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Joe Pesci Star Player
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WindyCityLakerFan wrote: | Ok I’m not sure of the numbers are correct but I pulled this from the following link
https://thunderousintentions.com/2018/07/02/lebron-james-carmelo-anthony-lakers/
With Melo the thunder will pay $149,549,720 in luxury taxes.
By doing a Melo for Deng swap it goes down to $84,489,059
If they then stretch Deng it goes down to $39,449,814
If they can trade him with no money coming back it goes down to $16,860,568
And they are proposing the lakers send the thunder a first round pick. They should be sending the lakers multiple picks |
Now the question is how much do they save if they just stretch Melo without trading for Deng? _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter. |
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WindyCityLakerFan Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:50 am Post subject: |
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Joe Pesci wrote: | WindyCityLakerFan wrote: | Ok I’m not sure of the numbers are correct but I pulled this from the following link
https://thunderousintentions.com/2018/07/02/lebron-james-carmelo-anthony-lakers/
With Melo the thunder will pay $149,549,720 in luxury taxes.
By doing a Melo for Deng swap it goes down to $84,489,059
If they then stretch Deng it goes down to $39,449,814
If they can trade him with no money coming back it goes down to $16,860,568
And they are proposing the lakers send the thunder a first round pick. They should be sending the lakers multiple picks |
Now the question is how much do they save if they just stretch Melo without trading for Deng? |
According to ESPN, the stretch provision cuts $90 million in tax, which would bring the Thunder's bill from $150 million to $60 million. It would also take Anthony's salary annually onto the Thunder's cap for $9.3 million over three years.
So they would save a extra 20 million this year by doing Deng for Melo. But instead of 9.3 million over three years Deng would be 7.2 over five |
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Harlemlakerfan Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:51 am Post subject: |
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I can’t wait til this Deng situation is resolved. I also believe that Deng is not being reasonable and I hope that the Lakers sit his a$$ all season. He obviously doesn’t care about playing basketball cause if he did, he would have went to the Lakers immediately after the season and asked for a buyout in order to hook up on a team that he can actually get the opportunity to play. He’s about the money, that’s his right but, it’s also the teams right to keep his a$$ nailed to the bench for another season. |
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unleasHell Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Harlemlakerfan wrote: | I can’t wait til this Deng situation is resolved. I also believe that Deng is not being reasonable and I hope that the Lakers sit his a$$ all season. He obviously doesn’t care about playing basketball cause if he did, he would have went to the Lakers immediately after the season and asked for a buyout in order to hook up on a team that he can actually get the opportunity to play. He’s about the money, that’s his right but, it’s also the teams right to keep his a$$ nailed to the bench for another season. |
Remember, he probably has an Agent who handles his contract situations. And Agents make a percentage of what the player gets.
Given that his Agent would make a lot less money if he was bought out, than if he sits home collecting the full payment, what advice would you expect him to give?
Also, if bought out, he would be lucky to sign a $2mil/year contract, due to the Lakers not playing him (so he can't show what he can contribute), so his buy-out price might be very close to his contract numbers... _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.” |
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JUST-MING Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:18 am Post subject: |
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You’d think with Lebron James and the veteran free agent acquisitions of Rajon Rondo, Lance Stephenson, Javale McGee, that would motivate Luol Deng to want to contribute as a defensive specialist in a title run. |
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LuciusAllen Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:25 am Post subject: |
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Another possible option for Deng is Chicago, at least based on the analysis of their just-completed 3-way trade with Charlotte and Orlando, and also with the clock ticking on matching Lavine's offer sheet with Sacramento. Here's ESPN's take on that trade for the Bulls (Insider sub needed):
Quote: | Once the Bulls match, LaVine's cap hit will increase by nearly $10 million. So there's some urgency for Chicago to use cap space to take back a bad contract via trade between now and then. Shedding Grant's salary allows the Bulls to get up to nearly $29 million in room while retaining the rights to restricted free agent David Nwaba -- which would require waiving Stone, whose salary is non-guaranteed through August 1 -- far and away the most of any team. (For example, Chicago would be the only team capable of taking on Carmelo Anthony's $27.9 million salary without sending the Oklahoma City Thunder any salary in return.)
