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KindCrippler2000
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 Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: lakers got 2 lottery talents this draft |
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| DancingBarry wrote: | | JM wrote: |
Zubac: The short, 12-16 foot jumper has been a surprise as has been his turnaround bank (which I did not expect to fall at all.) Like the way he alters shots and hangs in there.
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The bank, he's shown in the past. I expected to see that. The touch from out to 18+ feet...that was a surprise. You'd have to see him in practice or in a private workout to see that. Mitch definitely did his homework. |
It's the comfort with which he takes those shots that stands out to me. In contrast, you can tell Nance isn't comfortable taking the jumper even though he's been working on them.
People act like SL doesn't matter but some things will immediately translate. You guys don't think he'll be able run the floor on the NBA court? What's the difference between the SL and NBA court? Nothing. The jumper will also translate. The NBA level physicality is something he'll also have to get accustomed to but he'll get there.
Being just 19, Zubac's got huge upside. |
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310LAKERS
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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im not sold on Zubac.
He reminds me too much of Slava, and Chris Mihm |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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If LA talks Westbrook deal with OKC I would be surprised if Zubac wasn't one of the pieces Presti asks for. I love the guy but it would be kind of poetic, Marc brought us Pau and Zubac could be a piece that helps land Westbrook.
Maybe something like Russell, Zubac, Calderon, any assets we could get for Lou, and another future Laker first.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | If LA talks Westbrook deal with OKC I would be surprised if Zubac wasn't one of the pieces Presti asks for. I love the guy but it would be kind of poetic, Marc brought us Pau and Zubac could be a piece that helps land Westbrook.
Maybe something like Russell, Zubac, Calderon, any assets we could get for Lou, and another future Laker first. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| 310LAKERS wrote: | im not sold on Zubac.
He reminds me too much of Slava, and Chris Mihm |
Zubac is bigger than Slava, and Slava never shown this kind of potential on defense. Slava has a good stroke from outside but Zubac has shown a lot more post moves. Mihm actually is not a bad player before the injury, Zubac is not as quick as Mihm but dude has better range and post moves.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| 310LAKERS wrote: | im not sold on Zubac.
He reminds me too much of Slava, and Chris Mihm |
He has way more of a presence on D then Slava (can't even really compare them on that end). Offensively, Slava did have some skills. Mihm was limited offensively, didn't have quite the defensive anticipation even though he moved better.
If you picture him as a black player, who comes to mind?  |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| 310LAKERS wrote: | im not sold on Zubac.
He reminds me too much of Slava, and Chris Mihm |
I have high hopes for him.
His postgame remains me of Andrew Bynum. He just has really nice touch around the basket.
Im a believer of anyaltics but a nice post game is still important. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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brian shaw mentioned Lakers had him @16 spot |
And the rumor is that he fell to the second round because he wanted to play right away instead of being stashed overseas. Who would have guessed that the Lakers got a first-round talent dropped to them because he wanted to play?  |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | 310LAKERS wrote: | im not sold on Zubac.
He reminds me too much of Slava, and Chris Mihm |
I have high hopes for him.
His postgame remains me of Andrew Bynum. He just has really nice touch around the basket.
Im a believer of anyaltics but a nice post game is still important. |
Yeah, they both have pretty good hands and soft touch around the basket. Bynum has more size, but Zubac is quicker and more fluid, Zubac also appears to be a better shooter from outside and at the charity stripes. The knee injuries and behaving like a jackass derailed Bynum's career, so far Zubac seems to have a much better personality and more grounded.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| DancingBarry wrote: | | 310LAKERS wrote: | im not sold on Zubac.
He reminds me too much of Slava, and Chris Mihm |
He has way more of a presence on D then Slava (can't even really compare them on that end). Offensively, Slava did have some skills. Mihm was limited offensively, didn't have quite the defensive anticipation even though he moved better.
If you picture him as a black player, who comes to mind? |
I just want to point out that Mihm had some game. That ankle injury devastated his game and he was never the same. |
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| oldschool32 wrote: | | I'm pulling for Zubac. I really hope he is the Lakers starting center in 2-3 seasons. He has shown some really good instincts at protecting the rim that I didn't expect. I'm not sure if he'll ever make an all star team, but he was a steal at 32. If Zubac is able to realize his full potential in the future, that sure would take away some of the Sting from losing the draft picks. |
Agree. I'm genuinely rooting for the guy. Calm me crazy, but I just see that he wants "it". I'll always show support for those that strive to be the best from the ground up. In regards to the lost picks, my feeling exactly. To make matters worse it's going to a 6'ers team that has had nothing but lottery picks the past decade lol
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Summer league.... key is that they look good against the scrubs here. If you look bad or average in summer league, lawd save us lol.
Won't have an opinion until our players compete against real NBA player in the preseason.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| non-player zealot wrote: | | oldschool32 wrote: | | I'm pulling for Zubac. I really hope he is the Lakers starting center in 2-3 seasons. He has shown some really good instincts at protecting the rim that I didn't expect. I'm not sure if he'll ever make an all star team, but he was a steal at 32. If Zubac is able to realize his full potential in the future, that sure would take away some of the Sting from losing the draft picks. |
He would take away the sting of having to lose Marc to gain Pau. I always hated how the one uncommon draft score Mitch made in those days had to be dealt. |
He had me thinking that he was the third Gasol brother in Summer League. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| 310LAKERS wrote: | im not sold on Zubac.
