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| What grade do you give the Lakers offseason (coach, free agency, draft)? |
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1. Coaching-- (4.5)
2. Free Agency - (2.58)
a. Mozgov: 2.0
b. Deng: 3.0
c. Clarkson: 4.5
d. Calderon: 2
e. Black: 3
f. Huertas: 1
3. Draft (4.25)
a. Ingram: 4.5
b. Zubac: 4.0
AVERAGE: 3.77 |
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Draft:A+
Ingram has star potential and might end up being the best player from this draft class. Zubac was a lottery level talent and getting him at #32 is a major steal. He will be at the very least a quality backup C and possibly an above average starter in a couple of years.
Coaching:A
After suffering through the last two seasons of Byron, getting Luke is a breath of fresh air. He will install a culture similar to the Warriors and will be great in developing and communicating to all of our young players. He is also young himself so he can grow with this team and will be a long term solution at the position.
Free agency:B
Deng, Mozgov, and Calderon are all high character veterans which will help Luke establish a culture here. While none are stars they are consistent, reliable veterans who you know what you're going to get from them every single night while allowing our young players to grow and not impede their development. Clarkson and Black were signed to reasonable contracts and will thrive playing in a new system under a different coach. We also preserved cap flexibility and have the ability to sign a player to a max contract next offseason.
Overall grade:A- |
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1. Coaching: 5 (Fired Byron, added the hottest head coaching recruit in the league [IMO] that fits our talent/team well. I couldn't be any happier with how this went.)
2. Free Agency: 3.58 (Added skilled vets, but overpaid by necessity. Did a great job resigning talent at a reasonable rate. Unfortunately in our position it was hard to expect much better.)
Mozgov: 1.5
Deng: 3.5
Clarkson: 5
Calderon: 3.5
Black: 5
Huertas: 3
3. Draft: 5 (Selected Ingram as expected, picked up a highly skilled big man that is surprising many. This couldn't have gone better in my book.)
Ingram: 5
Zubac: 5
Average: 4.53
I give it an A- overall. |
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Fire Byron/hire Luke: 4
Draft Ingram: 5
Draft Zubac: 5
Mozgov: 3
Deng: 4
Clarkson: 5
Calderon: 4
Black: 4
Huertas: 3
Average: 4.11 |
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What are people's thoughts on weighing coaching/drafting/FA equally?
And I didn't have the time/effort to do so, but within the FA category, you could also weigh it by % of cap. So, Mozgov's impact is obviously more than Huertas's from a cap value perspective.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:49 am Post subject: |
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A, A, C
B overall |
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| We were 17 wins and utterly without hope. Now we have promise. To go from one of the worst Fs to a D pass is night and day, to me that is an A. |
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Interesting analysis:
| Quote: | The Synopsis
In the glamour market that is Los Angeles, a path to rebuilding methodically and organically typically isn’t a route that earns any rave reviews. But if this was a team located in say, Milwaukee or Memphis, there’s a good bet this offseason would be viewed through a different lense. What the Lakers seem have to done is start a layered approach -- finding low maintenance vets to complement burgeoning youth -- and given a young coach an opportunity to build a new culture from scratch. A lot of their success will hinge on how Walton fares, but things are certainly looking more promising for the Lakers.
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http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/242926/Los-Angeles-Lakers-How-To-Make-The-Offseason-Win-Work-On-The-Court
I agree with this.
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The problem with this is we're rewarding decisions that were blatantly obvious and anyone on this board would have known to do it.
Firing Byron: Obvious Decision.
Hiring Luke Walton: Obvious Decision.
Drafting Brandon Ingram: Obvious Decision.
Resigning Jordan Clarkson: Obvious Decision.
It's equal to taking gym classes to boost your GPA. |
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yinoma2001
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| kaoss128 wrote: | The problem with this is we're rewarding decisions that were blatantly obvious and anyone on this board would have known to do it.
Firing Byron: Obvious Decision.
Hiring Luke Walton: Obvious Decision.
Drafting Brandon Ingram: Obvious Decision.
Resigning Jordan Clarkson: Obvious Decision.
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1. There were legit concerns that the Lakers, out of loyalty, would keep Byron on.
2. Further, once he was fired, there possibilities that we could hire a retread as a coach.
3. Ingram, sure. But do teams penalize the 76ers for taking Simmons or the TWolves for taking KAT?
4. re: JC, could have signed him for more $ (IIRC his max was 21m/year?), let him walk, etc.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | kaoss128 wrote: | The problem with this is we're rewarding decisions that were blatantly obvious and anyone on this board would have known to do it.
Firing Byron: Obvious Decision.
Hiring Luke Walton: Obvious Decision.
Drafting Brandon Ingram: Obvious Decision.
Resigning Jordan Clarkson: Obvious Decision.
