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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:39 am Post subject: Where Does Lou Williams Fit with this New Lakers Team? |
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There has been a lot of discussion on "where Does Lou Williams Fit with this New Lakers Team?" lately.
There doesn't quite to be a consensus on LG but in this article Darius Soriano poses some interesting input into the matter.
http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2016/07/23/where-does-lou-williams-fit-with-this-new-lakers-team/#comments
Whadda ya think? |
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Vin Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:04 am Post subject: |
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I don't really see an issue with him especially on that contract. Sure his style can be frustrating but on some nights he will carry the 2nd unit. I'am sure Walton can get him to play a little more team oriented aswell. |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:05 am Post subject: |
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As long as he doesn't stop gap JC's development or take away shots from Ingram or other players then whatever he brings will be a bonus. |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Leandro Barbosa / Shaun Livingston role.
I think he could be good at it for us. |
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I think Lou is a great 6th man and will be better playing under Luke than under Byron.
But I wouldn't mind trading him if we could improve our defense.
Something like Lou for MCW and a 2nd could help both teams imo.
Bucks lost Mayo and Bayless and could use Lou's instant offense off the bench. They signed Dellevadova to be backup PG to Giannis so MCW might be expendable for them.
MCW is very similar to Livingston and does everything pretty well except shooting. His lack of shooting wouldn't be as much of a problem here as it was in Milwaukee as we could always play a good shooter like Russell or Calderon next to him who are great at playing off the ball. |
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He's an undersized SG who is almost 30. He's a poor defender and a reluctant passer. He is an average 3pt shooter who is good at getting to the line.
He's a poor fit for this offense and matched with Calderon off the bench will present one half of the worst defensive backcourt imaginable.
I am not a Lou fan at all and IMO he needs to be traded for a defensive minded SG who will pass the ball willingly to Ingram in
That 2nd unit. |
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TooMuchMajicBuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:22 am Post subject: |
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It may be foolish to expect a tiger to change his stripes, but I'm willing to suspend rationality and logic enough to see how Williams reacts to Luke's system. If he plays within the system, moves where he's supposed to move, sets screens when called upon to do so, moves the ball to the player who's wide open when the defense cracks, and adds some element, any element, of defensive effort to his game I'd stop criticizing him and I'd say he's a keeper. He's got enough skill, it's just a matter of what he prioritizes. |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:22 am Post subject: |
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One thing especially good about Lou is his low-cost contract. |
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pio2u wrote: | One thing especially good about Lou is his low-cost contract. |
He is a very tradable asset that can bring us some value if moved for a team needing instant score. I just wish Luke will keep his minutes way down to where it was last season, but if he is willing to play about 15 minutes a game without complaining he produces good value on a good deal. |
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He's not a good fit with a team full of players that have to develop. He can't defend, he's undersized, and inconsistent offensively. His style of play is frustrating to watch. I'd rather Anthony Brown be the backup 2. |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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ringfinger wrote: | Leandro Barbosa / Shaun Livingston role.
I think he could be good at it for us. |
Don't think so. Both are tall and lengthy enough to defend players. Lou is the odd man out with his height and defensive woes. |
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Guys we need some scoring off the bench do you all think Ingram is ready to handle that responsibility at this young age? If not then we have to keep Lou. |
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I still don't get why people think Lou is gonna be apart of the team next year, is it cause Jim said so, so if everything the FO says is taken as concerte then it really shows you guys have no idea how the FO operates, if someone offers anything decent for Lou he will be awaiting in LAX. |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | I still don't get why people think Lou is gonna be apart of the team next year, is it cause Jim said so, so if everything the FO says is taken as concerte then it really shows you guys have no idea how the FO operates, if someone offers anything decent for Lou he will be awaiting in LAX. |
Then where is our scoring punch off the bench is going to come from if Lou ain't here? |
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fontana3d wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | I still don't get why people think Lou is gonna be apart of the team next year, is it cause Jim said so, so if everything the FO says is taken as concerte then it really shows you guys have no idea how the FO operates, if someone offers anything decent for Lou he will be awaiting in LAX. |
Then where is our scoring punch off the bench is going to come from if Lou ain't here? |
We have enougu flexibility to make a move to shore up our SG. Do you
Really want Lou coming up and down everytime in Lukes offense by hoisting up 3's? The Lakers need a SG who can score but also play defense. |
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Barbosa role, instant scoring off the bench, 16-18mpg no more. |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | fontana3d wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | I still don't get why people think Lou is gonna be apart of the team next year, is it cause Jim said so, so if everything the FO says is taken as concerte then it really shows you guys have no idea how the FO operates, if someone offers anything decent for Lou he will be awaiting in LAX. |
Then where is our scoring punch off the bench is going to come from if Lou ain't here? |
We have enougu flexibility to make a move to shore up our SG. Do you
Really want Lou coming up and down everytime in Lukes offense by hoisting up 3's? The Lakers need a SG who can score but also play defense. |
Easier said than done. |
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Iso and free throw specialist off the bench. It will depend on how the team is playing that night. If its a bad night for the offense, he will be more ball dominant when he comes in, going for his embellishments, trying to get to the line and getting himself some open shots. If the offense is having a good night he will sneak around the edges and hope for open 3's. |
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KindCrippler2000 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Leandro Barbosa / Shaun Livingston role.
