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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:36 pm    Post subject:

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^^^ exactly. The piss poor GM's that gave those horrible contracts got fired for doing so. Justifying our dead weight because other idiots did the same is a fallacy for an argument.

It's a horrible contract for his level of talent. He is a replacement lev talent that we are paying Superstar money to. Money that could have been used elsewhere or saved for this year.

Absolute recklessness in spending a scarce resource


This.

There's no justification of his contract. He's not worth it. Tariq can pretty much do whatever he does best except maybe his occasional midrange with better defense to boot. And now we have Zu and I would rather give Zu all the minutes especially us not being a playoff team at this point.
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Pau signed a two year contract with the second year a player option.

$15.5 million and $16.2 million.

Pau is also 36, so I would think that the Spurs weren't expecting him to be awesome.


Sure, but they did sign him to similar money to what other starters get, so ignoring him and going with Dedmon is not really accurate.




The list of names was generated by another poster, so the omission of Pau Gasol can't be attributed to me.


I only went through the centers that were given - mentioned which were a mix of summer 2016 signings and some prior signings.
Signings in 2016 such Boban, Nene, Aldrich, Jefferson, Hibbert etc weren't even mentioned. Adams was mentioned, but he doesn't even start to get paid until next season.


I have no problem going through all of the teams and will even note quite a few players that are more PF than Center. It should be fairly accurate other than not touching on player options.



2016 - 2017 Signings & Transactions:


Brooklyn
Trevor Booker -- 2 years ($9,250,000 | $9,125,000)
Justin Hamilton -- 2 year ($3,000,000 | $3,000,000)
Andrew Nicholson -- From trade with Washington ($6,088,993 | $6,362,998 | $6,637,002 | $6,911,007)
Luis Scola -- 1 year ($5,000,000) and eventually waived
Anthony Bennett - 1 year ($1,015,696) and eventually waived
Traded Chris McCullough


Phoenix
Marquesse Criss -- Rookie Contract
Dragan Bender -- Rookie Contract
Alan Williams -- 1 year ($874,636)


Lakers
Mozgov -- Details already discussed
Black -- Details already discussed
Robinson -- Details already discussed
Zubac-- Details already discussed


Philadelphia
Shawn Long -- 3 years with 2017 - 18 and 2018 - 19 unguaranteed ($89,513 | $1,312,611 | $1,544,951)
Alex Poythress -- Rest of season ($6,934)
Tiago Splitter -- From trade with Atlanta ($8,550,000)
Ersan Ilyasova -- Traded for from OKC and then eventually traded to Atlanta
Traded Noel
Waived Bogut
Waived Pleiss
Waived Kaun


Orlando
Bismack Biyombo -- 4 years ($17,000,000 | $17,000,000 | $17,000,000 | $18,872,365)
Stephen Zimmerman -- Rookie Contract
Ibaka-- Signed in summer 2016 and traded in winter 2017 to Toronto


Minnesota
Cole Aldrich -- 3 years ($7,643,979| $7,300,000 | $6,956,021)
Jordan Hill -- 2 years with 2017 - 2018 unguaranteed ($3,911,380 | $4,088,020)
Gorgui Deing -- Extension starts next season ($2,348,783 | $14,112,360 | $15,170,787 | $16,229,213n | $17,287,640)
Kevin Garnett -- Retired


New York
Joakim Noah -- 4 years ($17,000,000 | $17,765,000 | $18,530,000 | $19,295,000)
Willy Hernangomez -- 4 years ($1,375,000 | $1,435,750 | $1,496,500 | $1,557,250)
Marshall Plumlee -- 3 years with 2017 - 18 and 2018 - 19 not fully guaranteed ($543,471 | $905,249 | $1,050,262)
Robin Lopez -- Traded


Sacramento
Anthony Tolliver -- 2 years with 2018 - 2019 partially guaranteed ($8,000,000 | $8,000,000)
Georgios Papagiannis -- Rookie Contract
Skal Labissier -- Rookie Contract
Traded Cousins


