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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:44 pm    Post subject:

Too early to tell. Big year for Randle imo. He needs to really show some progression the most. Even considering he missed his rookie year. After this year I'll be able to grade JC and Randle better.

Nance is my standout pick right now, followed by JC. These picks seem excellent. The jury is still out on everyone though imo.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:50 pm    Post subject:

2014 - at #7 I was convinced vonleh was the pick, I was wrong. I though the 2nd best alternative was either to trade to #10 which was available from Philly and grab Lavine...that would have probably been better than Randle depending on what they got to move down. Clarkson move was genius.

A-

2015 - I was team Russell and nobody really knew that porzingis was that good, it was the correct pick. Nance pick was great, even though they got hammered for it at the time. A brown pick was fine. He will be out of the NBA after this season I think and although there was NBA talent available after brown, like Norman powell who I like a lot...the 2nd round is a crapshoot.

A

2016 - Ingram was a no brainier and zubac appears to be a young project who has NBA talent. As far as the logic behind the picks...flawless, who knows how it'll turn out.

A



Now if you want to talk about their free agent activity, it's been embarrassing. Begging D12 to stay, Aldridge putting them on blast for lack of basketball acumen, signing Lou, resigning sacre and young. Missing on every notable FA and this season overpaying Mozgov and deng (Mozgov was a good signing, should be for 4 million less a year and one less year, maybe 2 mil less for deng with one year less). It's not an F, but it's close...Low D.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:55 pm    Post subject:

The Grind wrote:
Too early to tell.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:07 pm    Post subject:

2014: A

2015: A

2016: this is a god dream
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:32 pm    Post subject:

I somewhat agree about the free agents but I believe we are better off without Dwight or Aldridge or Carmello. We don't get our draft picks if we signed those guys. Sometimes the best move is the one that does not happen.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:45 pm    Post subject:

I really think we got the best available player with all our picks except for Anthony Brown.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:54 pm    Post subject:

I really tried to weigh 2014 draft fairly but I just don't know, at the time, who would have been a better pick at 7 than Randle. He was an outstanding pick in the moment, and I hope he can meet the expectations everyone had for him back then. Maybe Zach Lavine would have been a good pick here, but that's the only guy I can think of.

Also DLO and Nance were such solid 2015 picks that it offsets any points I'd take off for signing Anthony Brown. At the time I was really hoping they'd get Powell at 34 last year.

Also all these grades are very subject to change after this year.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:02 pm    Post subject:

True Lakers Fan wrote:
14 (Randle, JC B+
15 (Russell, Nance, AB) A-
16 (Ingram, Zu) A+




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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:16 pm    Post subject:

still laughing at how good ingram and zubac are going to be
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:51 pm    Post subject:

Randle, still has time, but it is a make or break year for him. For a lottery pick, he hasn't delivered yet. Clarkson on the other hand was extremely good for a second round pick and showed it by signing a big $12 million a year contract 2014 B+ to A- depending on how Randle pans out this year.

DLO could emerge to be one of the best scoring PG's in the next few years, and is already showing leadership skills in his second go round. Guessing right on a tweener like Nance, might end up making up for what Randle cannot do in his game. Brown, meh, you can't find an oyster in every second round pearl. 2015 A

Ingram looks shovel ready and I think a year of playing and off season conditioning, and we may have our first really good SF since James Worthy. Zubac? We may have found our long term answer to center in a couple of years. 2016 A+
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:25 pm    Post subject:

Lakers have been great at drafting, awful at picking coaches (hoping that changes this year) and not much better at signing players (hoping next year it gets better).

Like or hate Randle, look at who was left. Clearly the right player when they selected and probably is the 3rd best player in that draft, which so far appears exceptionally weak. And I am not even sure that Parker is better. After those guys it is barren. Marcus Smart hasn't cracked the starting lineup and regressed last year. Payton can't shoot either. Zach Lavine??? More flash than substance...and that is probably the best of the rest.

Then Clarkson...I mean that was a steal in the second round.

Last year Lakers picked DLO over Okafor. Right now that feels like the right move. Okafor is hurt and proved as critics pointed out, he wasn't going to be a very good defender and that played out very clearly. We'll see over the next few years though. As for Porzingis...I mean did anyone really see that? And he may not even be better than DLO. After that taking Nance proved to be the correct pick and Brown was a second rounder that still struggles but you got two quality players in that draft.

