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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:39 am Post subject: |
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We will see PROGRESS & GROWTH. |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:55 am Post subject: |
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Agree with the OP. For me, there is only one circumstance in which a team should tank and that is when they need to accumulate assets and dont have trade pieces to do so.
Otherwise, you never tank. Wins are irrelevant. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:57 am Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | Agree with the OP. For me, there is only one circumstance in which a team should tank and that is when they need to accumulate assets and dont have trade pieces to do so.
Otherwise, you never tank. Wins are irrelevant. |
Yup. We have gathered great assets.
We can decide to grow the assets.
We can decide to trade the assets.
We can do both.
No need to tank anymore. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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jonnybravo Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:00 am Post subject: |
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The tank died weeks before today. You should have made this thread the moment Byron was fired. If he was around, doesn't matter who we drafted, we were going to fire her up again. |
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funkthesuns Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Realistically it depends on what we accomplish in free agency. Unfortunately, a star player is not going to want to waste their prime years to be part of our rebuild. They want to go to teams built to win now, i.e. Durant saying his decision will be based on basketball reasons. We will be competing in free agency with championship squads who also have cap space. It should be no-brained decisions for which team these free agents should choose. A star player will only come here if they can team up with another star player of their choice.
The west is stacked and we are still young and raw. If worthy free agents do not come, which is likely the case, then it is too early to declare the tank is dead. All the teams who made it to the playoffs in the west this past season had one or more proven star players on their squad. We still do not have that yet and their is no gaurantee we will land one. Enjoy the process and let the young guys prove themselves and develop into stars. That's when the star free agents are more likely to come.
I see the young guys competing next season under Luke, but the tank may still be inevitable. We have improved but so has everyone else. _________________ “We don’t back down from nobody, we don’t care who you are and every time we step on the floor we step on the floor to win and compete with whoever.” -Trevor Ariza |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:04 am Post subject: |
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funkthesuns wrote: | Realistically it depends on what we accomplish in free agency. Unfortunately, a star player is not going to want to waste their prime years to be part of our rebuild. They want to go to teams built to win now, i.e. Durant saying his decision will be based on basketball reasons. We will be competing in free agency with championship squads who also have cap space. It should be no-brained decisions for which team these free agents should choose. A star player will only come here if they can team up with another star player of their choice.
The west is stacked and we are still young and raw. If worthy free agents do not come, which is likely the case, then it is too early to declare the tank is dead. All the teams who made it to the playoffs in the west this past season had one or more proven star players on their squad. We still do not have that yet and their is no gaurantee we will land one. Enjoy the process and let the young guys prove themselves and develop into stars. That's when the star free agents are more likely to come.
I see the young guys competing next season under Luke, but the tank may still be inevitable. We have improved but so has everyone else. |
I doubt it. We tanked for 3 seasons to GATHER assets.
Now we have them. If the season is going badly south, we can now even trade for upgrades.
We simply didn't have these options, and with a declining Kobe, there was simply no reason to do so. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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lugo175 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:05 am Post subject: |
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LETS FKN GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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Gepetto Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Finally........this season is going to be FUN!!!! |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Again, the checklist:
#2 pick: Check. Ingram.
Byron: Fired. Luke in.
Preserve cap space: Check. 64m or so in cap space. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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RCS926 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Even without any major additions via free agency, I expect this team to double its win total from last season. I think Luke is going to make that much of a difference in terms of establishing a system/culture that our young guys will thrive in. What you have to realize is that every single one of our young guys was noticeably held back by Byron's "coaching". I expect every one of our young guys to look much better on Luke next season. |
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gumby Star Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:41 am Post subject: |
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jonnybravo wrote: | The tank died weeks before today. You should have made this thread the moment Byron was fired. If he was around, doesn't matter who we drafted, we were going to fire her up again. |
Yeah.
The day Byron was fired the team automatically gained 10-15 wins just for that.
I was one of the few to give him a pass in his first year here because the team was the most banged up in history. But Byron had no excuse this year and exposed his terrible coaching and personality with the young kids.