Dallas
Nerlens Noel -- From trade with Philadelphia ($4,384,490)
A.J. Hammons -- 3 years ($650,000 | $905,249 | $1,050,262)
Jarrod Uthoff -- 2 years with 2017 - 18 unguaranteed.($47,953 | $1,312,611)
Bogut traded for in summer 2016 and traded out for Noel


New Orleans
DeMarcus Cousins -- From trade with Sacramento ($16,957,900 | $18,063,850)
Donatas Motiejunas -- Needs a new contract ($576,724)
Cheick Diallo -- 3 years ($543,471 | $905,249 | $1,050,262)


Charlotte
Miles Plumlee -- From trade with Milwaukee. 4 years ($12,500,000 | $12,500,000 | $12,500,000 | $12,500,000)
Cody Zeller -- Extensions starts next season ($5,318,313 | $12,584,270 | $13,528,090 | $14,471,910 | $15,415,730)
Christian Wood -- 2 years with 2017 - 18 team option ($874,636 | $1,014,746)
Spencer Hawes -- Traded to Milwaukee
Roy Hibbert -- Signed in summer 2016 and traded in winter 2017 to Milwaukee


Detroit
Jon Leuer -- 4 years ($10,991,957 | $10,497,319 | $10,002,681 | $9,508,043)
Boban Marjanovic -- 3 years ($7,000,000 | $7,000,000 | $7,000,000)
Henry Ellenson -- Rookie Contract


Denver
Darrell Arthur -- 3 years ($8,070,175 | $7,464,912 | $7,464,912)
Juan Hernangomez --= Rookie Contract
Mason Plumlee -- From trade with Portland ($2,328,530)
Roy Hibbert -- From trade with Milwaukee ($5,000,000)
Traded Nurkic


Miami
Hassan Whiteside -- 4 years ($22,116,750 | $23,775,506 | $25,434,263 | $27,093,018)
Udonis Haslem -- ($4,000,000)
Willie Reed -- 2 years ($1,015,696 | $1,087,745)


Portland
Meyers Leonard -- 4 years ($9,213,484 | $9,904,495 | $10,595,506 | $11,286,515)
Festus Ezeli -- 2 years with 2017 - 18 partially ($7,400,000 | $7,733,000)
Jusuf Nurkic -- From trade with Denver ($1,921,320 | $2,947,305)


Milwaukee
Thon Maker -- Rookie Contract
Michael Beasley -- From trade with Houston ($1,403,611)
Spencer Hawes -- From trade with Charlotte ($6,348,759 | $6,021,175)
Mirza Teletovic -- 3 years ($10,500,000 | $10,500,000 | $10,500,000)
Roy Hibbert -- Traded for from Charlotte and then traded to Denver


Indiana
Al Jefferson -- 3 years with 2018 - 19 partially guaranteed ($10,230,179 | $9,769,821 | $10,000,000)
Kevin Seraphin -- 2 years with 2017 - 18 unguaranteed ($1,800,000 | $1,881,000)


Memphis
Deyonta Davis -- Rookie Contract
JaMychal Green -- Needs a new contract or maybe is partially guaranteed for 2017 - 18 ($980,431)


Atlanta
Dwight Howard -- 3 years ($23,180,275 | $23,500,000 | $23,819,725)
Kris Humphries -- Needs a new contract ($4,000,000)
Ersan Ilyasova -- Traded for from Philadelphia ($8,400,000)
Ryan Kelly -- 2 years with 2017 - 18 unguaranteed ($286,785 | $1,577,230)
Traded Tiago Splitter


OKC
Domantas Sabonis -- Rookie Contract
Traded Ibaka
Traded Ersan Ilyasova


Washington
Ian Mahinmi -- 4 years ($15,944,154 | $16,661,641 | $15,944,154 | $15,450,051)
Jason Smith -- 3 years ($5,000,000 | $5,225,000 | $5,450,000)
Chris McCullough -- From trade with Brooklyn. Rookie Contract.
Daniel Ochefu -- 3 years with 2017-18 and 2018-19 unguaranteed ($543,471 | $905,249 | $1,050,262)
Traded Andrew Nicholson