This year they picked the obvious in Ingram, who looks like the player they thought and struck gold early in the second with Zublocka. I mean seriously they couldn't do a whole lot better than they did with the draft the last three years.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:32 pm    Post subject:

Lottery Picks from 2014 Draft's performance last year:

Wiggins: 20.7 points (45.9% fg, 30% 3p), 3.6 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1.0 steals, 0.6 blocks in 35.1 minutes
Parker: 14.1 points (49.3% fg, 25.7% 3p), 5.2 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.4 blocks in 31.7 minutes
Embiid: Hasn't played a game yet.
Gordon: 9.2 points (47.3% fg, 29.6% 3p), 6.5 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.7 blocks in 23.9 minutes
Exum: Missed season. Rookie numbers: 4.8 points (34.9% fg, 31.5% 3p), 1.6 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 0.5 steals, 0.2 blocks in 22.2 minutes
Smart: 9.1 points (34.8% fg, 25.3% 3p), 4.2 rebounds, 3.0 assists, 1.5 steals, 0.3 blocks, in 27.3 minutes
Randle: 11.3 points (42.9% fg, 27.8% 3p), 10.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.7 steals, 0.4 blocks in 28.2 minutes
Stauskus: 8.5 points (38.5% fg, 32.6% 3p), 2.5 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 0.6 steals, 0.3 blocks in 24.8 minutes
Vonleh: 3.6 points (42.1% fg, 23.9% 3p), 3.9 rebounds, 0.4 assists, 0.3 steals, 0.3 blocks in 15.1 minutes
Payton: 10.7 points (43.6% fg, 32.6% 3p), 3.6 rebounds, 6.4 assists, 1.2 steals, 0.3 blocks in 29.4 minutes
McDermott: 9.4 points (45.2% fg, 42.5% 3p), 2.4 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 0.2 steals, 0.1 blocks in 23 minutes
Saric: Has yet to play a game.
LaVine: 14 points (45.2% fg, 38.9% 3p), 2.8 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.2 blocks in 28 minutes
Warren: 11 points (50.% fg, 40% 3p), 3.1 rebounds, 0.9 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.3 blocks in 22.8 minutes
Payne: 2.5 points (36.6% fg, 28.1% 3p), 2.1 rebounds, 0.6 assists, 0.3 steals, 0.2 blocks in 9.3 minutes
Nurkic: 8.2 points (41.7% fg, 0% 3p), 5.5 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 0.8 steals, 1.4 blocks in 17.1 minutes
Clarkson: 15.5 points (43.3% fg, 34.7% 3p), 4.0 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.1 steal, 0.1 blocks in 32.3 minutes

That's the top 16 picks + Clarkson, in order of selection.

Ranks (Total of 17 people on list)

Points: Clarkson #2, Randle #5
FG%: Clarkson #7, Randle #9
3P%: Clarkson #4, Randle #10
Rebounds: Randle #1 (by 3.7 per game), Clarkson #6
Assists: Clarkson T-#4, Randle #7
Steals: Clarkson #3, Randle #9
Blocks: Randle T-#4, Clarkson T-#14

Out of those top 17 players, the only case where either Randle or Clarkson (pick #7 and #46) are outside of the top 10 is in blocks. Clarkson is in the top 5 in 5 of the 7 categories. Randle is head and shoulders above the other rebounders in his class (10.2 to 6.5), and in the top 5 in 3 of the 7 categories. I don't see how you could grade that draft at anything less than an A. Personally I think they have deserved an A for each of the past three seasons. The only pick that hasn't been a big success in that stretch is Anthony Brown.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:45 pm    Post subject:

J.C. Smith wrote:
Lottery Picks from 2014 Draft's performance last year:

