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lakersboy Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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I'll believe that when I see it. Since day 1, ready or not, Luke made promises about playing time for Zu that weren't true. I was at a pre season game a couple years ago, and he probably got 2 minutes at the end.
Zu having a bigger role in the offense would help the team, and ultimately it would lead to more wins, thereby taking pressure off Luke too. |
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LakersRGolden Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Sushi Roll? Cinnamon Roll?
Just kidding. I couldn't resist.
(Hope it's not a roll your own ) |
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Theseus Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Zubac to fill in at PG in Lonzo's absence |
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Yellow Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:37 am Post subject: |
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Inverse wrote: | The fact that he’s automatic from the free throw line is a humongous plus. Can’t wait to see him playing 32 mins with rondo/LeBron back in the lineup |
With that FT%, Zu is bound to pick up three-point shooting at some point. Then, it's really over. |
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danzag Franchise Player
Joined: 28 Apr 2013 Posts: 22244 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:25 am Post subject: |
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lakersboy wrote: | I'll believe that when I see it. Since day 1, ready or not, Luke made promises about playing time for Zu that weren't true. I was at a pre season game a couple years ago, and he probably got 2 minutes at the end.
Zu having a bigger role in the offense would help the team, and ultimately it would lead to more wins, thereby taking pressure off Luke too. |
Uh.... That's exactly what Luke's been doing for the last games??? |
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lakersfan8 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:35 am Post subject: |
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I am against moving Zubac to the starting lineup. We need some firepower from the bench. |
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blackmamba08 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:40 am Post subject: |
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lakersfan8 wrote: | I am against moving Zubac to the starting lineup. We need some firepower from the bench. |
Exactly. When LBJ is back, start McGee and bring ZuPac from the bench with 25 min per game. Give rest to McGee and Chandler. |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:59 am Post subject: |
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It's amazing to see the growth from when LaMarcus undressed him in the court to now dominating |
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defense Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:04 am Post subject: |
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He should of been playing about 25 minutes off the bench all season. Too bad small ball has brain washed Luke. To me it was pretty easy to see how talented he was. He's slow and not very athletic but he gives good effort defensively, always helping and challenging shots. |
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lakerican Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Ok, here is a link of this same thread @ early November when we got Tyson.
This thread early november
I think by the comments there the only ones who think that Zu still have some chance was Luke and the FO. All of you just gave up.
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:55 am Post subject: |
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So, IIRC, in calculating the 38m in cap space, most seem to exclude Zub's cap hold.
I think he's a piece worth keeping, but how does it affect the max cap space for KD? (obviously not a problem if we don't get KD or get a 7-9 year max service player). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:57 am Post subject: |
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lakerican wrote: | Ok, here is a link of this same thread @ early November when we got Tyson.
This thread early november
I think by the comments there the only ones who think that Zu still have some chance was Luke and the FO. All of you just gave up. |
But did he show much in November?
Kudos to Zub who looked all but dead after LMA embarrassed him in that one game (5 fouls in like 2 minutes). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:01 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | So, IIRC, in calculating the 38m in cap space, most seem to exclude Zub's cap hold.
I think he's a piece worth keeping, but how does it affect the max cap space for KD? (obviously not a problem if we don't get KD or get a 7-9 year max service player). |
can'w we sign him over the cap after KD signing? |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Don’t make the same mistake as with Randle.
#KeepZublocka |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:04 am Post subject: |
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LakerSD wrote: | Don’t make the same mistake as with Randle.
#KeepZublocka |
Randle, man, that was PG's fault. Had he signed with LeBron, FO wouldn't have to keep any cap space open and could signed Randle to multiyr like he wanted, sigh |
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lakerican Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:07 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | lakerican wrote: | Ok, here is a link of this same thread @ early November when we got Tyson.
This thread early november
I think by the comments there the only ones who think that Zu still have some chance was Luke and the FO. All of you just gave up. |
But did he show much in November?
Kudos to Zub who looked all but dead after LMA embarrassed him in that one game (5 fouls in like 2 minutes). |
Exactly. I recalled that game and it was obvious @ that moment he was not an option. A different story now. Even his defense and rebounding has been average. I hope he can stay on court and Luke give him 24 plus minutes whether he is tarting or not as long he finish games. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:08 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | So, IIRC, in calculating the 38m in cap space, most seem to exclude Zub's cap hold.
I think he's a piece worth keeping, but how does it affect the max cap space for KD? (obviously not a problem if we don't get KD or get a 7-9 year max service player). |
can'w we sign him over the cap after KD signing? |
I think most cap projections factor in letting go of Zub. IIRC his hold is something like 1.9m.
Teams will know this, and can do an Arenas provision signing that isn't even that much, like backload it so it's 6m up front, etc. Lakers would then have to likely renounce him while KD is making up his mind. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Dr. Laker Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:16 am Post subject: |
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If Lakers move Zo, BI or Kuz, there's $$$ for Zu plus supermax. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns". |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:18 am Post subject: |
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Dr. Laker wrote: | If Lakers move Zo, BI or Kuz, there's $$$ for Zu plus supermax. |
well, your math not wrong but that's crazy as hell |
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Staccatos Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:38 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | It's amazing to see the growth from when LaMarcus undressed him in the court to now dominating |
Zubac was really sick during training camp and wasn't really ready for the first San Antonio Spurs game where Luke promptly dropped him on the bench and forgot about him.