He reminds me too much of Slava, and Chris Mihm |
In what way? Slava's game is completely different than Chris Mihm whose completely different than Zubac whose completely different than Slava.
Do you mean the Russian thing and the color of their skin? LOL! |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Ironically that's exactly where the Lakers had him ranked. |
What makes this ironic? |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | 310LAKERS wrote: | im not sold on Zubac.
He reminds me too much of Slava, and Chris Mihm |
In what way? Slava's game is completely different than Chris Mihm whose completely different than Zubac whose completely different than Slava.
Do you mean the Russian thing and the color of their skin? LOL! |
Yeah, that's a real odd comparison. Zubac's game coudln't be any different than those two...in particular Slava. Zero similarities. |
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | 310LAKERS wrote: | im not sold on Zubac.
He reminds me too much of Slava, and Chris Mihm |
In what way? Slava's game is completely different than Chris Mihm whose completely different than Zubac whose completely different than Slava.
Do you mean the Russian thing and the color of their skin? LOL! |
Yeah, that's a real odd comparison. Zubac's game coudln't be any different than those two...in particular Slava. Zero similarities. |
An unhealthy amount of player comps are based off of skin tones and hair cuts. |
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Zubac will take Mozgov's starting spot in year 3 or 4 or Timofey's monster contract.
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | If LA talks Westbrook deal with OKC I would be surprised if Zubac wasn't one of the pieces Presti asks for. I love the guy but it would be kind of poetic, Marc brought us Pau and Zubac could be a piece that helps land Westbrook.
Maybe something like Russell, Zubac, Calderon, any assets we could get for Lou, and another future Laker first. |
Forget it. We've traded enough first round picks already. Now you want to trade our lottery pick, a future first, and a guy we took that possibly should have been a first? We're not winning much with Westbrook anytime soon anyway. At least with the Gasol deal the team was teaming him up with Kobe in his prime and gunning for a title.
And Westbrook will be a free agent soon anyway. OKC is the team that should be desperate when doing any deals, not us. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | non-player zealot wrote: | | DocK36 wrote: | | Kirby Brian wrote: | lol
here we go with the annual overrating our players |
there are things that are pretty evident just by watching these meaningless games, the guy's length, his mobility for someone his size, that soft shooting touch, the FT shooting, those things are not going away. You can clearly see the raw talent and the skills he possesses. Now there are things that we don't know, injury, work ethic, coachability, which can dictate whether or not he can live up to the potential, but the excitement is warranted. |
Maybe Kirby can't see the difference between Zubac and Sacre. One knowing how to play basketball and the other being absolutely feckless in any type of game escapes him. No disrespect to you, Dock, but I think Zubac's touch is refined compared to that of some Cs taken in the top 5. Dwight, Kwame? He already knows how to hit perimeter shots from out front and baseline and has a soft turnaround banker. Dwight still can't make the kind of shots this kid has already made in 4 Summer League games. The fact that he actually CATCHES inlet passes is a refreshing change of pace. We usually get the ones who can't. Maybe Kirby didn't notice the hundred odd number of times that bigs like Samaki, Kwame, and Dwight stumbled, fumbled, and bumbled when the ball was thrown to them in the paint. |
Exactly, it's easy to see the high ceiling Zubac has, and he's being universally praised by neutral NBA observers. It's premature to think of Ingram or Zubac becoming A-S caliber, but if a poster doesn't have the basketall acumen to not lump Zubac in with Caracter and Ebanks, that's on them. |
Zubac's potential is more readily evident than Bynum's was at this same early stage. Bynum was raw and pudgy at this point, but because he was the 10th pick, I think there was more wishful thinking applied to him than there will be for a guy taken at 32. That's probably just a psychological thing, kinda like how league people would squint at Kwame and do their best to convince themselves that there may have been some talent there that the Wizards didn't notice, or that Jordan was wrong when he called him a "P.-ass B." I remember people with good hoops minds still touting Kwame's man defense with Detroit. I just never saw it. Either that or position D was the lowest form of praise that you could possibly give to a bigman.
I'd like to have some articles from early in 1989/90 that showed how Pervis at #1 was compared to Vlade at #26. Danny Ferry was taken 2nd and fat Stacey King at 6th. How long did it take before people admitted that Vlade was the biggest steal besides Kemp at #17?
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| DancingBarry wrote: | | 310LAKERS wrote: | im not sold on Zubac.
He reminds me too much of Slava, and Chris Mihm |
He has way more of a presence on D then Slava (can't even really compare them on that end). Offensively, Slava did have some skills. Mihm was limited offensively, didn't have quite the defensive anticipation even though he moved better. |
Slava became overrated the moment Kobe threatened to take him with him.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| LAkers 4 Life wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: |
brian shaw mentioned Lakers had him @16 spot |
And the rumor is that he fell to the second round because he wanted to play right away instead of being stashed overseas. Who would have guessed that the Lakers got a first-round talent dropped to them because he wanted to play? |
Ante Zizic looks like his twin.
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/ante-zizic
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | 310LAKERS wrote: | im not sold on Zubac.
He reminds me too much of Slava, and Chris Mihm |
In what way? Slava's game is completely different than Chris Mihm whose completely different than Zubac whose completely different than Slava.
Do you mean the Russian thing and the color of their skin? LOL! |
Yeah, that's a real odd comparison. Zubac's game coudln't be any different than those two...in particular Slava. Zero similarities. |
Chick would've been able to pronounce Zubac's name, too. Remember "Meddevenko"?
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:51 am Post subject: |
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We got 2 lottery talents 3 years in a row
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