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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Worthy42 wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Worthy42 wrote: | Since his 7/7 game for us, he's been a big donut. |
I'm not gonna try being a homer but the refs mistreatment of Moz has been well documented, I saw several situations of him being held when he was inside the paint, certainly he can play more better for sure, but the refs need him to play even if he's physical. |
Yeah I see it too, he gets no respect from the Refs at all, but really why should he? Gotta play through it.
Luke's top point in post game today was the bigs weak screens and lack of rolling. There was no motion from them. Whether they were held, got frustrated with the grappling and pushing and getting no calls or what, they just quit that. Luke said it killed spacing and there was nothing to work with when guys got the ball. |
He can't play through it if he's gonna get called for every foul, in fact that is apart of the reason his game throws off, and it seems like no one in the LA media brings it up but it's been a issue for the team cause he gets a bunch of awakward fouls or unwarranted calls every time the game starts.
Also that is probably why we want Noel who is known to set good screens if I'm not mistaken. |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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2nd percentile on post ups & 37th percentile on PnR _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Chronicle Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:08 am Post subject: |
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5 for 42 _________________ Kobe |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Noah has outperformed Mozgov by a small margin this year and the Knicks just announced that will be benching him. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Vesper Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:30 am Post subject: |
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WE don't have any replacements for Mozgov.
I dont mind using Zubac and starting him, but that is already signaling the tank.
ANy Center next to Randle will look bad defensively imo. |
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unleasHell Franchise Player
Joined: 16 Apr 2001 Posts: 11591 Location: Stay Thirsty my Friends
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:37 am Post subject: |
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MozGoof was a horrible waste of money, it's sad that the Lakers "Braintrust" did NOT notice that the Cavs won DESPITE of him not BECAUSE of him, and now we are stuck with him until his contract runs out.
Black plays with MORE heart and hustle at a fraction of the cost.
MozGoof's numbers are horrible, you mean to tell me the Lakers couldn't lose by 40 points with Zubac starting at center? (LOL)
Chalk another great signing up to JIMBO...! _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.” |
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mhan00 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Did the FO consult with Luke at all signing Moz? Why did we spend big money on him minute one of free agency so he can play six minutes a game? Luke praised the Mozgov signing, iirc, but Byron also said he was a big Jeremy Lin fan before the season, too. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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mhan00 wrote: | Did the FO consult with Luke at all signing Moz? Why did we spend big money on him minute one of free agency so he can play six minutes a game? Luke praised the Mozgov signing, iirc, but Byron also said he was a big Jeremy Lin fan before the season, too. |
Word was Luke wanted Moz specifically |
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Vesper Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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JUST a PR MOVE.
Hey luke, tell the media you like Mozgov so they dont criticize us more. |
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justsomelakerfan Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | mhan00 wrote: | Did the FO consult with Luke at all signing Moz? Why did we spend big money on him minute one of free agency so he can play six minutes a game? Luke praised the Mozgov signing, iirc, but Byron also said he was a big Jeremy Lin fan before the season, too. |
Word was Luke wanted Moz specifically |
That's what I read. And I'm okay with that. The front office is responsible for paying the guy and deciding the years, Luke just told them who he wanted. _________________ Austin Reaves
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Vesper wrote: | JUST a PR MOVE.
Hey luke, tell the media you like Mozgov so they dont criticize us more. |
Considering it came at the time of signing, unlikely. And unlikely they hired Luke and then signed a guy he hated and made him go out and say he loved him, or Mozgov talk about Luke's recruiting call. |
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Dave20 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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He needs to be coming off the bench. Zubac is the future. |
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mhan00 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | mhan00 wrote: | Did the FO consult with Luke at all signing Moz? Why did we spend big money on him minute one of free agency so he can play six minutes a game? Luke praised the Mozgov signing, iirc, but Byron also said he was a big Jeremy Lin fan before the season, too. |
Word was Luke wanted Moz specifically |
Indictment of Luke, then. Even on the few occasions he's giving us something, he still sits. Horrible signing that looks worse with each passing game. |
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unleasHell Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry to pile on, but consider this:
In tonight's LOSS MosGoof ($16mil/yr) had 4 points and 1 rebound was completely dominated by some no-name center (making $1.3mil/yr) who had 29 points and 15 rebounds!