Quote: | Then he got sick on his way back from Croatia. And not just a cold. Sick enough to be running a fever and gasping for air for days when training camp kicked off.
“The first week or even more of training camp, I don’t know how I got through it. I couldn’t run much, I couldn’t do anything. I didn’t have much air in my lungs,” Zubac told Silver Screen and Roll. |
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/10/7/17947332/ivica-zubac-frustrated-illness-lakers-training-camp-impact-stats-luke-walton-brandon-ingram
Luke played Zubac only 5 minutes in the San Antonio loss. Then 2 minutes the next game. Then Zubac had zero minutes for 18 of the next 24 games. Could we have used Zubac? Yeah probably.
When Zubac is getting minutes he is destroying the opposition.
Stats when he gets minutes this season:
30-39 minutes: 17.7ppg, 8.7rpg, 78.1% FG, 75.0% FT, 78.5% TS, 144 ORtg, 98 DRtg
20-29 minutes: 15.6ppg, 7.4rpg, 68.2% FG, 90.0% FT, 73.9% TS, 137 ORtg, 116 DRtg
10-19 minutes: 7.7ppg, 4.4rpg, 53.1% FG, 94.4% FT, 60.6% TS, 114 ORtg, 104 DRtg |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:40 am Post subject: |
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Staccatos wrote: |
When Zubac is getting minutes he is destroying the opposition.
Stats when he gets minutes this season:
30-39 minutes: 17.7ppg, 8.7rpg, 78.1% FG, 75.0% FT, 78.5% TS, 144 ORtg, 98 DRtg
20-29 minutes: 15.6ppg, 7.4rpg, 68.2% FG, 90.0% FT, 73.9% TS, 137 ORtg, 116 DRtg
10-19 minutes: 7.7ppg, 4.4rpg, 53.1% FG, 94.4% FT, 60.6% TS, 114 ORtg, 104 DRtg |
Wow, all star numbers |
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Staccatos Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:45 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | governator wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | So, IIRC, in calculating the 38m in cap space, most seem to exclude Zub's cap hold.
I think he's a piece worth keeping, but how does it affect the max cap space for KD? (obviously not a problem if we don't get KD or get a 7-9 year max service player). |
can'w we sign him over the cap after KD signing? |
I think most cap projections factor in letting go of Zub. IIRC his hold is something like 1.9m.
Teams will know this, and can do an Arenas provision signing that isn't even that much, like backload it so it's 6m up front, etc. Lakers would then have to likely renounce him while KD is making up his mind. |
If Zubac keeps this up, the Lakers should just negotiate a deal to pay Zubac but have it signed ONLY AFTER they've wrapped up their other free agents. They can negotiate the actual amount to stay competitive with other offers. Since they have his full Bird rights, they can pretty much go anywhere over the cap to resign him.
Zubac's $1,931,189 cap hold is a small price to pay if Zubac blossoms into a legit starting 5 in the league.
It's a better situation than Randle because Randle's cap hold was too high, and Randle (and his agent) wanted to leave. Hopefully this won't happen with Zubac. |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:06 am Post subject: |
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If someone offers Zubac a contract right at the start of free agency, we can't match right?
Unless we get a commitment from a max free agent right at the start of free agency as well. But usually, those free agents take their time in deciding. |
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Staccatos Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:35 am Post subject: |
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LongBeachPoly wrote: | If someone offers Zubac a contract right at the start of free agency, we can't match right?
Unless we get a commitment from a max free agent right at the start of free agency as well. But usually, those free agents take their time in deciding. |
Zubac would have to sign the offer then as a RFA, the Lakers would have *2* days to match or let him go.
If you negotiate this right, Zubac listens to offers uses the numbers to come back to the Lakers but doesn't sign any offer sheets. This gives the Lakers time to wrap up their free agency and sign Zubac over the cap afterwards.
Signing an offer sheet would put the Lakers on the clock, if they can't lock down their main free agent targets in the *2* days after, then they would likely lose Zubac.
EDIT: changed match period from 7 days to 2 days based on NBA CBA
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Staccatos wrote: | LongBeachPoly wrote: | If someone offers Zubac a contract right at the start of free agency, we can't match right?
Unless we get a commitment from a max free agent right at the start of free agency as well. But usually, those free agents take their time in deciding. |
Zubac would have to sign the offer then as a RFA, the Lakers would have 7 days to match or let him go.
If you negotiate this right, Zubac listens to offers uses the numbers to come back to the Lakers but doesn't sign any offer sheets. This gives the Lakers time to wrap up their free agency and sign Zubac over the cap afterwards.
Signing an offer sheet would put the Lakers on the clock, if they can't lock down their main free agent targets in the 7 days after, then they would likely lose Zubac. |
I think you're referring to the moratorium. IIRC it's not 7 days anymore.
And if we're past the moratorium, the period to match is 3 days (or less now). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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