Wiggins: 20.7 points (45.9% fg, 30% 3p), 3.6 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1.0 steals, 0.6 blocks in 35.1 minutes
Parker: 14.1 points (49.3% fg, 25.7% 3p), 5.2 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.4 blocks in 31.7 minutes
Embiid: Hasn't played a game yet.
Gordon: 9.2 points (47.3% fg, 29.6% 3p), 6.5 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.7 blocks in 23.9 minutes
Exum: Missed season. Rookie numbers: 4.8 points (34.9% fg, 31.5% 3p), 1.6 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 0.5 steals, 0.2 blocks in 22.2 minutes
Smart: 9.1 points (34.8% fg, 25.3% 3p), 4.2 rebounds, 3.0 assists, 1.5 steals, 0.3 blocks, in 27.3 minutes
Randle: 11.3 points (42.9% fg, 27.8% 3p), 10.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.7 steals, 0.4 blocks in 28.2 minutes
Stauskus: 8.5 points (38.5% fg, 32.6% 3p), 2.5 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 0.6 steals, 0.3 blocks in 24.8 minutes
Vonleh: 3.6 points (42.1% fg, 23.9% 3p), 3.9 rebounds, 0.4 assists, 0.3 steals, 0.3 blocks in 15.1 minutes
Payton: 10.7 points (43.6% fg, 32.6% 3p), 3.6 rebounds, 6.4 assists, 1.2 steals, 0.3 blocks in 29.4 minutes
McDermott: 9.4 points (45.2% fg, 42.5% 3p), 2.4 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 0.2 steals, 0.1 blocks in 23 minutes
Saric: Has yet to play a game.
LaVine: 14 points (45.2% fg, 38.9% 3p), 2.8 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.2 blocks in 28 minutes
Warren: 11 points (50.% fg, 40% 3p), 3.1 rebounds, 0.9 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.3 blocks in 22.8 minutes
Payne: 2.5 points (36.6% fg, 28.1% 3p), 2.1 rebounds, 0.6 assists, 0.3 steals, 0.2 blocks in 9.3 minutes
Nurkic: 8.2 points (41.7% fg, 0% 3p), 5.5 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 0.8 steals, 1.4 blocks in 17.1 minutes
Clarkson: 15.5 points (43.3% fg, 34.7% 3p), 4.0 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.1 steal, 0.1 blocks in 32.3 minutes

That's the top 16 picks + Clarkson, in order of selection.

Ranks (Total of 17 people on list)

Points: Clarkson #2, Randle #5
FG%: Clarkson #7, Randle #9
3P%: Clarkson #4, Randle #10
Rebounds: Randle #1 (by 3.7 per game), Clarkson #6
Assists: Clarkson T-#4, Randle #7
Steals: Clarkson #3, Randle #9
Blocks: Randle T-#4, Clarkson T-#14

Out of those top 17 players, the only case where either Randle or Clarkson (pick #7 and #46) are outside of the top 10 is in blocks. Clarkson is in the top 5 in 5 of the 7 categories. Randle is head and shoulders above the other rebounders in his class (10.2 to 6.5), and in the top 5 in 3 of the 7 categories. I don't see how you could grade that draft at anything less than an A. Personally I think they have deserved an A for each of the past three seasons. The only pick that hasn't been a big success in that stretch is Anthony Brown.


Nice job. I enjoy solid opinions with valid data behind.

There is a reason for Clarkson first team selection and drafting a top 5 player late in the second round with a double double machine in the same draft deserves an A.

The funny thing is that before the draft it was supposed to be the deepest class in years.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:50 pm    Post subject:

Fortysixn2 wrote:
2014 - at #7 I was convinced vonleh was the pick, I was wrong. I though the 2nd best alternative was either to trade to #10 which was available from Philly and grab Lavine...that would have probably been better than Randle depending on what they got to move down. Clarkson move was genius.


What was the trade offer for the Philly pick?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:13 pm    Post subject:

I like this question op. For those of you saying that it's too early, it's not too early to see we're very fortunate. with that said, my grades:

2014- A

Randle, in his only season at Kentucky, averaged a double-double. Randle, in his only season as a Laker averaged a double-double. That's his floor. That is excellent value at the No.7 pick in his draft.

Clarkson- come on man, this guy was "rescued" at the end of the draft, in the second round no less, No. 46 pick, and now he's just signed an extremely lucrative contract. There is absolutely no doubt in NBA circles they missed a gem until the Lakers purchased that No. 46 pick from Washington. Enough said.

2015- A

D'Angelo, Nance Jr, Brown

The only reason this not an A+ is the unreliability of Anthony Brown's shot. His defense is excellent, but if can't hit his shots it'll be five on four on the offensive end. Good thing he came to life in the last SL game because his shooting was horrible until then.


2016- Is there anything higher than an A+ ? Ingram + Zubac is a draft coup. The Lakers scouting, processing, ranking, and positioning to grab the BPA has been very, very impressive.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:15 pm    Post subject:

According to Luke, Ingram was the BPA at #1. I think we'll see why in the coming years.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:29 pm    Post subject:

KindCrippler2000 wrote:
According to Luke, Ingram was the BPA at #1. I think we'll see why in the coming years.


If the Lakers had the No.1 pick, and had taken Ingram instead of the LSU guy, there would have been an outcry if Ingram struggled at all, which he did in the middle SL games.

Whenever there would be the inevitable comparisons, Simmon's fancy passing, and him passing the eyeball test for great athleticism, would have resulted a debate for the ages. But, in the end, I've seen enough,and I would pick BI because of his defense and offense. It was the reverse before I saw him in our SL games.

