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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:49 am    Post subject:

Someone needs to tell Zubac not to assume that these interviews won't make their way back over to the U.S. I'm glad he feels confident that he can win the starting spot, but he never would've spoken that candidly about McGee if it was Spectrum or some other network doing that interview.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:24 am    Post subject:

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Someone needs to tell Zubac not to assume that these interviews won't make their way back over to the U.S. I'm glad he feels confident that he can win the starting spot, but he never would've spoken that candidly about McGee if it was Spectrum or some other network doing that interview.

it's nothing new about McGee. when Lakers signed him , in all stories written about that signing was that he didn't play a lot of minutes per game wherever he played
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:45 am    Post subject:

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Thanks Agramer. Good stuff!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:24 am    Post subject:

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About working with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar:
It was just couple of times last season. Kareem expressed desire to be his mentor but front office apparently didn't come to agreement with him.


why not???
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:36 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
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About working with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar:
It was just couple of times last season. Kareem expressed desire to be his mentor but front office apparently didn't come to agreement with him.


why not???


he didn't elaborate why not, just that Kareem wanted a position in Lakers organisation to work with him
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:36 am    Post subject:

Agramer wrote:
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Agramer wrote:


About working with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar:
It was just couple of times last season. Kareem expressed desire to be his mentor but front office apparently didn't come to agreement with him.


why not???


he didn't elaborate why not, just that Kareem wanted a position in Lakers organisation to work with him
kareem wanted to get paid like he did with bynum. since they dont see Zu as their next bynum aka the next great big man. They are not willing to invest kareem money into zu. now if zu really wants that training he can pay for it out o his own pocket.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:19 pm    Post subject:

It's interesting that he said every spot was up for grabs outside of Lebron.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:05 pm    Post subject:

^^^ Sounds like a consistent message being communicated to all the players.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:32 pm    Post subject:

kawhileonard wrote:
It's interesting that he said every spot was up for grabs outside of Lebron.

Old news - like 2 months old
The front office said that like 2-3 days after Lebron told them he'd sign here and after Rondo was announced.

without bothering to go look it up, the gist of it was "Lebron is the only guaranteed starter - every other spot is up for grabs for who ever earns it"

I remember thinking at the time that it was kind of a message to Lonzo (and somewhat to Lavar) that he specifically had better get his act together
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:42 pm    Post subject:

Kareem must be one really annoying dude if the Lakers won't even consider having him on the staff...

All the rest of them ex-players are employed, if they want. Even Jamison.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:44 pm    Post subject:

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Kareem must be one really annoying dude if the Lakers won't even consider having him on the staff...

All the rest of them ex-players are employed, if they want. Even Jamison.

I think splashmtn's possible explanation makes the most sense.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:56 pm    Post subject:

Judah wrote:
ZenMaster4President wrote:
Kareem must be one really annoying dude if the Lakers won't even consider having him on the staff...

All the rest of them ex-players are employed, if they want. Even Jamison.

I think splashmtn's possible explanation makes the most sense.

it makes sense to not hire Kareem to only by Zu's personal mentor considering he is just a low risk project who may not pan out. But there's plenty of other roles that Kareem could be hired at if the Lakers really wanted to do a solid for a Laker/NBA legend (and if thats what Kareem really wants).
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:58 am    Post subject:

Well, reality is KAJ is 71 years old.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:05 am    Post subject:

ZenMaster4President wrote:
Kareem must be one really annoying dude if the Lakers won't even consider having him on the staff...

All the rest of them ex-players are employed, if they want. Even Jamison.
jamison is on Tv talking. kareem doesnt want to do that. he likes training big men. but its most likely at a price. and that price is probably too high for the lakers when it comes to a big man they dont see being "the next great big". The only reason they paid for cap to train drew was because that FO (jimbo) thought and saw drew as the next one. which he was right about minus the knees. Does anyone on this board think Zu is going to be even as good as bynum was post 3 knee injuries but still looking like the 2nd best big in the nba at the time while also being by far the best post move/low block big in the nba at the time before he left the lakers? Anyone see that in Zu? I dont. like zu a lot but i've never seen that in his game. and neither has the FO. so why put that kind of investment into zu. zu can do that on his own if he believes thats who he's capable of becoming.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:06 am    Post subject:

lakerican wrote:
Well, reality is KAJ is 71 years old.
that too. not just 71, but 71 that has gone thru some serious health issues the last few years. he's doing good now I believe but he had a scare or two a few years back.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:14 am    Post subject:

