson combining for usg% of 55-56 would kinda explain the jump in aggression (Just wondering why people are acting all surprised about this).

Because we were told according to some analytics he's the worst player in the nba

He was. He's played a lot better since. Amazing how that works, huh?

And whenever people posted that, it was usually phrased like "I think Ingram can and will be a good player, but right now he's the worst player in the league according to many all-in-one metrics." Funny how that first part gets left out.

In any case, keep it up BI. He's playing great rn


When I have time, I'll do a long piece on why this wasn't necessarily true. It was a blatant example of a false equivalence at the time. Combine that with his min played, low usg%, lack of FGAs, lack of involvement/opportunity, it didn't make much sense. When Deng's percentages dipped to 34%/24% (which I believe the worst of his career) after his relegation to the second unit (w/ Lou and Clarkson), I coined it as getting Ingram'd. Why is that?

The fascination with taking certain metrics at face value and then making rather inaccurate conclusions from them is one of the reasons I lost faith in this thread. And to be fair, a writer at BR who did a piece on Ingram's defense was guilty of this as well. Let's just say if a GM made a move based on it, he wouldn't be a GM for much longer.


There were a few folks who were calling him a bust, etc., naturally. That'll happen when a guy is playing like the worst player in the NBA (well, among players that play a lot). But the sane people in this thread understood that even if the stats were right about Ingram being terrible, they didn't portend much for his future.


Fair enough. I always believed it was a matter of Luke putting him in the right position to succeed. There were numerous instances where Ingram (or the whole team for that matter) fell victim to unacceptable levels of isolation play, shot-jacking.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:37 pm    Post subject:

I love the way his confidence has gone up the last few weeks. He looks way more comfortable out there now.

The one thing that concerns me about Ingram is his steals and blocks seems to be very low for a guy with his length and IQ.
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I love the way his confidence has gone up the last few weeks. He looks way more comfortable out there now.

The one thing that concerns me about Ingram is his steals and blocks seems to be very low for a guy with his length and IQ.


Somehow I don't see that being a problem with him. All the top player in NBA history can and have made spectacular steals at key moments. As long as Ingram becomes one of those top players, we will see more and more steals from him.

As for blocks, maybe when he gets strong and quicker and reads the game better? It seems like a lot of times he just barely misses blocking a jump shooter...
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