Bye. _________________ "This trophy removes the most odious sentence in the English Language. It can never be said again that 'the Lakers have never beaten the Celtics.'" -Dr. Jerry Buss (1985) R.I.P., 33 x M.V.O. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:43 am Post subject: |
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RCS926 wrote: | Even without any major additions via free agency, I expect this team to double its win total from last season. I think Luke is going to make that much of a difference in terms of establishing a system/culture that our young guys will thrive in. What you have to realize is that every single one of our young guys was noticeably held back by Byron's "coaching". I expect every one of our young guys to look much better on Luke next season. |
Yup. Already a much more positive culture and atmosphere. I don't see the Lakers clamoring for more youth either. They have a veritable college team at this point. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:24 am Post subject: |
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I'll wait another 2-3 weeks before declaring the tank is dead. _________________ #11/08/16 America became GREAT again
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:25 am Post subject: |
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KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | I'll wait another 2-3 weeks before declaring the tank is dead. |
Nah it's dead.
You may be conflating tanking with sucking. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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KobeRe-Loaded Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:30 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | I'll wait another 2-3 weeks before declaring the tank is dead. |
Nah it's dead.
You may be conflating tanking with sucking. |
Hahaha ... okay, the team as it is constructed will suck but not top 3 lotto pick suck. _________________ #11/08/16 America became GREAT again
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True Lakers Fan Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:30 am Post subject: |
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even if we get a decent Center then the season is a success. I doubt we will get a Star like KD. I want Whiteside badly _________________ I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying. |
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RCS926 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:31 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | I'll wait another 2-3 weeks before declaring the tank is dead. |
Nah it's dead.
You may be conflating tanking with sucking. |
Yup. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:31 am Post subject: |
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KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | I'll wait another 2-3 weeks before declaring the tank is dead. |
Nah it's dead.
You may be conflating tanking with sucking. |
Hahaha ... okay, the team as it is constructed will suck but not top 3 lotto pick suck. |
At worst.
I would love to make the playoffs, but we may fall a bit short on that mark. But I expect a lot of improvement and buzz again (in the good sense). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:50 am Post subject: |
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KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | I'll wait another 2-3 weeks before declaring the tank is dead. |
Nah it's dead.
You may be conflating tanking with sucking. |
Hahaha ... okay, the team as it is constructed will suck but not top 3 lotto pick suck. |
It's a $30 million roster as currently constructed.
I think there might be a bit of wiggle room in there somewhere to add a bit to it. |
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Deathstroke Star Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Tank won't be dead until we see what happens in free agency. If Mitch and Jim botch it again the tank will still most likely be alive |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Deathstroke wrote: | Tank won't be dead until we see what happens in free agency. If Mitch and Jim botch it again the tank will still most likely be alive |
Nope. That's why they fired Byron and hired Luke. They're not tanking anymore.
They may not be a playoff team but that's not tanking. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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av3773 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:06 am Post subject: |
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We aren't tanking...we are going to be world beaters just yet barring some FA baby Jesus miracle, but we are going to compete, we'll have losses, a lot of losses but I fully expect us to be improved floor for me is last years T wolves team, barring some decent FA upgrades |
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al242 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:07 am Post subject: |
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We need to add two veterans in the starting lineup, preferably a center and shooting guard. |
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:08 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Again, the checklist:
#2 pick: Check. Ingram.
Byron: Fired. Luke in.
Preserve cap space: Check. 64m or so in cap space. | Early off season has been a success. Now let's get some free agents to come aboard. _________________ Music is my medicine |
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Fastbreak32 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:11 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Again, the checklist:
#2 pick: Check. Ingram.
Byron: Fired. Luke in.
Preserve cap space: Check. 64m or so in cap space. |
That's right. This checklist really puts things in perspective when media was all about the "Lakers are a garbage fire" narrative. _________________ LeBron, AD, & _________. Stay tuned.
"...there was a time when the Israelites were wandering in the desert and all of a sudden, bread came down from heaven,” Pelinka said. “That’s kind of what today feels like for us to have KCP join.” |
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