While Ben is passing the ball, Brandon will be stealing his share with limbs.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:33 pm    Post subject:

Tony Anapolis wrote:
Too early to tell. Big year for Randle imo. He needs to really show some progression the most. Even considering he missed his rookie year. After this year I'll be able to grade JC and Randle better.

Nance is my standout pick right now, followed by JC. These picks seem excellent. The jury is still out on everyone though imo.



To be fair Randle was essentially a rookie last year that averaged a double double in less minutes than anyone else who averaged a double double ( like 7 people total )
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:41 pm    Post subject:

The Grind wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Lakers2015 wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Lakers2015 wrote:
2014 - B+.
2015 - A+.
2016 - A+.


Just curious why randle and clarkson are a b+.


Because neither of them have superstar potential. Getting two guys like that in Ingram and Russell in back to back drafts gives them an A+ in my book.


Ok. But you rate a draft pick relative to what was available, so unless you see a superstar picked below randle, hard to knock the pick down below an a, and if you're downgrading the 46th pick for not being a superstar, uh...


I still think Randle can be the best or 2nd best player in his class. He certainly has that potential.


I tend to agree with this rating. I initially thought maybe a B for Randle's class, but for a draft that was supposedly super deep, it turned out to be rather weak so far. Randle was best player available, and he has more upside than anyone other than Wiggins so far. We will see if Embiid can hang physically. Buying the Clarkson pick was an absolute steal. Talk about the crying Jordan meme. Bet he wish he could have that one back. So in the end, B+ sounds right to me.

The other two drafts are an A+ so far, with the only concern being Anthony Brown. Who knows what he will turn into, but the front office showed their talent scouting abilities in that draft class once again. Nance is clearly the better player and many Lakers fans felt the picks should have been done in opposite order, with Brown going 27th. They were right about going Nance first. It would have sucked to find out he was ballin' on the Spurs. They saw a potential 3&D in Brown. Those players don't grow on trees. Hopefully he can still be a reliable player for us someday.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 11:15 pm    Post subject:

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Well yeah, but we drafted those guys 7th and 46th, not 2nd overall. IMO that draft should get an A just for finding Clarkson that late. And I don't see anyone else drafted after Randle that projects to be a significantly better player.


I agree. Looking at where we picked that year, I'd give 2014 an A- at least. Randle averaged a double double in his first real season. And who expected Jordan Clarkson to develop like he did.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 11:22 pm    Post subject:

2014: A
2015: A
2016: A
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:40 am    Post subject:

nomoreshaq wrote:
Randle - A-
Clarkson - A+
Russell - A-
Nance - A+
Brown - C
Ingram - A
Zubac - A+

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:14 am    Post subject:

J.C. Smith wrote:
Lottery Picks from 2014 Draft's performance last year:

Wiggins: 20.7 points (45.9% fg, 30% 3p), 3.6 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1.0 steals, 0.6 blocks in 35.1 minutes
Parker: 14.1 points (49.3% fg, 25.7% 3p), 5.2 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.4 blocks in 31.7 minutes
Embiid: Hasn't played a game yet.
Gordon: 9.2 points (47.3% fg, 29.6% 3p), 6.5 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.7 blocks in 23.9 minutes
Exum: Missed season. Rookie numbers: 4.8 points (34.9% fg, 31.5% 3p), 1.6 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 0.5 steals, 0.2 blocks in 22.2 minutes
Smart: 9.1 points (34.8% fg, 25.3% 3p), 4.2 rebounds, 3.0 assists, 1.5 steals, 0.3 blocks, in 27.3 minutes
Randle: 11.3 points (42.9% fg, 27.8% 3p), 10.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.7 steals, 0.4 blocks in 28.2 minutes
Stauskus: 8.5 points (38.5% fg, 32.6% 3p), 2.5 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 0.6 steals, 0.3 blocks in 24.8 minutes
Vonleh: 3.6 points (42.1% fg, 23.9% 3p), 3.9 rebounds, 0.4 assists, 0.3 steals, 0.3 blocks in 15.1 minutes
Payton: 10.7 points (43.6% fg, 32.6% 3p), 3.6 rebounds, 6.4 assists, 1.2 steals, 0.3 blocks in 29.4 minutes
McDermott: 9.4 points (45.2% fg, 42.5% 3p), 2.4 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 0.2 steals, 0.1 blocks in 23 minutes
Saric: Has yet to play a game.
LaVine: 14 points (45.2% fg, 38.9% 3p), 2.8 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.2 blocks in 28 minutes
Warren: 11 points (50.% fg, 40% 3p), 3.1 rebounds, 0.9 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.3 blocks in 22.8 minutes
Payne: 2.5 points (36.6% fg, 28.1% 3p), 2.1 rebounds, 0.6 assists, 0.3 steals, 0.2 blocks in 9.3 minutes
Nurkic: 8.2 points (41.7% fg, 0% 3p), 5.5 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 0.8 steals, 1.4 blocks in 17.1 minutes
Clarkson: 15.5 points (43.3% fg, 34.7% 3p), 4.0 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.1 steal, 0.1 blocks in 32.3 minutes