Cleveland
Andrew Bogut -- Eventually waived ($242,224)
Larry Sanders -- Eventually waived ($207,722)
Walter Tavares -- 2 years with maybe 2017 - 18 not fully guaranteed (? | $1,512,611)
Traded Sasha Kaun


Utah
Boris Diaw -- From trade with San Antonio. 2017-18 is unguaranteed ($7,000,000 | $7,500,000)
Traded Pleiss

Toronto
Jakob Poeltl -- Rookie Contract
Serge Ibaka -- From trade with Orlando ($12,250,000)


Clippers
Brandon Bass -- ($1,551,659)
Marreese Speights -- ($1,403,611 | $1,459,969)
Brice Johnson -- Rookie Contract
Diamond Stone -- ($543,471 | $905,249)


Boston
Al Horford -- 4 years ($26,540,100 | $27,734,405 | $28,928,710 | $30,123,015)


Houston
Ryan Anderson -- 4 years ($18,735,364 | $19,578,455 | $20,421,546 | $21,264,635)
Nene Hilario -- ($2,898,000)
Chianu Onuaku -- 3 years ($543,471 | $905,249 | $1,050,262)


San Antonio
Pau Gasol -- 2 years ($15,500,000 | $16,197,500)
Dewayne Dedmon -- 2 years ($2,898,000 | $3,028,410)
David Lee -- 2 years ($1,551,659 | $1,605,967)
Traded Boris Diaw


Golden State
Zaza Pachulia -- ($2,898,000)
David West -- ($1,551,659)
JaVale McGee -- ($1,403,611)
Anderson Varejao -- Eventually waived ($1,551,659)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:40 am    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Pau signed a two year contract with the second year a player option.

$15.5 million and $16.2 million.

Pau is also 36, so I would think that the Spurs weren't expecting him to be awesome.


Sure, but they did sign him to similar money to what other starters get, so ignoring him and going with Dedmon is not really accurate.


The money per year has never been the problem with the Mozgov deal. It's the years.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:52 am    Post subject:

crucifixion wrote:
^^^ exactly. The piss poor GM's that gave those horrible contracts got fired for doing so. Justifying our dead weight because other idiots did the same is a fallacy for an argument.

It's a horrible contract for his level of talent. He is a replacement lev talent that we are paying Superstar money to. Money that could have been used elsewhere or saved for this year.

Absolute recklessness in spending a scarce resource


This will always be the bottom line

Bogut
Aldrich
Monroe
Dedmon
Maybe even Nene/Hibbert

Would have all been better short term fits when you include the contract than giving Mozgov 4y/64M. Especially when you realize Mozgov would only be playing 20MPG.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:57 am    Post subject:

dcarter4kobe wrote:
crucifixion wrote:
^^^ exactly. The piss poor GM's that gave those horrible contracts got fired for doing so. Justifying our dead weight because other idiots did the same is a fallacy for an argument.

It's a horrible contract for his level of talent. He is a replacement lev talent that we are paying Superstar money to. Money that could have been used elsewhere or saved for this year.

Absolute recklessness in spending a scarce resource


This will always be the bottom line

Bogut
Aldrich
Monroe
Dedmon
Maybe even Nene/Hibbert

Would have all been better short term fits when you include the contract than giving Mozgov 4y/64M. Especially when you realize Mozgov would only be playing 20MPG.


You are right. In hindsight we could have just Kept Hibbert on a short term deal knowing what we know now.

But, just for Clarification EVery team that doesn't have DEANDRE, MARC, Gobert, TOwns...is spending a lot of Money on there Center.

Bogut- when acquired by Dallas was at 11 million
Monroe - 17 million
Nene- 1 yr 2 million ( while this is a good deal, nene played super limited minutes with the rockets including a lot of game were he didn't play at all, due to them wanting to preserve him for the playoffs.

Overall, No excuses in hindsight the deal is bad. But Mozgov is not a bad player, and as many have pointed out we are the Lakers money isn't an issue, if someone of noteworthy is really available we will find a way to shed salary.

