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LakersNewEra Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:59 am Post subject: How far is Randle from being as good as prime Odom? |
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Prime Odom was a heck of a player but so is Randle. Odom in his prime was a surprisingly good shooter and a defender. Two things he struggled with most of his career that were not exactly his strengths. Odom has the length that Randle doesn't have but Odom can't come close to Randle's strength and motor.
Luke had both the experience of playing with Odom and coaching Green, two players Randle should model himself after.
I think this season Randle will be pretty close to prime Odom, at least statistically.
Jumper and defense. Thats what he has to continue working on. He has the potential to be better than Odom IMO. |
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Jbar805 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:34 am Post subject: |
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miles away. He plays too out of control.
EDIT: KEEP IN MIND, WE DIDNT HAVE A REAL SYSTEM LAST YEAR. He still looked sloppy tho. |
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dcastillo Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Odoms problem was he was too passive at times. But when he brought it, he brought it. Those prime years with us during the run we were hard to beat when he showed up. Randle plays hard which is great but needs to control it. Play with a flow that odom played with u can say. But the tools are there anybody can see that |
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Thugnomoe Franchise Player
Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 14660 Location: unfortunately not Los Angeles anymore
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:50 am Post subject: |
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until Randle shows the ability to shoot.. he's way worse.
LO wasn't the BEST shooter.. but he could knock it down. even shoot the 3. He was a good passer too.
they're both Charging fouls waiting to happen in the open court. So he's got him there. |
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True Lakers Fan Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, he's not at Lamar's level yet... Randle is way to outta control at times. When he learns to control himself and not play bully ball always. He'll be Alright. _________________ I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying. |
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mhan00 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Lamar was better off the ball and he was a far, far, far, far ,far, far, far, far, far superior defender. I haven't seen Randle play since his summer working out, but based on his game before: he's nowhere close to prime Odom. |
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Jbar805 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:03 am Post subject: |
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#BullInAChinaShop |
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JeezyXVII Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:05 am Post subject: |
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its not even close. LOs game was fluid with both hands, a great rebounder and solid defender. Randle only tries to finish with his left, cant defend much man to man. LO had a jumper, Randle isnt consistent. LO would blow by people and then smoothly finish with a layup, Randle blows by people at times, but then drives right into the defender & has toooo many mid air adjustments (btw everytime I see him do that I keep thinking he going to land akwardly and hurt himself.. everytime!). Randles game right now is too outta control. He needs to be patient with the ball in his hand instead of pushing it and getting stuck in the middle of the key. He needs to learn to finish with both hands when he does blow by defenders and use the angles to his advantage.
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PushingtheLimit Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:11 am Post subject: |
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JeezyXVII wrote: | its not even close. LOs game was fluid with both hands. Randle only tries to finish with his left. LO had a jumper, Randle isnt consistent. LO would blow by people and then smoothly finish with a layup, Randle blows by people at times, but then drives right into the defender & has toooo many mid air adjustments (btw everytime I see him do that I keep thinking he going to land akwardly and hurt himself.. everytime!). Randles game right now is too outta control. He needs to be patient with the ball in his hand instead of pushing it and getting stuck in the middle of the key. He needs to learn to finish with both hands when he does blow by defenders and use the angles to his advantage. |
Actually one of Odom's weaknesses was the lack of a right hand. I watched him throughout his career and that was always the case. |
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Jim99187 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:14 am Post subject: |
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LO could hit a shot. Randle can't make a 5ft jumper.
there is no comparison yet. maybe this season will change that |
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gumby Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Lamar has things that Randle doesn't possess as well, length and height.
He was just built for D.
Just means Randle has to work harder to D up on someone.
Odom had the ability to close out on D even after being beat.
Bye. _________________ "This trophy removes the most odious sentence in the English Language. It can never be said again that 'the Lakers have never beaten the Celtics.'" -Dr. Jerry Buss (1985) R.I.P., 33 x M.V.O. |
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The Gr8 Lakes Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:16 am Post subject: |
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As of now the only Similarity is they are left handed. Odom was the opposite of Randle. Very in control and smooth. He was a bit too passive but when he went into "Randle" mode he was dominant. I think Randle is good but not Odom. Let's not even mention Defense. Odom was very good and underrated. Man, I miss that guy. _________________ You mystified at what exists inside
Longtime LG lurker. |
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bandiger Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Watching over half of last season nope. |
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scottpot29 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:22 am Post subject: |
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There is no comparison here. LO was a legit 6-10 ball handler (yes, I realize what that sounds like, but you never know, crap got crazy up in Nevada....) _________________ Wow. Luke has gone full (bleep) on us. - DB |
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Jim99187 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:24 am Post subject: |
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i would be v happy if Randle can become LO on both ends |
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nash Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:29 am Post subject: |
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I don't see a valid comparison here, they have different strenghts and the common ground is that both are capable to grab a board and run, that is it. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Man, folks forget how good a prime Lamar Odom was. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Randle is nothing like Odom, Randle is an alpha while Odom was a "sometimes" player. Randle wants to be the best, Odom was happy to be there. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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70sdude Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:53 am Post subject: Randle high potential but quite unlike Odom |
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I don't see Randle's career (skill mix, impact on games, season records, box scores, personal stat lines) progressing along a line that Odom's did. These are very different types of contributors. Randle will be someone else entirely, and we'll just have to wait to see what he can do. We're barely 80 games into his pro life, with a bad coach and poor talent throughout. |
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sogood. Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Not even close. Randle can't make a jumper to save his life. Randle looks often out of control while Lamar ultra smooth. Lamar was also a good defender while Randle has trouble guarding his own shadow. |
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44-25 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:03 am Post subject: |
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I always see julius randle as more of a PJ Brown. Not as long, but runs the floor, and will have PJ pts and reb stats in his career. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:06 am Post subject: |
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44-25 wrote: | I always see julius randle as more of a PJ Brown. Not as long, but runs the floor, and will have PJ pts and reb stats in his career. |
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PJ Brown was a long defender who hit 15-18 foot jumpers. Nothing like Randle.
Jules is something like Anthony Mason/Odom clone to me. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:06 am Post subject: |
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Right now Randle isn't even Anthony Mason. He'll never be similar to a prime LO in my opinion. To me, their styles aren't similar. I think Randle's ceiling will be a poor man's Charles Barkley. Which is a compliment.
A lot of people in the media were comparing him to Z-BO at first too. But I find that comp very lazy. I don't think Randle's game will ever be like Z-BO's unless he's still playing at 37 or 38 years old. |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:09 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | 44-25 wrote: | I always see julius randle as more of a PJ Brown. Not as long, but runs the floor, and will have PJ pts and reb stats in his career. |
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PJ Brown was a long defender who hit 15-18 foot jumpers. Nothing like Randle.
Jules is something like Anthony Mason/Odom clone to me. |
Ha we both mentioned Mason at the same time. |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:10 am Post subject: |
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A long, long way too go. |
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