That's the top 16 picks + Clarkson, in order of selection.

Ranks (Total of 17 people on list)

Points: Clarkson #2, Randle #5
FG%: Clarkson #7, Randle #9
3P%: Clarkson #4, Randle #10
Rebounds: Randle #1 (by 3.7 per game), Clarkson #6
Assists: Clarkson T-#4, Randle #7
Steals: Clarkson #3, Randle #9
Blocks: Randle T-#4, Clarkson T-#14

Out of those top 17 players, the only case where either Randle or Clarkson (pick #7 and #46) are outside of the top 10 is in blocks. Clarkson is in the top 5 in 5 of the 7 categories. Randle is head and shoulders above the other rebounders in his class (10.2 to 6.5), and in the top 5 in 3 of the 7 categories. I don't see how you could grade that draft at anything less than an A. Personally I think they have deserved an A for each of the past three seasons. The only pick that hasn't been a big success in that stretch is Anthony Brown.


Julius gets a little hate on this forum too, and it's unwarranted. I see nobody after 7 that I would rather have. Some here prefer Lavine, but I don't. And it's pretty funny that the one complaint people have is supposed Julius has t-rex arms. Funny he's the best rebounded of the bunch.

I still have high hopes for Randle. It's unbelievable the potential on this squad. This is way more exciting than Nick, Eddie, Peeler. I think people who want to trade it all away haven't been around the block to truly appreciate what we have right now.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:15 am    Post subject:

Tony Anapolis wrote:
Too early to tell. Big year for Randle imo. He needs to really show some progression the most. Even considering he missed his rookie year. After this year I'll be able to grade JC and Randle better.

Nance is my standout pick right now, followed by JC. These picks seem excellent. The jury is still out on everyone though imo.


I've seen a couple people say this and it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

If you acknowledge that he missed his entire rookie season you can't immediately say afterward that he needs to show more progress than everyone else.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:50 am    Post subject:

Fortysixn2 wrote:
2014 - at #7 I was convinced vonleh was the pick, I was wrong. I though the 2nd best alternative was either to trade to #10 which was available from Philly and grab Lavine...that would have probably been better than Randle depending on what they got to move down. Clarkson move was genius.

A-

2015 - I was team Russell and nobody really knew that porzingis was that good, it was the correct pick. Nance pick was great, even though they got hammered for it at the time. A brown pick was fine. He will be out of the NBA after this season I think and although there was NBA talent available after brown, like Norman powell who I like a lot...the 2nd round is a crapshoot.

A

2016 - Ingram was a no brainier and zubac appears to be a young project who has NBA talent. As far as the logic behind the picks...flawless, who knows how it'll turn out.

A



Now if you want to talk about their free agent activity, it's been embarrassing. Begging D12 to stay, Aldridge putting them on blast for lack of basketball acumen, signing Lou, resigning sacre and young. Missing on every notable FA and this season overpaying Mozgov and deng (Mozgov was a good signing, should be for 4 million less a year and one less year, maybe 2 mil less for deng with one year less). It's not an F, but it's close...Low D.


Love your draft analysis. Not going to claim the Lakers have been geniuses in the free agent market, but realistically speaking there was only so much they could do. Begging Dwight to stay was pretty bad. Blessing in disguise that he left; he hasn't recaptured that Orlando glory.

There's been a reality check about who we are at this time as a team, and that's a rebuilding location stars don't find appealing. For media to pile on and say, "Oh, they couldn't land Aldridge!" "Oh, they couldn't interview Durant!" It's an easy way to get a cheap ratings boost or article click, but realistically it's not the least surprising. I did like them acquiring Lou Williams - and no one else that year. And this year with Moz and Deng - though contract terms are suspect. At least their choice of targets is in line with where we are as a team. Phase 1: draft well, develop our youth. Stars come in Phase 2.
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