The center position has changed drastically. I can understand why they wouldn't want Kareem in a permanent role. He'd be fine if we had a talent like Porzingis as our franchise player. Otherwise I don't see the need.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:04 am    Post subject:

Zubac is going to have a good chance to win the starting center spot. McGee is not known to play a lot of minutes and Wagner is not ready yet.
Zubac should concentrate on defense, rim protection, and rebounding. And be able to hit the open close shot. A big C is needed against the good centers like Davis and Cousins.
Who starts may depend on matchups.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:34 am    Post subject:

laker50 wrote:
Zubac is going to have a good chance to win the starting center spot. McGee is not known to play a lot of minutes and Wagner is not ready yet.
Zubac should concentrate on defense, rim protection, and rebounding. And be able to hit the open close shot. A big C is needed against the good centers like Davis and Cousins.
Who starts may depend on matchups.


He'll be given a chance to get the spot but I disagree he has a good chance of getting it. As of right now...he's just not that good.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:49 pm    Post subject:

It's a center by committee, McGee for defense, Zubac for offense against centers, probably Beasley or Wagner as small ball offensive center.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:23 pm    Post subject:

splashmtn wrote:
Does anyone on this board think Zu is going to be even as good as bynum was post 3 knee injuries but still looking like the 2nd best big in the nba at the time while also being by far the best post move/low block big in the nba at the time before he left the lakers?


The thing is, not many saw that in Bynum either, before he started to work out with Kareem. He was just a big teener back then. It was only after the few years under guidance from the best that he became a factor.
Why could that not happen again?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:58 am    Post subject:

in preparation game against Slovenia before world qualifiers Zubac scored 10 pts on 5/8 shooting , got 9 rebounds (3 offensive) and 2 blocks (+ 1 foul and 1 turnover) in 17:18 minutes.
national coach split evenly playing time between Zubac and Žižić (from Cavs) regardless of how they were playing. Žižić got 18:12 minutes and had 15 pts on 4/7 shooting 7/10 free throws, 7 rebounds , 1 block
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:48 pm    Post subject:

lakerican wrote:
Well, reality is KAJ is 71 years old.


And what? He has nothing more to teach the bigs og today's game?

come on now -_-
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:01 pm    Post subject:

splashmtn wrote:
Does anyone on this board think Zu is going to be even as good as bynum was post 3 knee injuries but still looking like the 2nd best big in the nba at the time while also being by far the best post move/low block big in the nba at the time before he left the lakers? Anyone see that in Zu? I dont.


Did you think Bynum was going to come into his 3rd season where he'd average 17/10 2,4 BLK in December and look on his way to becoming an all-star before he went down with injury? Or were you one of the people saying "ship him out" before that season?

Look at Marc Gasol at the same age as Zubac and Zubac is far ahead of him.

Let's be frank, the only reason people soured on Zubac was because he had a poor summer league when he had a thousand personal things going on outside of basketball.

He dedicated himself that summer and decided not to go on a vacation and came into camp in great shape, he outplayed the bigs in camp, but the team was invested in Lopez and he got minutes and Zubac did not.

When Zubac got extended minutes he usually played very well, and when they ran the pick and roll he did EXCEEDINGLY well. Which is why when people go "well Zubac can't run the pick and roll he's a post up big" you KNOW they haven't actually watched him play and are just going "he's a euro big thats a post up player" without watching a single game he's played in.

Zubac's strengths lay in the pick and roll and his knowledge of where to be off ball, he has a hook shot and a mid range, but his strength is in the pick and roll primarily and where the majority of his points come.

And people also neglect the fact he just turned 21 this year.

Fact of the matter is, the Lakers essentially red shirted his last season, despite how far he progressed in practice or how many drills he won or outshined Bogut and Lopez. Because they had an investment so they kept him from playing. It's politics. It's why KCP is still a Laker when we have no use for him or his contract because of having Hart as a cheaper option and a prospect in Svi who looks to be a keeper.

