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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:31 pm Post subject: Offense/Defense for the New Roster |
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Inputs please.
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure how to respond.
Whatever Coach Luke wants? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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defense Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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1)offensive strategy = score
2)defensive strategy = don't let them score
3)profit |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Not sure how to respond.
Whatever Coach Luke wants? |
Actually, I only know little of what he wants. |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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defense wrote: | 1)offensive strategy = score
2)defensive strategy = don't let them score
3)profit |
I can see you are a detail oriented person. |
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Vin Star Player
Joined: 03 Jan 2013 Posts: 6005 Location: France
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Makes me really wonder. Walton has a lot to think about on both ends. It would be a recipe for disaster to copy and paste the warriors schemes. |
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Dave20 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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It starts on the offensive end. We were so bad offensively and ranked almost last in every statistic that it lead to fast break points and bad defense. Our players have the physical tools to be at least average defensively this year, but they need to score efficiently first. |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Dave20 wrote: | It starts on the offensive end. We were so bad offensively and ranked almost last in every statistic that it lead to fast break points and bad defense. Our players have the physical tools to be at least average defensively this year, but they need to score efficiently first. |
If Luke is for 3Ball I don't think we're gonna be efficient.
If not I wanna know the best options for us. |
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The Logo Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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defense wrote: | 1)offensive strategy = score
2)defensive strategy = don't let them score
3)profit |
Future Head Coach right here |
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The Logo Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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As for the OP, to have a successful season, we need to be in the upper half of the league in terms of pace. No Kobe, no Hibbert this year, we finished 18th last year in pace. I expect us to finish in the top 15 minimum in terms of pace. Finished 17th last year in transition usage, putting out 1 PPP at a 3.4 percentile, I expect those numbers to be higher. Finished 1st in isolation usage last year, putting out .77 PPP at a 13.8 percentile. Kobe, Randle, and Clarkson were the biggest culprits, in terms of isolation usage, as all three used over 100 possessions. Randle should lower his numbers significantly. |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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The Logo wrote: | As for the OP, to have a successful season, we need to be in the upper half of the league in terms of pace. No Kobe, no Hibbert this year, we finished 18th last year in pace. I expect us to finish in the top 15 minimum in terms of pace. Finished 17th last year in transition usage, putting out 1 PPP at a 3.4 percentile, I expect those numbers to be higher. Finished 1st in isolation usage last year, putting out .77 PPP at a 13.8 percentile. Kobe, Randle, and Clarkson were the biggest culprits, in terms of isolation usage, as all three used over 100 possessions. Randle should lower his numbers significantly. |
Too bad, I wanted to ISO Ingram to death at the high post. |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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...and DLO at the low post. |
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lakerlove123 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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I posted in another thread that I expected ~106 PPG for the first half of the season, till the All-Star break. Don't know what I was thinking. Relating to the question, I don't know enough or have the desire to go into great detail, so I'll speak to methodology. What we've gotten from Luke is that he will be all about the "method," rather than wins, i.e. playing the right way. Frankly, I would expect the first half of the season to be very "cautious," i.e. players trying to play the "right way," so I would expect us to be no better than average on the offense end. I think we will be average on the defensive end, however, too. The guys seem to understand that playing free but smart will be a priority. |
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nash Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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Last season
Offense:
Do nothing for about 14 seconds, pass to Kobe if he is open or ISO.
Defense:
Man up
This season:
Anything would be a huge progress. |
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Rivershow Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Hero Ball wrote: | The Logo wrote: | As for the OP, to have a successful season, we need to be in the upper half of the league in terms of pace. No Kobe, no Hibbert this year, we finished 18th last year in pace. I expect us to finish in the top 15 minimum in terms of pace. Finished 17th last year in transition usage, putting out 1 PPP at a 3.4 percentile, I expect those numbers to be higher. Finished 1st in isolation usage last year, putting out .77 PPP at a 13.8 percentile. Kobe, Randle, and Clarkson were the biggest culprits, in terms of isolation usage, as all three used over 100 possessions. Randle should lower his numbers significantly. |
Too bad, I wanted to ISO Ingram to death at the high post. |
I think he will get some usage there especially with the second unit. |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Still a little upset we wont (or haven't) added a defensive coach _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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danzag Franchise Player
Joined: 28 Apr 2013 Posts: 22313 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Offense: Don't believe in 3 pointers
Defense: Man up
Life advice: Get into the foxhole |
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fiendishoc Star Player
Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 8488 Location: The (real) short corner
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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If only there were a video series called Laker Film Room available to give us the answers .
Seriously though, I'll get this season's Xs and Os thread started soon. I think the principles that Luke will bring in are very suited for this roster. |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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lakerlove123 wrote: | I posted in another thread that I expected ~106 PPG for the first half of the season, till the All-Star break. Don't know what I was thinking. Relating to the question, I don't know enough or have the desire to go into great detail, so I'll speak to methodology. What we've gotten from Luke is that he will be all about the "method," rather than wins, i.e. playing the right way. Frankly, I would expect the first half of the season to be very "cautious," i.e. players trying to play the "right way," so I would expect us to be no better than average on the offense end. I think we will be average on the defensive end, however, too. The guys seem to understand that playing free but smart will be a priority. |
I think we'll be way below average on defense. Mosgov is a good defender at a slow pace, but on a quicker athletic team he won't be as effective. Randle is a poor defender, and we have many young players, who typically take longer to adapt to NBA defense. Deng will help on defense, but more as a PF than a SF. |
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lounger Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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defense wrote: | 1)offensive strategy = score
2)defensive strategy = don't let them score
3)profit |
Man, where were you when the Lakers badly needed a head coach before Bscott?!?
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Scoffs Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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1. Run, run, run. Play 10 players to keep everyone fresh.
2. Don't double off of shooters on defense. We got killed by hot shooters when we double post players who don't score much.
3. Russell needs to run the offense and have the ball in his hands most of the time.
4. Lots of pick and rolls with Clarkson/Randle/Nance. |
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defense Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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lounger wrote: | defense wrote: | 1)offensive strategy = score
2)defensive strategy = don't let them score
3)profit |
Man, where were you when the Lakers badly needed a head coach before Bscott?!?
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I was there in spirit telling at my tv.
"Play some defense"
"Someone make a basket"
Real in depth basketball knowledge |
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Top 3 offense
Top 3 defense |
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Lakers2015 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Offense - Ball Movement, no isolation plays, push the pace, lots of off ball action.
Defense - Ball pressure, sound team defense, get to the right switches, funneling toward the baseline, trap screen and rolls, good hedges, and no over helping and quicker rotations. _________________ #CowboysNation
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Offense: Have fun. Share the ball. Get more shot attempts than the opponent.
Defense: Have fun. Be accountable. |
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