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bambam
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 Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: sure cant question kwame as a man 2 man defender |
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| vs almost all allstar big men he gives them hell.. dont forget how he stood his ground as legally as anyone could vs shaq, and now is doing it again vs yao |
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SirRunnethOfSoCal
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree. |
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Freakout
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Thats his single strength. The guy is built like a bull. |
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shnjb
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| I sure hope this isn't a mirage. |
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Aussiesuede
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: sure cant question kwame as a man 2 man defender |
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| bambam wrote: | | vs almost all allstar big men he gives them hell.. dont forget how he stood his ground as legally as anyone could vs shaq, and now is doing it again vs yao |
Don't worry. Most here would still rather see Mihm foul out guarding the likes of Yao & Shaq, or better yet...Cook defending the big guys. Haven't you heard...Kwame is absolutely worthless. Doesn't do 1 darn thing right and should be riding the bench waiting to be traded..... :roll:
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magic_bryant
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Exactly Bam. His low-post D is absolutely spectacular 1-on-1. I can't remember 1 player going off on him in the post this year. I can't stand to watch him attempt a layup, but I LOVE to watch him D up. His ability to play post D is why I'm content with the trade. It had to be made so that post players wouldn't abuse us. Might as well get the best low-block defender available cause Caron HAD to be moved as he was going to be a FA this summer.
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Strokke
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I wish Kwame could live up to my personal hopes with an offensive game that we could be proud of, but I can deal with his stone hands if he continues to D up like this. |
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magic_bryant
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Kwame really needs to work with a guy like Ho Grant. Help him out in the offense on grabbing Offensive boards and going up without rushing the layup.
Kwame's game is alot like Ho Grant's Bulls days.
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Strokke
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Wasn't Grant known for his 15 footers when he played? I would guess Kwame plays more like Rodman |
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bambam
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| magic_bryant wrote: | Kwame really needs to work with a guy like Ho Grant. Help him out in the offense on grabbing Offensive boards and going up without rushing the layup.
Kwame's game is alot like Ho Grant's Bulls days. |
If kwame could fill that role it would be awesome.
Fat chance though. Dont disrespect horace like that. Very underrated player and contributor. |
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Aussiesuede
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| magic_bryant wrote: | Kwame really needs to work with a guy like Ho Grant. Help him out in the offense on grabbing Offensive boards and going up without rushing the layup.
Kwame's game is alot like Ho Grant's Bulls days. |
Actually the person who suggested a sports psychologist is probably the most correct about what would be the most help to Kwame offensively. He HAS the talent. He just needs help getting his head together.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: sure cant question kwame as a man 2 man defender |
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| Aussiesuede wrote: | | bambam wrote: | | vs almost all allstar big men he gives them hell.. dont forget how he stood his ground as legally as anyone could vs shaq, and now is doing it again vs yao |
Don't worry. Most here would still rather see Mihm foul out guarding the likes of Yao & Shaq, or better yet...Cook defending the big guys. Haven't you heard...Kwame is absolutely worthless. Doesn't do 1 darn thing right and should be riding the bench waiting to be traded..... :roll: |
Was that sarcasm?
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Well done Kwame.
No, aussie. Most here would like more than just a low block defender. He should be giving the team 12/8 too.
And I said in all the Kwame hate threads that his one asset to this team is his low block defense.
However, it's only valuable when they face some tough matchups in there like tonight.
If he's not doing what he did tonight - he is useless. |
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| This is one of the few times I will go against what Phil normally does with this team. Kwame should NEVER play PF (ok, maybe never is too strong) ... he is best as an old fashion low post defender. He can't guard a good PF but he is great against big centers. Best one-on-one low post defender we have by far. I'd rather see Mihm take on the big PFs and keep Kwame in the middle. Or ... go back to the two headed monster at center ... KwaMihm and let's see if Cook can keep this up. |
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Aussiesuede
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Well done Kwame.
No, aussie. Most here would like more than just a low block defender. He should be giving the team 12/8 too.
And I said in all the Kwame hate threads that his one asset to this team is his low block defense.
However, it's only valuable when they face some tough matchups in there like tonight.