Zubac can play, whether or not the Lakers treat him like "the one they didn't pick for greatness" and thus mis-utilize him while we watch another team get him and reap the benefits is up to them. But the kid has a lot of talent and can be of use to this team if he's given the opportunity. It's just about them giving him the opportunity. We already know the "earn it" rhetoric is bull. So it's really up to them to give him play time.

Even if Josh Hart outplays KCP during practice, and the pre-season nobody expects the front office to start him over KCP, as much of a shape as it would be.

The Lakers FO has a big problem with "forest and trees" and seeing them.

They don't really care how much a kid has improved unless they 'tout' them for the future, and if the kid improves too much it worries them cause then they may have to actually pay them for playing well, instead of chasing the another max.

Kareem wanted to work full time with Zubac like he did with Bynum, the FO assumes that Zubac won't be as good, so they don't do it, instead of pulling out the stops to make sure his development is maximized and thus failing to understand that Kareem must see something in him if he wanted to work full time with him. We tout Kuzma every time he throws up a skyhook but we're okay with the FO telling Kareem no when it comes to working full time with one of our better young big men?

The sad truth of the matter is, Zubac could come out next year, he could show improvement out the wazuu, he could even put up 15/9 with 1.3 blocks a game and look on his way to becoming an all-star. But the Lakers would sooner let him walk, than pay to keep him around because they want to chase down max's. They're playing the game OKC did which put them in the position they're in now that by the time they start spending on the talent they have, it's too late.

So we shall see how the Lakers pursue it. If Zubac shows out next year, I'd hope the Lakers extend him as he'd earned it. But I won't hold my breath.

Priorities now are chasing the max, and if they have a chance to get Jimmy Butler and let Zubac go to do so, they'll do just that and would put LeBron at center.

The question isn't whether or not it's the better choice, the question is if we're going to have rings to justify our position in the NBA once LeBron's retired and the kids we let go of start entering their prime right when the Warriors get old.

If we have 1-2 rings it was worth it, if we don't, then we goof'd. So the next 4 seasons will be very VERY interesting
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:12 pm    Post subject:

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Zubac can play, whether or not the Lakers treat him like "the one they didn't pick for greatness" and thus mis-utilize him while we watch another team get him and reap the benefits is up to them. But the kid has a lot of talent and can be of use to this team if he's given the opportunity. It's just about them giving him the opportunity. We already know the "earn it" rhetoric is bull. So it's really up to them to give him play time.



i predict right now, that if Zubac has a good season, most of people here will dismiss it as "oh, it's just because of LeBron". He'll profit from playing with LeBron for sure, but also his talent will have something to do with it
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:18 pm    Post subject:

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Zubac can play, whether or not the Lakers treat him like "the one they didn't pick for greatness" and thus mis-utilize him while we watch another team get him and reap the benefits is up to them. But the kid has a lot of talent and can be of use to this team if he's given the opportunity. It's just about them giving him the opportunity. We already know the "earn it" rhetoric is bull. So it's really up to them to give him play time.



i predict right now, that if Zubac has a good season, most of people here will dismiss it as "oh, it's just because of LeBron". He'll profit from playing with LeBron for sure, but also his talent will have something to do with it


if Zubac puts up 15/9 with 1 block a game this year which shows vast improvement, I'm very certain a lot of fans will go "it's because of LeBron" to justify the Lakers letting him walk at the end of the season in pursuit of another max.

Once more all these decisions will be put more so into perspective in LeBron's final season with us, whether it be the 3rd year or the 4th year.

Because he'll be winding it down, the kids we let go of in pursuit of max's will start entering their prime, and the max's we signed will be exiting theirs, right as the Warriors are starting to get old.

So we'll be able to look at these potential decisions in microcosm then.

Worst case scenario. No rings. The kids we let go of become All-stars. We can't get over the hump cause we don't have the pieces to put us over the top(which the kids we let go of would have done). The max's are exiting their prime, and we're in limbo right when the Warriors are there for the taking.

Best case scenario: We get 1-2 rings in this 4 season span and have enough to build off of once LeBron's gone to stay a contender.
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