Ok the other center played a lot more minutes, but just what are the Lakers paying MosGoof for?
MosGoof is averaging a whopping 21.3 Minutes per game?! Considering a game is 48 minutes, that equates to about 37% - meaning he is NOT playing 63% of the time! That ranks him 25th in minutes among NBA Centers.
MosGoof is ranked 27th in Points/game among NBA Centers.
MosGoof is ranked 34th in Rebounds/game among NBA Centers
MosGoof is ranked 39th in Blocks/game among NBA Centers
Yet MosGoof is the 9th highest paid center in the NBA, ahead of Cousins, Tristan Thompson, Pau Gasol, etc...
And the Lakers are stuck with him for 3 years (after this season)! _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.” |
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Vesper Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | Vesper wrote: | JUST a PR MOVE.
Hey luke, tell the media you like Mozgov so they dont criticize us more. |
Considering it came at the time of signing, unlikely. And unlikely they hired Luke and then signed a guy he hated and made him go out and say he loved him, or Mozgov talk about Luke's recruiting call. |
They did that to MIke D. |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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unleasHell wrote: | Sorry to pile on, but consider this:
In tonight's LOSS MosGoof ($16mil/yr) had 4 points and 1 rebound was completely dominated by some no-name center (making $1.3mil/yr) who had 29 points and 15 rebounds!
Ok the other center played a lot more minutes, but just what are the Lakers paying MosGoof for?
MosGoof is averaging a whopping 21.3 Minutes per game?! Considering a game is 48 minutes, that equates to about 37% - meaning he is NOT playing 63% of the time! That ranks him 25th in minutes among NBA Centers.
MosGoof is ranked 27th in Points/game among NBA Centers.
MosGoof is ranked 34th in Rebounds/game among NBA Centers
MosGoof is ranked 39th in Blocks/game among NBA Centers
Yet MosGoof is the 9th highest paid center in the NBA, ahead of Cousins, Tristan Thompson, Pau Gasol, etc...
And the Lakers are stuck with him for 3 years (after this season)! |
If you think Jokic is a no name player, you really should stop commenting about the NBA period. |
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lakers4life78 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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I'm surprised that Mozgov, the player the entire NBA was laughing at when the Lakers threw 60+ million at, is not very good. Oh well, at least he's only signed to a 4 year deal like Deng. _________________ 17 time World Champions |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Mozgovs value is when he matches up against the physical centers, as you can see Jokic was to skilled and versatile on the offensive end, he can match up against Tyson Chandler... and the like. He was the reason we won early in the seasonagainst the Kings when he played good D on Cousins.
His value has been there but trashing him is just dumb |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Vesper wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | Vesper wrote: | JUST a PR MOVE.
Hey luke, tell the media you like Mozgov so they dont criticize us more. |
Considering it came at the time of signing, unlikely. And unlikely they hired Luke and then signed a guy he hated and made him go out and say he loved him, or Mozgov talk about Luke's recruiting call. |
They did that to MIke D. |
Huh? |
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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I think Mosgov takes way too much blame for the starters. His contract is horrendous no doubt but he's not nearly the biggest problem out there. Deng has been average on defense and bad on offense. Russell And Randle are limited offensively and terrible defensively. Nick is ok but it's not all on Mosgov. |
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Vesper Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | Vesper wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | Vesper wrote: | JUST a PR MOVE.
Hey luke, tell the media you like Mozgov so they dont criticize us more. |
Considering it came at the time of signing, unlikely. And unlikely they hired Luke and then signed a guy he hated and made him go out and say he loved him, or Mozgov talk about Luke's recruiting call. |
They did that to MIke D. |
Huh? |
Dwight Howard. |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Dwight was already here when Mike D came. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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saetarubia Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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It was obvious Zubac had the offensive skills to match a player like Moz rightaway after SL. We could have spent that money on Biyombo and got an athletic rim protector. Moz is average on offense and a below average defender. _________________ Showtime 2.0 |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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But regardless, Luke wanting Mozgov still wasn't a reason to give the guy 4y/64M. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Vesper Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | Dwight was already here when Mike D came. |
Dangit. |
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