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lakersibleed
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| cyborgspider wrote: | | lakersibleed wrote: |
Lakers get a friend of Lebron... he has always wanted to play with... a guy who can stretch a defense with his three point shooting...preserve cap space for kawhi next year?... get rid of Deng contract to sign PG13 this summer? |
1. The banana boat narrative is overrated. It didn't work with Wade last year, and if Lebron is still in win-now mode, he should play with Cp3 in Houston.
2. That was the plan last year in OKC. He didn't do it, and with his defensive lapses, they were one of the most disappointing teams in the league.
3. Ok. But if Kawhi signs the Supermax, if this was all a leverage ploy to get the supermax from SA, he's not going anywhere. I still think that's where this ends.
4. You got rid of the Deng contract for an even worse Melo deal? I get that it's one year, but you wouldn't be able to afford George.
If you REALLY want Melo on this team, wait until the OKC Thunder buy him out and he can sign with this team on a minimum exception sometime after the trade deadline. |
I dont really want mello...lol....just tossing around ideas... but he fits better than randle with LBJ and PG only because he can stretch the floor... I worry that teams would clog the paint with very little three point threat from Randle if we resign him... making it difficult for everyone to drive into the paint....Trying to kill to birds with one stone... Randle and Deng!!! |
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RG73
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersibleed wrote: | | a guy who can stretch a defense with his three point shooting. |
You're talking about Carmelo Anthony, right? You watched him last season, right? Stretch a defense? Really? Go look at his percentage on corner 3s and tell us how he's going to stretch the defense.... |
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lakersibleed
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| RG73 wrote: | | lakersibleed wrote: | | a guy who can stretch a defense with his three point shooting. |
You're talking about Carmelo Anthony, right? You watched him last season, right? Stretch a defense? Really? Go look at his percentage on corner 3s and tell us how he's going to stretch the defense.... |
Randle doesnt even have the range...literally hit NONE...lol
If we traded for mello now could he do us a favor and opt out?
What about Kevin Love... .would that make more sense? |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersibleed wrote: | | RG73 wrote: | | lakersibleed wrote: | | a guy who can stretch a defense with his three point shooting. |
You're talking about Carmelo Anthony, right? You watched him last season, right? Stretch a defense? Really? Go look at his percentage on corner 3s and tell us how he's going to stretch the defense.... |
Randle doesnt even have the range...literally hit NONE...lol
If we traded for mello now could he do us a favor and opt out?
What about Kevin Love... .would that make more sense? |
Why would he do us a favor?
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersibleed wrote: |
If we traded for mello now could he do us a favor and opt out?
What about Kevin Love... .would that make more sense? |
He would have to opt in first. He can't opt out after he opted in. That's classic VLF quote, paraphrasing here, Chris Paul "he opted out, then he opted in" spin.
With all due respect, I don't know what sense you're trying to make. Love has a couple years remaining (player option after next), but why would the Lakers trade for him? Are you trying to dump Deng's deal (the purpose of this thread) or are you just trying to build a team?
The Lakers' course is set: pursue PG & Lebron, possibly trade for Kawhi, and if all that fails, preserve cap space for next year and roll with the youth. Deng can be dealt next season. |
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lakersibleed
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| If you can dump Dengs deal and get a player that can possibly contribute this year and expires next year.... to keep cap space for kawhi... is what i am trying to figure out.. Those two teams are desperate to get rid of those players.... providing that pg and lebron come to la... Cleveland will be in rebuild mode... and OKC will too...I am not saying its the best route, but what would prevent us from doing it... will it mean that we cant afford pg13 this off season? |
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SDLakersFan
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Deng + #25 for Kemba?
Play Kemba at the 2 this upcoming season. And if BBBall is still out there putting up 10/6/6 while shooting historically low percentages then next summer we ship his ass out & resign Kemba
Randle
Ingram / Kuzma
George
Kemba / Hart
Ball
Next summer sign Kawhi
Randle
Ingram / Kuzma
Kawhi
George / Hart
Kemba
Not sure how this breaks down numbers wise |
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cyborgspider
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersibleed wrote: | | If you can dump Dengs deal and get a player that can possibly contribute this year and expires next year.... to keep cap space for kawhi... is what i am trying to figure out.. Those two teams are desperate to get rid of those players.... providing that pg and lebron come to la... Cleveland will be in rebuild mode... and OKC will too...I am not saying its the best route, but what would prevent us from doing it... will it mean that we cant afford pg13 this off season? |
You're right, you won't be able to afford PG if you trade Deng for another player. Technically, LA can't afford both NOW. They need to renounce Julius and stretch Deng at the very least to make it happen.
Your thinking is on the right track, but it only makes sense if neither PG or Lebron come. Trade Deng for like a Gortat-or-Faried type expiring (but neither of those teams want Deng's money). |
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lakersibleed
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| cyborgspider wrote: | | lakersibleed wrote: |
If we traded for mello now could he do us a favor and opt out?
What about Kevin Love... .would that make more sense? |
He would have to opt in first. He can't opt out after he opted in. That's classic VLF quote, paraphrasing here, Chris Paul "he opted out, then he opted in" spin.
With all due respect, I don't know what sense you're trying to make. Love has a couple years remaining (player option after next), but why would the Lakers trade for him? Are you trying to dump Deng's deal (the purpose of this thread) or are you just trying to build a team?
