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Slappy Sixth Man
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:44 am Post subject: |
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lakersfever714 wrote: | Guys, lets keep in mind that last year we were TANKING. Yes tanking means we lost games on purpose so 17-win was obviously not indicative of our team's potential. I would approximate it'd be around 30-35 win team if we tried to win every game. So this year's team is an obvious improvement over last year's team since everyone is one year more experienced and we've got INGRAM!! 45 wins is a good estimate for this year. |
Ingram weighs less than 200 pounds. At that weight he can't play SF and he's too slow to play SG. He's going to need some time to add mass. If he has a significant role on the team this season, then despite these FA signings, they are tanking again (and just have these FA signings to tutor the young 'uns and make sure they are in bed come curfew time, as it were).
Is why these deals are 3 year deals with 4th year team option. Ingram won't be ready to play a significant role until year 3. What the hacks in the meejia don't understand when they first pan the dollars and then the years of these signings. They might instead ask themselves what the 3 years plus team option 4th year says about what the Lakers management itself believes regarding its own team. It says that they won't be ready to begin to compete until year 3 of these deals. And begin to complete means to even have a shot at the 8th seed. |
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Liam_x7 Star Player
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That would be respected _________________ Lakers
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:56 am Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | Over 25, under 30. |
EDIT: Now that we've signed Deng
Over 30, under 35 _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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lakerfan2012 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:58 am Post subject: |
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35-40 |
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Future Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:59 am Post subject: |
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lakerfan2012 wrote: | 35-40 |
40 is pushing it.... |
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Krispy Kreme Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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At best we'll fight for an 8 seed and fall short.
At worst , 30 wins.
So I guess 30-45 wins. _________________ Dominating every day. |
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misterrunon Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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You have to wait until FA season is over before you make predictions, but as the team is now, I think we're going to win at least 30 games, and at most 40. |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Future wrote: | lakerfan2012 wrote: | 35-40 |
40 is pushing it.... |
How so? Did people expect Jazz (injury woes) and Blazers (lost 4 starters) to win 40 and 44 games respectively? Probably not. Expectations were much higher for Rockets and Kings, as they had more "talent". Talent only works when chemistry, fit and coaching are accounted for. Lakers have worked on all three. I expect nothing but the best from them. |
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56 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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We used 30 as a baseline prior to the start of the previous 2 seasons why are we using 25 now? I guess PTSD from Byron may be influencing that to be a bit
But yeah - I see around 28-32 wins. |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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What teams are we better than right now in the West?
Mavericks (for now)
Suns.. although they will be improved also with Bledsoe/Booker/Dudley/Len/Chandler/Knight/Warren and 2 lottery picks
Nuggets- Chandler will be returning this year
Right now realistically, I see the Lakers only being better than the Mavs and Nuggets. The 3rd worst team in the West last year won 29 games _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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misterrunon wrote: | You have to wait until FA season is over before you make predictions, but as the team is now, I think we're going to win at least 30 games, and at most 40. |
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lakerfanaticPT Star Player
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Just over.....26-28 |
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Future Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Mindripper2000 wrote: | Future wrote: | lakerfan2012 wrote: | 35-40 |
40 is pushing it.... |
How so? Did people expect Jazz (injury woes) and Blazers (lost 4 starters) to win 40 and 44 games respectively? Probably not. Expectations were much higher for Rockets and Kings, as they had more "talent". Talent only works when chemistry, fit and coaching are accounted for. Lakers have worked on all three. I expect nothing but the best from them. |
Actually, a lot of people had the Jazz as the best team in the NBA post 2015 allstar break and was a favorite to make the playoff last season...
THe blazers overachieved, but they did it with vets
Lillard was 25.
CJ was 24
Mason was 25
Aminu was 25
And they had players that fit the system....
A lot of them have playoff experience as well..
Another thing as well, I don't think our team has chemistry at all. Just a bunch of young kids on a team.
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Practice Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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I have no idea what to expect given how unproven we are, but I mainly just want to see improvement. |
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Flight#24 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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30 wins next season. The following year will be around 37-42 wins (either 8th seed or just barely missing the playoffs). And year 3 will finally be the year, I would say around 45-50 wins. So I'd say its a 3 year project before Russell and Ingrams are formidable players. |
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CBaller8 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Clearly no one will sign with a 17 win team regardless if we are the Lakers. The Lakers have to hope the young players pan out and that Luke is as good as we hope. |
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HOF Rookie Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | HOF Rookie wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | HOF Rookie wrote: | 25 win team now. Deng adds 6 wins to my original 19 win total.
So much of this depends on how our young guys develop more than anything.
