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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:22 pm    Post subject:

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Zubac can play, whether or not the Lakers treat him like "the one they didn't pick for greatness" and thus mis-utilize him while we watch another team get him and reap the benefits is up to them. But the kid has a lot of talent and can be of use to this team if he's given the opportunity. It's just about them giving him the opportunity. We already know the "earn it" rhetoric is bull. So it's really up to them to give him play time.



i predict right now, that if Zubac has a good season, most of people here will dismiss it as "oh, it's just because of LeBron". He'll profit from playing with LeBron for sure, but also his talent will have something to do with it


Yes, I agree that will definitely happen. And I say to those naysayers, what is wrong with that? He's putting up those numbers as a center on the Lakers. Getting your youngsters to have break-out years just helps the team overall, short term and long term.

If Zubac averages 10/6 he will be a very nice asset in a trade. No extra pick is too low for our scouting department.


I really hate the rhetoric of "If a young player on our team plays well let's move him in a trade for a pick".

The point of using picks is to get players that start coming into their own and contributing for the team. It's self defeating to get a steal like Zubac and then when he starts playing up to it, say "alright! perfect time to move him for another pick we hope can do the same thing in 3-4 seasons" >_>

No, that's only one thing you can use a pick for. Every team isn't in the same situation or have the same resources at their disposal. The FO values flexibility, so if there's a need to be met or an advantage to be had and a pick can be used to help them get it, they should do it if they truly believe it's what's best for the team. And why wouldn't they? That's their job. And in the same way, if they thought it would be better for the team to retain a pick or a young player, they can do that too. Not too long ago we were talking about using picks to get rid of Deng. But they got rid of Deng without having to use any, so they're still in a strong position of flexibility.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:10 pm    Post subject:

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I think a good season for Zubac, would be 10/7 with 1 block a game. Considering the kind of minutes he'll likely be getting.

If he gets a good 25 MPG and puts up 10/7 with 1 block, and his Per35 was something like 15/10 then I think that would work pretty well.

The problem is, if he's a center coming into his own at 21, if the Lakers would be smart enough to re-sign him so they can have him when he's 24, or if they'll let him walk while going after another max.


I think their greatest fear at this point (sadly) is if Zubac DOES have a breakout year it means they'll have to pay him, and they aren't in the business of seeing the actual young players they didn't decree, as one of the players they actually want to pay. Unless they've chosen them for greatness.

Players like Kuzma or Ingram I doubt they'd have issue paying. But if Hart starts blowing up and playing out of his mind before his contract comes up, they'll likely let him walk if it means they can go after another max/role player that's already established instead of the guy who established himself on their team.

So we'll see how this all goes.

I prefer our situation to Minnesota's whom is trying to create the 2011 Bulls, and I am so glad we DIDN'T get Thibs.

So they should prioritize retaining Zubac over getting Kawhi, Jimmy Butler or some other legit star? Get outta here. Training camp is two weeks away and you still haven't accepted that the rebuild is over with. The biggest need right now is another star next to LeBron. Do you expect Zubac to play like the Croatian Shaq this year? If not, they're not going to pass on adding a second max player just so they can have enough money to pay Zubac in three years. Get real, man.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:26 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
I think a good season for Zubac, would be 10/7 with 1 block a game. Considering the kind of minutes he'll likely be getting.

If he gets a good 25 MPG and puts up 10/7 with 1 block, and his Per35 was something like 15/10 then I think that would work pretty well.

The problem is, if he's a center coming into his own at 21, if the Lakers would be smart enough to re-sign him so they can have him when he's 24, or if they'll let him walk while going after another max.

I think their greatest fear at this point (sadly) is if Zubac DOES have a breakout year it means they'll have to pay him, and they aren't in the business of seeing the actual young players they didn't decree, as one of the players they actually want to pay. Unless they've chosen them for greatness.

Players like Kuzma or Ingram I doubt they'd have issue paying. But if Hart starts blowing up and playing out of his mind before his contract comes up, they'll likely let him walk if it means they can go after another max/role player that's already established instead of the guy who established himself on their team.

So we'll see how this all goes.

I prefer our situation to Minnesota's whom is trying to create the 2011 Bulls, and I am so glad we DIDN'T get Thibs.

MJST, I think you are correct. The only way that the Lakers keep Zubac is if he does not have a break out year. While the cap is around $101 million, the luxury tax kicks in around $123 million. I don't expect the Lakers to go beyond the luxury tax level any more (which they could do since they have Bird rights on the players who comprise the young core). With two players (Lebron and next years max) taking around $75 million, it doesn't leave much room for the Lakers to pay the rest of the team. Magic and Pelinka are probably saving a large percentage of that for BI, Kuzma and Ball. There just isn't much left to spread around to Zubac, Hart, Svi, Wagner, etc.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:19 am    Post subject:

If Zubac has a good year I think he will be retained. It really comes down to who plays better on our team, Zubac or McGee. Now if Zu doesn't play all that well and Wagner looks good, then Zu is done here.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:14 am    Post subject:

The Zubac - BI tandem has a chance to be something really special. I’d rather see that at Staples than some wanna be Rockets team.
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