The Lakers' course is set: pursue PG & Lebron, possibly trade for Kawhi, and if all that fails, preserve cap space for next year and roll with the youth. Deng can be dealt next season. |
My bad, i thought the player option was for them to opt out of the contract and become a free agent... I didnt know it was an opt in...
I think in order to get rid of Deng its gonna probably cost us to FRP's...But if we cant have any salary coming back its still gonna be tough....But i believe Magic/Pelinka already have it figured out... and they will move him tomorrow....Then the LBJ/Pg13 speculation will be laid to rest!!! |
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I'd look at Atlanta and offer Deng, 25 + $2.5 cash for Plumlee and 34.
Plumlee has 2 years/ 25mil left.
Plumlee stretched means Lebron and George each need to take a $1m discount to keep Randle. |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | I'd look at Atlanta and offer Deng, 25 + $2.5 cash for Plumlee and 34.
Plumlee has 2 years/ 25mil left.
Plumlee stretched means Lebron and George each need to take a $1m discount to keep Randle. |
I'd also look at Sacramento.
Offer them Deng, #25, a future 1st, and cash for Shumpert.
Shumpert has 1 yr/11 million left on his deal. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Mini Mamba wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | I'd look at Atlanta and offer Deng, 25 + $2.5 cash for Plumlee and 34.
Plumlee has 2 years/ 25mil left.
Plumlee stretched means Lebron and George each need to take a $1m discount to keep Randle. |
I'd also look at Sacramento.
Offer them Deng, #25, a future 1st, and cash for Shumpert.
Shumpert has 1 yr/11 million left on his deal. |
In that case, you are basically giving up 2 first round picks for Deng.
The Atlanta trade I am suggesting you are giving up 9 spots in the draft and and Atlanta is taking on $6 to $8m that can largely be lowered through a buyout. I'd even throw in a future 2nd if necessary. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Mini Mamba wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | I'd look at Atlanta and offer Deng, 25 + $2.5 cash for Plumlee and 34.
Plumlee has 2 years/ 25mil left.
Plumlee stretched means Lebron and George each need to take a $1m discount to keep Randle. |
I'd also look at Sacramento.
Offer them Deng, #25, a future 1st, and cash for Shumpert.
Shumpert has 1 yr/11 million left on his deal. |
How much is that stretched?
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| PG13 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | I'd look at Atlanta and offer Deng, 25 + $2.5 cash for Plumlee and 34.
Plumlee has 2 years/ 25mil left.
Plumlee stretched means Lebron and George each need to take a $1m discount to keep Randle. |
I'd also look at Sacramento.
Offer them Deng, #25, a future 1st, and cash for Shumpert.
Shumpert has 1 yr/11 million left on his deal. |
How much is that stretched? |
Over 5 years . $2.2m per |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| JeezyXVII wrote: | | PG13 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | I'd look at Atlanta and offer Deng, 25 + $2.5 cash for Plumlee and 34.
Plumlee has 2 years/ 25mil left.
Plumlee stretched means Lebron and George each need to take a $1m discount to keep Randle. |
I'd also look at Sacramento.
Offer them Deng, #25, a future 1st, and cash for Shumpert.
Shumpert has 1 yr/11 million left on his deal. |
How much is that stretched? |
Over 5 years . $2.2m per |
Actually, I believe it will be stretched over 3 years so 3.67m per. |
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^Isnt a stretch twice the number of years + 1 year? So a one year deal is stretched over 3 years, not 5 IRCC. Also, keep in mind that a stretch doesnt count for a roster spot. As such, you have to take the stretched $s and add the $831k (the minimum league salary) to find out how much the real impact is.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| really think the Lakers don’t like the idea of stretching deng. 7+mil on the books for the next 5 years is a drag |
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| hydrohead wrote: | | really think the Lakers don’t like the idea of stretching deng. 7+mil on the books for the next 5 years is a drag |
I dont blame them.
He’d be 38, outt the league for sure and still on our payroll. |
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| If we trade for Melo, PG13 is going to stay in OKC. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| JeezyXVII wrote: | | hydrohead wrote: | | really think the Lakers don’t like the idea of stretching deng. 7+mil on the books for the next 5 years is a drag |
I dont blame them.
He’d be 38, outt the league for sure and still on our payroll. |
If PG and LBJ join up their only real option will be to stretch him and release Randle's cap hold.
If its only LBJ than we might be able to sign Randle and KCP but we would still have to stretch Deng |
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Trading Deng before free agency starts basically went down the toilet after the draft. I’m still hoping but it’s very slim. With LBJ/PG it’s now bye Randle?
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Its more likely that we will have to stretch Deng and let Randle go  Damn you Mitch/Jim  I hope we at least trade Deng for a less bad contract ala Mosgov for Howard then stretch the remaining amount, maybe LBJ and PG take paycuts to keep Randle. I hope we keep Mo, I am starting to warm up to him. |
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Stretching Deng KILLS all hope of clearing the necessary capspace to sign Leonard outright next season. They CAN’T stretch him because they need the space to leverage against San Antonio.
Stretching, with Leonard loomin, should not be an option at all.
I say play him all season, raise his value, then trade him (with minimal damage) next summer.
I have absolutely no evidence, but I think he can still contribute.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Deng + 2019 and 2021 1st round picks? Zubac if needed.
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| I actually think he's more serviceable than Mozgov. Mitch owed us a solid and should've sent us Dwight for Deng. |
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