Don't let a bad deal cloud your judgement on the affect Mozgov can still have. He is a quality center that can match up against the better players at his position and hold his own. Something the Lakers don't have

And no TARIk can not fill in as a starting Center if we want to put out a winning team. Small ball rarealy worked for us and was the main reason for our terrible defense, which correct me if I'm wrong was last in the nBA?

ITs arguable whether Zubac is ready to assume a starting role. BUT imo at 20 years of age, playing 82 games against the best centers in the league. If we are trying to win next season wont be the answer.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:29 am    Post subject:

dcarter4kobe wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Pau signed a two year contract with the second year a player option.

$15.5 million and $16.2 million.

Pau is also 36, so I would think that the Spurs weren't expecting him to be awesome.


Sure, but they did sign him to similar money to what other starters get, so ignoring him and going with Dedmon is not really accurate.


The money per year has never been the problem with the Mozgov deal. It's the years.


I keep hearing this, but then I keep hearing about this year and next (you know, the mythical double max signing, or, ironically, overpaying other non stars).
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:58 am    Post subject:

Do you guys do this trade?

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TMosgov
JClarkson
4
BLopez
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:10 am    Post subject:

lakerican wrote:
Do you guys do this trade?

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TMosgov
JClarkson
4
BLopez
CLeVert



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:41 am    Post subject:

lakerican wrote:
Do you guys do this trade?

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TMosgov
JClarkson
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BLopez
CLeVert



Why the hell would Broolyn do that?
Lopez >> Mozgov
LeVert >> Clarkson
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:41 am    Post subject:

We'd be lucky to get Lopez for Moz/JC/28th pick.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:52 am    Post subject:

dcarter4kobe wrote:
crucifixion wrote:
^^^ exactly. The piss poor GM's that gave those horrible contracts got fired for doing so. Justifying our dead weight because other idiots did the same is a fallacy for an argument.

It's a horrible contract for his level of talent. He is a replacement lev talent that we are paying Superstar money to. Money that could have been used elsewhere or saved for this year.

Absolute recklessness in spending a scarce resource


This will always be the bottom line

Bogut
Aldrich
Monroe
Dedmon
Maybe even Nene/Hibbert

Would have all been better short term fits when you include the contract than giving Mozgov 4y/64M. Especially when you realize Mozgov would only be playing 20MPG.


None would have been better, none of them played decently this season except maybe Dedmon.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:57 am    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Pau signed a two year contract with the second year a player option.

$15.5 million and $16.2 million.

Pau is also 36, so I would think that the Spurs weren't expecting him to be awesome.


Sure, but they did sign him to similar money to what other starters get, so ignoring him and going with Dedmon is not really accurate.


The money per year has never been the problem with the Mozgov deal. It's the years.


I keep hearing this, but then I keep hearing about this year and next (you know, the mythical double max signing, or, ironically, overpaying other non stars).


Yes but he counterpoint is by having the ability to sign two max players at least you have a shot at convincing two guys to team up in Los Angeles. That sounds much more enticing than signing here as the only max guy.

Of course getting two guys is far from guaranteed, but the argument is that it makes the Lakers much more attractive.

The other argument is those two will be old by the end of their contracts.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:00 am    Post subject:

crucifixion wrote:
^^^ exactly. The piss poor GM's that gave those horrible contracts got fired for doing so. Justifying our dead weight because other idiots did the same is a fallacy for an argument.

It's a horrible contract for his level of talent. He is a replacement lev talent that we are paying Superstar money to. Money that could have been used elsewhere or saved for this year.

Absolute recklessness in spending a scarce resource


I can't believe this is still being discussed or argued at this point.

I thought I'd do my part by not handing out dozens of "I told you so's" which so many deserve for so much crap I took, but then the other part is for the supporters of this disaster to just STOP.

And yet some still refuse to.
To still be having this discussion now is making this entire thread from a tragedy thread to a comedy thread.
So I guess there is a silver lining...
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venturalakersfan wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
crucifixion wrote:
^^^ exactly. The piss poor GM's that gave those horrible contracts got fired for doing so. Justifying our dead weight because other idiots did the same is a fallacy for an argument.