Could trading Grant be a precursor to something bigger? We'll find out by Sunday. |
So if this happens, it happens today. |
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Probably keep him to start the season whether he plays or doesn't play. Take another shot at trading him at the trade deadline. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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JUST-MING wrote: | You’d think with Lebron James and the veteran free agent acquisitions of Rajon Rondo, Lance Stephenson, Javale McGee, that would motivate Luol Deng to want to contribute as a defensive specialist in a title run. |
I can see Deng contributing this year. I actually think it could be a good move. The direction of the team is to win now, they cannot just have an empty roster spot with the tag of 18 million.
Looking at the situation right now, Im giving Deng burn before Zubac, probably Moe at this point, and thats about it. It really is an anchor holding the team back from greatness. |
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Four Decade Bandwagon Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:31 am Post subject: |
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Harlemlakerfan wrote: | I can’t wait til this Deng situation is resolved. I also believe that Deng is not being reasonable and I hope that the Lakers sit his a$$ all season. He obviously doesn’t care about playing basketball cause if he did, he would have went to the Lakers immediately after the season and asked for a buyout in order to hook up on a team that he can actually get the opportunity to play. He’s about the money, that’s his right but, it’s also the teams right to keep his a$$ nailed to the bench for another season. |
By all accounts Deng has been a complete professional. Pretty sure the decision not to offer a buyout option is more from the Lakers side.
They weren't sure how much space they would need in the two max plan. For the past six months how much of the discussion was how fine that line was going to be and any buyout or stretch dollars on the cap could be a hindrance.
I would have no issue with bringing him in and seeing him get mpg if needed. A more veteran team with a win now attitude suits him better. Also if any mid season trades are made the Lakers might need his salary to offset the young players salaries that would be going out.
At this point, one more year seems to be a better option. Let him be an expensive bench guy with positive locker room presence. At worst he is much easier to move (buyout or stretch?) next year with one year left |
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WindyCityLakerFan Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:58 am Post subject: |
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LuciusAllen wrote: | Another possible option for Deng is Chicago, at least based on the analysis of their just-completed 3-way trade with Charlotte and Orlando, and also with the clock ticking on matching Lavine's offer sheet with Sacramento. Here's ESPN's take on that trade for the Bulls (Insider sub needed):
Quote: | Once the Bulls match, LaVine's cap hit will increase by nearly $10 million. So there's some urgency for Chicago to use cap space to take back a bad contract via trade between now and then. Shedding Grant's salary allows the Bulls to get up to nearly $29 million in room while retaining the rights to restricted free agent David Nwaba -- which would require waiving Stone, whose salary is non-guaranteed through August 1 -- far and away the most of any team. (For example, Chicago would be the only team capable of taking on Carmelo Anthony's $27.9 million salary without sending the Oklahoma City Thunder any salary in return.)
Could trading Grant be a precursor to something bigger? We'll find out by Sunday. |
So if this happens, it happens today. |
Deng for Asik |
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Harlemlakerfan wrote: | I can’t wait til this Deng situation is resolved. I also believe that Deng is not being reasonable and I hope that the Lakers sit his a$$ all season. He obviously doesn’t care about playing basketball cause if he did, he would have went to the Lakers immediately after the season and asked for a buyout in order to hook up on a team that he can actually get the opportunity to play. He’s about the money, that’s his right but, it’s also the teams right to keep his a$$ nailed to the bench for another season. |
Reportedly, Deng has asked for a trade or a buyout. The problem, of course, is that the Lakers want him to sacrifice a lot of money in the buyout and he doesn't want to. I wouldn't consider that unreasonable.
Personally, I think the Lakers have been the unreasonable ones, nailing him to the bench to discourage him and get him to agree to take a lot less money in a buyout. That clearly hasn't work, and they should just play him when it makes sense.
By all counts, Deng has carried himself very well through all of this; the guy is a true professional, and if we ever do buy him out lots of teams will want him. I can't blame him for the Lakers overpaying him. |
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LuciusAllen Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:04 am Post subject: |
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WindyCityLakerFan wrote: | LuciusAllen wrote: | Another possible option for Deng is Chicago, at least based on the analysis of their just-completed 3-way trade with Charlotte and Orlando, and also with the clock ticking on matching Lavine's offer sheet with Sacramento. Here's ESPN's take on that trade for the Bulls (Insider sub needed):
Quote: | Once the Bulls match, LaVine's cap hit will increase by nearly $10 million. So there's some urgency for Chicago to use cap space to take back a bad contract via trade between now and then. Shedding Grant's salary allows the Bulls to get up to nearly $29 million in room while retaining the rights to restricted free agent David Nwaba -- which would require waiving Stone, whose salary is non-guaranteed through August 1 -- far and away the most of any team. (For example, Chicago would be the only team capable of taking on Carmelo Anthony's $27.9 million salary without sending the Oklahoma City Thunder any salary in return.)