If he's not doing what he did tonight - he is useless. |
Sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree on the "useless" part. But leave no doubt that I've always been accused of being too patient. My patience pays off about 80% of the time and backfires the other 20%. I hope Kwame doesn't end up in that 20%. So I'm unable to join you in the "He's useless" ranks just yet. But no worries. I'm certainly the one in the lonely position with my continued support for Kwame....
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wolfpaclaker
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| Quote: | | Sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree on the "useless" part. But leave no doubt that I've always been accused of being too patient. My patience pays off about 80% of the time and backfires the other 20%. I hope Kwame doesn't end up in that 20%. So I'm unable to join you in the "He's useless" ranks just yet. But no worries. I'm certainly the one in the lonely position with my continued support for Kwame |
I want Kwame to do well.
But if he's not doing what he did tonight - how is he really helping the team?
Anyway, forget this. Kwame had a good defensive night. I will give him props for that and leave it at that. |
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junebug
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| He should play defense like today every game. But can he? :roll: |
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| Kwame can defend against centers....he's proven that against Snaq and Yao. The jury's still out on what he can do against the PF's like Brand, Garnett, Amare, Duncan....much more mobile big men. |
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| vism wrote: | | Kwame can defend against centers....he's proven that against Snaq and Yao. The jury's still out on what he can do against the PF's like Brand, Garnett, Amare, Duncan....much more mobile big men. |
I think its clear kwame is not a power forward, He's always been a center to me. he just does not have the skill or the hands to play PF!
the Lakers have three centers Mihm, kwame, and Bynum not a bad threesome. all we need now is a real power forward! at this point all we got is Cookie, Turiaf, and and an injured Slava!...not a very good threesome. hopefully Ronnie developes, he's really all we got at that position |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Kwame is a strong dude, if you just dump the ball into the big and tries to overpower Kwame, he can bang with the best of them. He gets in trouble if the opposing center is mobile and they run screens and pick and roll. But overall a nice effort by Kwame, now if he can only comes out the next game with the same effort.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: sure cant question kwame as a man 2 man defender |
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| bambam wrote: | | vs almost all allstar big men he gives them hell.. dont forget how he stood his ground as legally as anyone could vs shaq, and now is doing it again vs yao |
I think Kwame can play well when he's motivated. Which is mostly on and off. Maybe Phil's comments on his play fired him up. Hopefully he can stay that way. It's a shame. A guy with that kind of physical stats should be doing better than 6 pts 6 rbs a game. Put Cook's shooting mindset in Kwame's body and you have an elite PF. |
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Ziggy
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It was kind of sad seeing Yao fall to the ground so easily, possession after possession. I don't even mean a few times, it really felt like he fell on his arse on every possession.
Kwame's impact on a game doesn't show up in the statsheet. He did a good job of holding his ground tonight. I think he broke Yao's will. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Many of us have been saying this since the summer:
Let Kwame play C and let Mihm play PF.
Mihm has a much better all around offensive game and he doesn't give up so much weight and strength to the PF's.
Phil's the coach. I'm just watching. Every game. Damn - I'm a junkie.
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| Aussiesuede wrote: | | magic_bryant wrote: | Kwame really needs to work with a guy like Ho Grant. Help him out in the offense on grabbing Offensive boards and going up without rushing the layup.
Kwame's game is alot like Ho Grant's Bulls days. |
Actually the person who suggested a sports psychologist is probably the most correct about what would be the most help to Kwame offensively. He HAS the talent. He just needs help getting his head together. |
Thanks.
I think the guy has performance anxiety.
I don't claim the ability to due a psychological diagnosis over the tv but that appears to be the problem.
A good sports psychologist could do wonders for Kwame. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:11 am Post subject: Re: sure cant question kwame as a man 2 man defender |
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| bambam wrote: | | vs almost all allstar big men he gives them hell.. dont forget how he stood his ground as legally as anyone could vs shaq, and now is doing it again vs yao |
True, but I've never questions his man-to-man.
It's his rotations & team-defense which have always been pitiful.
Hopefully he can get better with those as the season goes on, cuz it's
already cost us a couple of games. |
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