It's a horrible contract for his level of talent. He is a replacement lev talent that we are paying Superstar money to. Money that could have been used elsewhere or saved for this year.

Absolute recklessness in spending a scarce resource


This will always be the bottom line

Bogut
Aldrich
Monroe
Dedmon
Maybe even Nene/Hibbert

Would have all been better short term fits when you include the contract than giving Mozgov 4y/64M. Especially when you realize Mozgov would only be playing 20MPG.


None would have been better, none of them played decently this season except maybe Dedmon.


All would have been better.
Most for their games, some for their contracts, all of them when counting both.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:04 am    Post subject:

Lol @ "paying super star money."
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:05 am    Post subject:

akk7 wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Pau signed a two year contract with the second year a player option.

$15.5 million and $16.2 million.

Pau is also 36, so I would think that the Spurs weren't expecting him to be awesome.


Sure, but they did sign him to similar money to what other starters get, so ignoring him and going with Dedmon is not really accurate.


The money per year has never been the problem with the Mozgov deal. It's the years.


I keep hearing this, but then I keep hearing about this year and next (you know, the mythical double max signing, or, ironically, overpaying other non stars).


Yes but he counterpoint is by having the ability to sign two max players at least you have a shot at convincing two guys to team up in Los Angeles. That sounds much more enticing than signing here as the only max guy.

Of course getting two guys is far from guaranteed, but the argument is that it makes the Lakers much more attractive.

The other argument is those two will be old by the end of their contracts.


Biggest point is that a short contract can almost always be dealt away to create cap space if we need to, and that's not even considering the fact that it can even become an asset in a heartbeat instead of a burden for years.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Pau signed a two year contract with the second year a player option.

$15.5 million and $16.2 million.

Pau is also 36, so I would think that the Spurs weren't expecting him to be awesome.


Sure, but they did sign him to similar money to what other starters get, so ignoring him and going with Dedmon is not really accurate.


The money per year has never been the problem with the Mozgov deal. It's the years.


I keep hearing this, but then I keep hearing about this year and next (you know, the mythical double max signing, or, ironically, overpaying other non stars).

Forget the double max pipe. Having an extra 16M in flexibility will always be better than paying 16M for a replacement level big.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject:

akk7 wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Pau signed a two year contract with the second year a player option.

$15.5 million and $16.2 million.

Pau is also 36, so I would think that the Spurs weren't expecting him to be awesome.


Sure, but they did sign him to similar money to what other starters get, so ignoring him and going with Dedmon is not really accurate.


The money per year has never been the problem with the Mozgov deal. It's the years.


I keep hearing this, but then I keep hearing about this year and next (you know, the mythical double max signing, or, ironically, overpaying other non stars).


Yes but he counterpoint is by having the ability to sign two max players at least you have a shot at convincing two guys to team up in Los Angeles. That sounds much more enticing than signing here as the only max guy.

Of course getting two guys is far from guaranteed, but the argument is that it makes the Lakers much more attractive.

The other argument is those two will be old by the end of their contracts.


Or the other argument is that stars don't want to come to a bad team. We can hope and wish all we want, but they aren't coming. Now once we make some smaller moves and some of the youth improve, that might change.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:09 am    Post subject:

dcarter4kobe wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Pau signed a two year contract with the second year a player option.

$15.5 million and $16.2 million.

Pau is also 36, so I would think that the Spurs weren't expecting him to be awesome.


Sure, but they did sign him to similar money to what other starters get, so ignoring him and going with Dedmon is not really accurate.


The money per year has never been the problem with the Mozgov deal. It's the years.


I keep hearing this, but then I keep hearing about this year and next (you know, the mythical double max signing, or, ironically, overpaying other non stars).

Forget the double max pipe. Having an extra 16M in flexibility will always be better than paying 16M for a replacement level big.