Could trading Grant be a precursor to something bigger? We'll find out by Sunday. |
So if this happens, it happens today. |
Deng for Asik |
I was thinking Deng and a 1st rounder and the Bulls 2019 2nd rounder returned for nothing. Asik's contract would still need to be dealt with next summer. He may be more tradeable than Deng, but not by much.
Maybe Deng and the Bulls' returned 2nd rounder for Robin Lopez? |
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Joe Pesci Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:08 am Post subject: |
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WindyCityLakerFan wrote: | Joe Pesci wrote: | WindyCityLakerFan wrote: | Ok I’m not sure of the numbers are correct but I pulled this from the following link
https://thunderousintentions.com/2018/07/02/lebron-james-carmelo-anthony-lakers/
With Melo the thunder will pay $149,549,720 in luxury taxes.
By doing a Melo for Deng swap it goes down to $84,489,059
If they then stretch Deng it goes down to $39,449,814
If they can trade him with no money coming back it goes down to $16,860,568
And they are proposing the lakers send the thunder a first round pick. They should be sending the lakers multiple picks |
Now the question is how much do they save if they just stretch Melo without trading for Deng? |
According to ESPN, the stretch provision cuts $90 million in tax, which would bring the Thunder's bill from $150 million to $60 million. It would also take Anthony's salary annually onto the Thunder's cap for $9.3 million over three years.
So they would save a extra 20 million this year by doing Deng for Melo. But instead of 9.3 million over three years Deng would be 7.2 over five |
Respect to you my friend. Thank you. Ie been proposing this trade for weeks but was too lazy to do the math on OKCs end. Much appreciated.
Now forward this to Presti, and the Lakers can get this done. I’m pretty sure Magic and Pelinka already have it on their radar, thus thenempty 5.5 mill in space that they’re saving for a deal just like this.
Deng for Anthony. Let’s roll. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter. |
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WindyCityLakerFan Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:06 am Post subject: |
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LuciusAllen wrote: | WindyCityLakerFan wrote: | LuciusAllen wrote: | Another possible option for Deng is Chicago, at least based on the analysis of their just-completed 3-way trade with Charlotte and Orlando, and also with the clock ticking on matching Lavine's offer sheet with Sacramento. Here's ESPN's take on that trade for the Bulls (Insider sub needed):
Quote: | Once the Bulls match, LaVine's cap hit will increase by nearly $10 million. So there's some urgency for Chicago to use cap space to take back a bad contract via trade between now and then. Shedding Grant's salary allows the Bulls to get up to nearly $29 million in room while retaining the rights to restricted free agent David Nwaba -- which would require waiving Stone, whose salary is non-guaranteed through August 1 -- far and away the most of any team. (For example, Chicago would be the only team capable of taking on Carmelo Anthony's $27.9 million salary without sending the Oklahoma City Thunder any salary in return.)
Could trading Grant be a precursor to something bigger? We'll find out by Sunday. |
So if this happens, it happens today. |
Deng for Asik |
I was thinking Deng and a 1st rounder and the Bulls 2019 2nd rounder returned for nothing. Asik's contract would still need to be dealt with next summer. He may be more tradeable than Deng, but not by much.
Maybe Deng and the Bulls' returned 2nd rounder for Robin Lopez? |
I’m not sure of the math but you can buyout and stretch. Asik is on the books for 11 million this year and only 3 million is guaranteed for next year. If you buy him out for the whole amount it’s a little under three million stretched over five years. If you negotiate a better buyout at maybe 10 where he gets a a vet minimum deal at 2.4 and leaves a little on the table you can get it to 2 million |
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ChickenBeckerman Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:00 am Post subject: How would a 'MOTIVATED DENG' fit in with this Team??? |
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So lets say Lebron James calls Luel Deng one night and has a sincere convo with him.
Lebron - "come on big dog, I wanna play with you. I know you can help us this season. Don't sit this one out, do what you were born to do you big ugly ballin a** former allstar m**f***ka!!!"
Or something like that and next thing you know Deng is at the training facility the next morning, spends the off season getting into shape every day, shooting a thousand jumpers a day and fanatically watching tape.