I think he could be good at it for us. |
Don't think so. Both are tall and lengthy enough to defend players. Lou is the odd man out with his height and defensive woes. |
Livingston? Sure. Barbosa? He's never defended anyone in his life.
Lou is one of the best scorers off the bench and Luke will know how to use his scoring ability. He's probably still the best pure scorer on this team and we need someone who can go for 40 on a given night because we don't really have one right now. _________________ #CowboysNation
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TooMuchMajicBuss Franchise Player
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | I still don't get why people think Lou is gonna be apart of the team next year, is it cause Jim said so, so if everything the FO says is taken as concerte then it really shows you guys have no idea how the FO operates, if someone offers anything decent for Lou he will be awaiting in LAX. |
Can't speak for everyone, but in my case it's because the OP asked how Lou will fit on this team, which imo presumes the assumption "if he's here."
I have a pretty decent idea how Mitch operates. Tight lipped, doesn't telegraph his punches, and doesn't pull the trigger unless there's a clear advantage to the Lakers for doing so.
Which means Williams is still here in November unless some GM is willing to give up a decent asset for him. |
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^not that I'd be upset if Lou were traded. He was one of my least favorite players last year. |
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TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | I still don't get why people think Lou is gonna be apart of the team next year, is it cause Jim said so, so if everything the FO says is taken as concerte then it really shows you guys have no idea how the FO operates, if someone offers anything decent for Lou he will be awaiting in LAX. |
Can't speak for everyone, but in my case it's because the OP asked how Lou will fit on this team, which imo presumes the assumption "if he's here."
I have a pretty decent idea how Mitch operates. Tight lipped, doesn't telegraph his punches, and doesn't pull the trigger unless there's a clear advantage to the Lakers for doing so.
Which means Williams is still here in November unless some GM is willing to give up a decent asset for him. |
My estimations exactly. |
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:40 am Post subject: |
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He doesn't fit with the team.
ISO player on O, begging for fouls by flopping instead of taking clean shots.
0 defense
Not a good vet like bass, deng |
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KindCrippler2000 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Leandro Barbosa / Shaun Livingston role.
I think he could be good at it for us. |
Don't think so. Both are tall and lengthy enough to defend players. Lou is the odd man out with his height and defensive woes. |
I'm not saying he'll be THEM. I'm saying, he's well suited for that type of role. Lou brings different things to the game. As does a guy like Shaun.
Shaun does bring the height and defense, but he completely lacks a 3 ball. Lou is the opposite of that.
In short, I'm looking to Lou to have a "change of pace back" type role with this team. |
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Lakers2015 wrote: | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Leandro Barbosa / Shaun Livingston role.
I think he could be good at it for us. |
Don't think so. Both are tall and lengthy enough to defend players. Lou is the odd man out with his height and defensive woes. |
Livingston? Sure. Barbosa? He's never defended anyone in his life.
Lou is one of the best scorers off the bench and Luke will know how to use his scoring ability. He's probably still the best pure scorer on this team and we need someone who can go for 40 on a given night because we don't really have one right now. |
Barbosa's height and speed made him an ideal match-up against most back-up PGs. Hell, he was better than Curry in the first two games of the finals and still provided solid defense AND bench scoring off the bench. At the very least, he has the lateral speed to keep up with most guards. Of course he's not going to shut down the Kyrie's of the league, but he's still a tier above Lou in terms of defense and lateral movement. He's one of THE quickest players in the NBA.
It's also worth noting the Warriors did not have a player below 6'3'' on their roster last season. They drafted 6'7'' Patrick Mccaw to play three positions in the future. I don't believe that will change anytime soon, as height and versatility are still the name of the game. Luke wants to bring that here and the emphasis will be on big guards who can defend. If Lou wants to see time, his defense, not his offense, will be the key.
There's a reason Toronto had significant playoff success this season without him. Cory Joseph's defensive dynamic off the bench helped them. Dwayne Casey even decried Lou's defense in public and said he didn't fit the system.
To me, it's a little like the Okafor situation. Yes, he can score the ball but it doesn't matter if he's giving up the same amount on the other end.
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