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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 8:09 am    Post subject:

So he was gonna push himself this off-season to shut people up next year, pushed himself too hard and tore his pectoral and needed surgery, and now will miss the rest of the off-season.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 8:46 am    Post subject:

Deng trying to bulk up for the PF position
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:42 am    Post subject:

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Deng trying to bulk up for the PF position


He's gonna need to play at a high level to find a role at that position cause we already have players covering that position.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:47 am    Post subject:

I think that Loul Deng can have a much better season then the last one if he plays at the PF position but we have Randle and Nance. If you're talking about moving them up to the 5 then you're taking away from Zu, Black and Mozgov.

Zu,Randle and Nance are the only guys I think that should be guaranteed some type of role if they come back but it's interesting to see what the management is going to decide to do with Deng/Moz. We can either:

- play them to justify contracts and take away from younger players
- play them to boost trade value
- admit they suck and put them on the bench
- give them limited roles where they can be effective

With Mozgov, I think he's still going to be the best center on our roster not accounting for FAs and trades but Deng is going to be worse then Randle/Nance and potentially Zu.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 10:34 am    Post subject:

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So he was gonna push himself this off-season to shut people up next year, pushed himself too hard and tore his pectoral and needed surgery, and now will miss the rest of the off-season.


Now only if he pushed himself last season, to show he was worth the big contract he was signed for, then he wouldn't have to shut anybody up. Maybe that's the new mentality; get way overpaid, do nothing for the first year, then in the offseason quell the "haters" by actually trying to play basketball and work on your fitness....then get injured and spend the rest of the offseason drinking mai tais and watching reruns of Green Acres...
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 10:35 am    Post subject:

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Deng trying to bulk up for the PF position


He's gonna need to play at a high level to find a role at that position cause we already have players covering that position.


That's why Randle is working on his height this off season. To play more Center
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 10:40 am    Post subject:

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So he was gonna push himself this off-season to shut people up next year, pushed himself too hard and tore his pectoral and needed surgery, and now will miss the rest of the off-season.


Like Ibaka it is likely that Deng is older than what we think. There is a lesson to be learned there.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 10:42 am    Post subject:

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So he was gonna push himself this off-season to shut people up next year, pushed himself too hard and tore his pectoral and needed surgery, and now will miss the rest of the off-season.


Like Ibaka it is likely that Deng is older than what we think. There is a lesson to be learned there.


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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 10:52 am    Post subject:

with the surgery and the time line of being ready by the start of TC, he won't be allowed to participate in work outs and training?
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 10:57 am    Post subject:

Good Lord. There goes whatever little trade value he had left.
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Good Lord. There goes whatever little trade value he had left.


I don't think it's gonna have any affect, there is a lot of examples of players getting traded or signed in FA regardless of any injury.

I would bet that if a Melo trade happens and we need Dengs contract, it's not gonna make any difference.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 11:27 am    Post subject:

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Good Lord. There goes whatever little trade value he had left.


I don't think it's gonna have any affect, there is a lot of examples of players getting traded or signed in FA regardless of any injury.

I would bet that if a Melo trade happens and we need Dengs contract, it's not gonna make any difference.


Yeah but a healthy Deng can be sold as a perfect triangle player to new York. Now they'll consider his injury and age
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 11:36 am    Post subject:

if PJax trades Carmelo for any form including Deng... this is the mob that will descend on him...

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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 12:57 pm    Post subject:

crucifixion wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
crucifixion wrote:
Good Lord. There goes whatever little trade value he had left.


I don't think it's gonna have any affect, there is a lot of examples of players getting traded or signed in FA regardless of any injury.

I would bet that if a Melo trade happens and we need Dengs contract, it's not gonna make any difference.


Yeah but a healthy Deng can be sold as a perfect triangle player to new York. Now they'll consider his injury and age


What's the big deal? I read that he was gonna be ready way before TC starts, his time line to return to activity is in August.. I don't think it matters for anyone who trades for him it's not like he totally needs to workout or Improve his game, everyone knows who he is.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 3:05 pm    Post subject:

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Good Lord. There goes whatever little trade value he had left.


Negative trade value is even more negative.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 3:07 pm    Post subject:

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Good Lord. There goes whatever little trade value he had left.


Negative trade value is even more negative.


Doubt we would have been able to trade him this summer anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 3:35 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
crucifixion wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
crucifixion wrote:
Good Lord. There goes whatever little trade value he had left.


I don't think it's gonna have any affect, there is a lot of examples of players getting traded or signed in FA regardless of any injury.

I would bet that if a Melo trade happens and we need Dengs contract, it's not gonna make any difference.


Yeah but a healthy Deng can be sold as a perfect triangle player to new York. Now they'll consider his injury and age


What's the big deal? I read that he was gonna be ready way before TC starts, his time line to return to activity is in August.. I don't think it matters for anyone who trades for him it's not like he totally needs to workout or Improve his game, everyone knows who he is.


He actually needs to do both -- workout and get back his game. He came in out of shape and sucked most of last season. No one will trade anything of value for an old, broken down, regressing player. He needed this offseason to get back into the groove.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 3:39 pm    Post subject:

I think he can still be a productive player for us if he is able to play more PF.

But for in order for that to happen we'd need to get rid of Mozgov.

Then Deng could be the backup 4 and Nance the backup 5.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 3:48 pm    Post subject:

Daphanabe wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
crucifixion wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
crucifixion wrote:
Good Lord. There goes whatever little trade value he had left.


I don't think it's gonna have any affect, there is a lot of examples of players getting traded or signed in FA regardless of any injury.

I would bet that if a Melo trade happens and we need Dengs contract, it's not gonna make any difference.


Yeah but a healthy Deng can be sold as a perfect triangle player to new York. Now they'll consider his injury and age


What's the big deal? I read that he was gonna be ready way before TC starts, his time line to return to activity is in August.. I don't think it matters for anyone who trades for him it's not like he totally needs to workout or Improve his game, everyone knows who he is.


He actually needs to do both -- workout and get back his game. He came in out of shape and sucked most of last season. No one will trade anything of value for an old, broken down, regressing player. He needed this offseason to get back into the groove.


He blamed most of his struggles on the system and role as opposed to him admitting about being out of shape physically, like I said this doesn't change a thing in regards to a team needing to take on Dengs contract if we were to get someone like Melo or if the Bulls wanted him back.
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 5:23 pm    Post subject:

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They said he hurt it a few days ago weight lifting.


Then I was wrong. Thought it was a lingering injury from the regular season.
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 5:28 pm    Post subject:

If Magic can find a trade partner for Deng and or Mozgov he would have to be a lock for NBA executive of the year!
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 5:39 pm    Post subject:

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He can't even work out on a treadmill.
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 5:43 pm    Post subject:

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If Magic can find a trade partner for Deng and or Mozgov he would have to be a lock for NBA executive of the year!


Attach one to a top 3 pick and the other to Ingram.
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 6:10 pm    Post subject:

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pio2u wrote:
If Magic can find a trade partner for Deng and or Mozgov he would have to be a lock for NBA executive of the year!


Attach one to a top 3 pick and the other to Ingram.


yeah...that would make him an imbecile
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