Mozgov (and Deng) are exactly why the Lakers can't just go sign someone like Jrue holiday this summer without it being a crucial franchise decision.
This is the definition of being hampered.
Was always going to be the case whether it was Max players or just "really good" players who are actually worth their contracts and young enough to be around when the team has a chance to contend.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:15 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
crucifixion wrote:
^^^ exactly. The piss poor GM's that gave those horrible contracts got fired for doing so. Justifying our dead weight because other idiots did the same is a fallacy for an argument.

It's a horrible contract for his level of talent. He is a replacement lev talent that we are paying Superstar money to. Money that could have been used elsewhere or saved for this year.

Absolute recklessness in spending a scarce resource


This will always be the bottom line

Bogut
Aldrich
Monroe
Dedmon
Maybe even Nene/Hibbert

Would have all been better short term fits when you include the contract than giving Mozgov 4y/64M. Especially when you realize Mozgov would only be playing 20MPG.


None would have been better, none of them played decently this season except maybe Dedmon.

I'm guessing you didn't pay much attention to Monroe who has improved on defense this season. But as long as you include Mozgov with list of not playing decently.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:18 am    Post subject:

davidse wrote:
crucifixion wrote:
^^^ exactly. The piss poor GM's that gave those horrible contracts got fired for doing so. Justifying our dead weight because other idiots did the same is a fallacy for an argument.

It's a horrible contract for his level of talent. He is a replacement lev talent that we are paying Superstar money to. Money that could have been used elsewhere or saved for this year.

Absolute recklessness in spending a scarce resource


I can't believe this is still being discussed or argued at this point.

I thought I'd do my part by not handing out dozens of "I told you so's" which so many deserve for so much crap I took, but then the other part is for the supporters of this disaster to just STOP.

And yet some still refuse to.
To still be having this discussion now is making this entire thread from a tragedy thread to a comedy thread.
So I guess there is a silver lining...

It has long been comedy.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:21 am    Post subject:

This is pretty simple.

Bad contract.

Next year, he still probably starts at center.

Would I rather have the 16m/year back? Absolutely.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:49 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
This is pretty simple.

Bad contract.

Next year, he still probably starts at center.

Would I rather have the 16m/year back? Absolutely.


Bad contract. But still serviceable player. On same tier as plenty of centers with similar contract numbers.

We lack players at his position with size.

IMO Deng's contract is way worse because we have players that are better than him at position at this point. Randle/Nance.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:51 am    Post subject:

dcarter4kobe wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
crucifixion wrote:
^^^ exactly. The piss poor GM's that gave those horrible contracts got fired for doing so. Justifying our dead weight because other idiots did the same is a fallacy for an argument.

It's a horrible contract for his level of talent. He is a replacement lev talent that we are paying Superstar money to. Money that could have been used elsewhere or saved for this year.

Absolute recklessness in spending a scarce resource


This will always be the bottom line

Bogut
Aldrich
Monroe
Dedmon
Maybe even Nene/Hibbert

Would have all been better short term fits when you include the contract than giving Mozgov 4y/64M. Especially when you realize Mozgov would only be playing 20MPG.


None would have been better, none of them played decently this season except maybe Dedmon.

I'm guessing you didn't pay much attention to Monroe who has improved on defense this season. But as long as you include Mozgov with list of not playing decently.


Monroe has not improved on defense. I was waiting for someone to bring this up. Because of 1 game in the playoffs were he played ok and took a charge people are claiming he can play defense. the guy is one of the worst defenders at the C position in the NBA and comes off the bench. Go back and watch game 1 there are plenty of situations were he was lost or messed up PnR coverage.

this is the media driven BS.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:52 am    Post subject:

BobbyB wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
This is pretty simple.

Bad contract.

Next year, he still probably starts at center.

Would I rather have the 16m/year back? Absolutely.


Bad contract. But still serviceable player. On same tier as plenty of centers with similar contract numbers.

We lack players at his position with size.

IMO Deng's contract is way worse because we have players that are better than him at position at this point. Randle/Nance.


That's fine, but obviously in hindsight, most of us would rather have 16m/year back.
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-Same as above and Jules renounced/traded for $0 = 69.9m in 2018 cap space

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