How does a "100% MOTIVATED LUEL DENG" fit in with this current Laker squad??? |
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Andre2K Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:09 am Post subject: |
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Its easy to forget how good Luol Deng was in his prime, he was so good Kobe was going to waive his no trade clause to play with him. Its confusing how a competitor like that would be happy sitting a season out. Same issue with Kawhi (if he's not as injured as he says he is).
Anyways, to answer your question, I think Deng can still contribute but does he still want to compete or he's just happy cashing dem checks. _________________ My Dream Starting 5 next Season
Pg Lonzo
Sg Kawhi
Sf Ingram
Pf Lebron
C Dedmon
Bench: Caruso, Hart, Bullock, Kuzma, McGee etc |
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blackmamba08 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:38 am Post subject: Re: How would a 'MOTIVATED DENG' fit in with this Team??? |
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ChickenBeckerman wrote: | So lets say Lebron James calls Luel Deng one night and has a sincere convo with him.
Lebron - "come on big dog, I wanna play with you. I know you can help us this season. Don't sit this one out, do what you were born to do you big ugly ballin a** former allstar m**f***ka!!!"
Or something like that and next thing you know Deng is at the training facility the next morning, spends the off season getting into shape every day, shooting a thousand jumpers a day and fanatically watching tape.
How does a "100% MOTIVATED LUEL DENG" fit in with this current Laker squad??? |
Probably better than Anthony. |
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deal Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Deng has always been willing to play, the FO decided to give the youth movement more playing time and in doing so Deng came out of the
rotation. That said, some reports last year surfaced that he has been
handling "the benching" very well but wanting to play, so that's that.
The bigger question for me anyway is; if Deng can actually contribute or is he just another liability on the court? Previously I think the FO was trying to force Deng's hand in taking a buyout but Dengs' group has held out for the money, as he should I guess. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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LakerFan1972 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:23 am Post subject: |
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If Deng wants to contribute, maybe Lakers should give him time as small ball 5. Lakers do not seem to have good alternatives for that role with Randle gone.
Lakers looking to lighten Lebrons load at least until playoffs, so I would be surprised to see him playing a stretch 5 in the regular season.
I am just not seeing McGee and Zu giving the Lakers 48 mins at the 5. Lakers need to find someone for that Randle role for 15-20 mins.
I get everyone’s negative attitude towards Deng, but why not give Deng a shot? Lakers now in a different position. Priority is about winning now and not developing young players.
How does Deng not fit with tough minded/hi IQ vets like Rondo/Lance/McGee?
A motivated Deng could help a team wanting to get deep in the playoffs.
... if the Lakers can find a good trade to move him, fine. Otherwise, use him. |
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I hope we play him. He can help as a 3rd string PF, even small ball center.
Still don't understand why the parties couldn't work it out so that Deng could play. Is he going to be content just sitting out for another full year? At some point he will want to play, even if it's a nominal role. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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farzadkavari Starting Rotation
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I think Deng will be pretty solid IF he plays and is Motivated! I remember he played a 1-2 games at beginning of season and he looked very good. If he is in shape Id take a chance and give him 15min per game. |
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Eindhoven Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:44 am Post subject: |
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I don't think his problem is motivation. On year 1, he was played out of position, he can't be a SF anymore and his good moments in Miami were as a PF. On year 2, FO decided to roll with the young guys and they came to an understanding that playing Deng would not be beneficial for both parts.
Still, it was reported that Deng had a professional behavior, not missing practices or anything, so it was not about motivation. I believe he can be useful as a backup PF, playing 10-12mpg. _________________ .... |
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:47 am Post subject: |
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Once again there is the narrative that Deng somehow benched himself.
All reports from last season were positive He was motivated to play but management chose to bench him the entire season. Not Dengs choice.
He spent the entire season practicing, mentoring and with the team on road trips. Even reports of him simulating game situations during games. Working out when teammates playing and taking timeouts when they did.
None of that sounds like an unmotivated player to me.
My guess is he could easily provide quality backup mpg if allowed to. Not expecting Sixth Man of the Year awards but a solid reserve at SF/PF. I’m skeptical about the small ball center suggestions. But what do I know. |
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I love dengs attitude. Having him in the locker room would be a plus. |
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oldschool32 Franchise Player
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He should get minutes at pf this year. _________________ "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."-The Greatest |
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