Deng isn't going to be playing 40 minutes and moz won't even play 30 a game so it's still all in the hands of the kids. And this isn't a league where 20 year olds take you far. |
Lol Deng adds 6 wins but an improved DLo/JC/Randle add 2 wins (including coach Luke let alone Ingram). |
You're right. Sorry. 45 wins and the 7th seed. |
Lol. Drama queen. |
LOL!!!!
last year everyone thought we were going to win roughly 30 games. and we had just over half of that
call me a skeptic until i see some progress. deng nor moz are saviors. |
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deal Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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25 win season, we're not sniffing 30... _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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HOF Rookie wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | HOF Rookie wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | HOF Rookie wrote: | 25 win team now. Deng adds 6 wins to my original 19 win total.
So much of this depends on how our young guys develop more than anything.
Deng isn't going to be playing 40 minutes and moz won't even play 30 a game so it's still all in the hands of the kids. And this isn't a league where 20 year olds take you far. |
Lol Deng adds 6 wins but an improved DLo/JC/Randle add 2 wins (including coach Luke let alone Ingram). |
You're right. Sorry. 45 wins and the 7th seed. |
Lol. Drama queen. |
LOL!!!!
last year everyone thought we were going to win roughly 30 games. and we had just over half of that
call me a skeptic until i see some progress. deng nor moz are saviors. |
You're underestimating the growth/development of the young kids. The development path is like a bell curve. You're going to see sharp improvements and then a plateau at prime. |
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HOF Rookie Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | HOF Rookie wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | HOF Rookie wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | HOF Rookie wrote: | 25 win team now. Deng adds 6 wins to my original 19 win total.
So much of this depends on how our young guys develop more than anything.
Deng isn't going to be playing 40 minutes and moz won't even play 30 a game so it's still all in the hands of the kids. And this isn't a league where 20 year olds take you far. |
Lol Deng adds 6 wins but an improved DLo/JC/Randle add 2 wins (including coach Luke let alone Ingram). |
You're right. Sorry. 45 wins and the 7th seed. |
Lol. Drama queen. |
LOL!!!!
last year everyone thought we were going to win roughly 30 games. and we had just over half of that
call me a skeptic until i see some progress. deng nor moz are saviors. |
You're underestimating the growth/development of the young kids. The development path is like a bell curve. You're going to see sharp improvements and then a plateau at prime. |
i hope i am wrong, but we don't have enough information to back it up.
i could easily argue that all other teams with young guys will develop too.
ingram won't be a major difference maker from in year 1. we will have to see if randle improved his jumper. we will have to see if russell is more explosive. we will have to see if jordan's shooting ticks up. we will have to see if our 1st year coach is able to put together game plans that fit our talent.
so yes, i'm still skeptical, but i want these guys to prove me wrong. and i do think russell will be really good, but i think that leap will happen in year 3 or 4. |
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tom Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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right now with deng signing i say 28 wins. still a lottery team,but some imrovement. |
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puddlegoo Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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We were over before the Deng signing.
Byron out, Walton in, KFT over... all important factors, all of which should improve the Lakers significantly. They've all been talked about over and over.
Deng coming in is the PERFECT veteran/mentor for this team: doesn't need to star, 2-way player, should allow the guys to develop (where a superstar might hinder growth).
The biggest factor to me, however, is getting rid of Roy Hibbert, who last year was the WORST starting center in the NBA I can remember in the last 10 years.
I'll be shocked if this team does not win 30 games. I think a lot of people have become numb to how bad things were last year. This team is moving in a positive direction, and they will have a record that reflects that movement. _________________
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kobeandgary Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | HOF Rookie wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | HOF Rookie wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | HOF Rookie wrote: | 25 win team now. Deng adds 6 wins to my original 19 win total.
So much of this depends on how our young guys develop more than anything.
Deng isn't going to be playing 40 minutes and moz won't even play 30 a game so it's still all in the hands of the kids. And this isn't a league where 20 year olds take you far. |
Lol Deng adds 6 wins but an improved DLo/JC/Randle add 2 wins (including coach Luke let alone Ingram). |
You're right. Sorry. 45 wins and the 7th seed. |
Lol. Drama queen. |
LOL!!!!
last year everyone thought we were going to win roughly 30 games. and we had just over half of that
call me a skeptic until i see some progress. deng nor moz are saviors. |
You're underestimating the growth/development of the young kids. The development path is like a bell curve. You're going to see sharp improvements and then a plateau at prime. |
I don't really think Russell, Ingram or Randle have a very high ceiling. |
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kobeandgary Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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puddlegoo wrote: | We were over before the Deng signing.
Byron out, Walton in, KFT over... all important factors, all of which should improve the Lakers significantly. They've all been talked about over and over.
Deng coming in is the PERFECT veteran/mentor for this team: doesn't need to star, 2-way player, should allow the guys to develop (where a superstar might hinder growth).
The biggest factor to me, however, is getting rid of Roy Hibbert, who last year was the WORST starting center in the NBA I can remember in the last 10 years.
I'll be shocked if this team does not win 30 games. I think a lot of people have become numb to how bad things were last year. This team is moving in a positive direction, and they will have a record that reflects that movement. |
Wasn't Mozgov the second worst? |
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kobeandgary Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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I think the best we will be able to hope for is struggle a couple years and package a couple young guys for a star player. |
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