It's equal to taking gym classes to boost your GPA. |
1. There were legit concerns that the Lakers, out of loyalty, would keep Byron on.
2. Further, once he was fired, there possibilities that we could hire a retread as a coach.
3. Ingram, sure. But do teams penalize the 76ers for taking Simmons or the TWolves for taking KAT?
4. re: JC, could have signed him for more $ (IIRC his max was 21m/year?), let him walk, etc. |
1. Only by those who worry about everything or were trying to get clicks.
2. Again Luke was the obvious choice.
3. Who said anything about penalizing? No one is rewarding the 76ers for taking Simmons. They did what they were supposed to do.
4. Letting him walk would have been stupid. Paying him more would have been stupid because other teams wouldn't have been able to pay him more. Again they made the obvious decision.
I didn't say anything about penalizing them for these decisions. I'm just not going to reward them for making the same obvious decisions that any average person on this board would have made. |
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yinoma2001
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| kaoss128 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | kaoss128 wrote: | The problem with this is we're rewarding decisions that were blatantly obvious and anyone on this board would have known to do it.
Firing Byron: Obvious Decision.
Hiring Luke Walton: Obvious Decision.
Drafting Brandon Ingram: Obvious Decision.
Resigning Jordan Clarkson: Obvious Decision.
It's equal to taking gym classes to boost your GPA. |
1. There were legit concerns that the Lakers, out of loyalty, would keep Byron on.
2. Further, once he was fired, there possibilities that we could hire a retread as a coach.
3. Ingram, sure. But do teams penalize the 76ers for taking Simmons or the TWolves for taking KAT?
4. re: JC, could have signed him for more $ (IIRC his max was 21m/year?), let him walk, etc. |
1. Only by those who worry about everything or were trying to get clicks.
2. Again Luke was the obvious choice.
3. Who said anything about penalizing? No one is rewarding the 76ers for taking Simmons. They did what they were supposed to do.
4. Letting him walk would have been stupid. Paying him more would have been stupid because other teams wouldn't have been able to pay him more. Again they made the obvious decision.
I didn't say anything about penalizing them for these decisions. I'm just not going to reward them for making the same obvious decisions that any average person on this board would have made. |
So how do you rate the coach/draft components since you're not "rewarding" them for "obvious" moves?
Sometimes making the "obvious" moves isn't inevitable. Look at the past 3 years.
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I gave it a B
Draft: A+
Love both picks
Coaching staff: B+
I like Luke, Shall is a proven assistant, I like the other guys, but I believe a defensive specialist could help a bit further
Free agency: C
This is ok, a B (signing a second tier all star) was almost impossible, it's an A (signing 2 all stars together) or a C (solid good veterans while building around the young core), we went with a C.
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a B overall
We got vets and fundamental players that will benefit the kids greatly.
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yinoma2001
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Hopefully John Ireland is reading this and can use this as his "scientific poll source." 
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| kaoss128 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | kaoss128 wrote: | The problem with this is we're rewarding decisions that were blatantly obvious and anyone on this board would have known to do it.
Firing Byron: Obvious Decision.
Hiring Luke Walton: Obvious Decision.
Drafting Brandon Ingram: Obvious Decision.
Resigning Jordan Clarkson: Obvious Decision.
It's equal to taking gym classes to boost your GPA. |
1. There were legit concerns that the Lakers, out of loyalty, would keep Byron on.
2. Further, once he was fired, there possibilities that we could hire a retread as a coach.
3. Ingram, sure. But do teams penalize the 76ers for taking Simmons or the TWolves for taking KAT?
4. re: JC, could have signed him for more $ (IIRC his max was 21m/year?), let him walk, etc. |
1. Only by those who worry about everything or were trying to get clicks.
2. Again Luke was the obvious choice.
3. Who said anything about penalizing? No one is rewarding the 76ers for taking Simmons. They did what they were supposed to do.
4. Letting him walk would have been stupid. Paying him more would have been stupid because other teams wouldn't have been able to pay him more. Again they made the obvious decision.
I didn't say anything about penalizing them for these decisions. I'm just not going to reward them for making the same obvious decisions that any average person on this board would have made. |
They could have paid Clarkson more so I'm not sure what point you're making. IIRC a team could've offered him 4yrs/58M or something like that (poison pilled at that). |
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It's truly ironic that some would think firing Byron/hiring Luke was "obvious."
Why do you think we were in a position where Byron had to be fired in the first place? B/c the Lakers didn't make the "obvious" right coaching choice in the first place.
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| B+ Overall. |
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- We fired Byron which shouldn't of even been a question. Hired a new positive voice in Luke, Would of liked more experience on coaching staff and a defensive coach added
-We had a great draft, Zubac looks like a starting C 2-3 years from now.
-Picked up 2 solid parts that fit although I hate the years on the deals. Would of preferred 3 year deals, with the last being unguaranteed or a TO. Would have kept flexibility open to offer a max in 2017 AND 2018 (Westbrook, Paul George, DMC). Year 4 will most likely be ugly for both Deng and Mozgov.
-Was able to get a solid vet back up PG along with picking up 2 more valuable draft picks
Coach B+
Draft A+
FA C-
Trade A+
Overall B-
Patience looks to be the name of the game right now
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How is Calderon a good signing now? When last season when NY signed him, people said Calderon isn't a good player/signing?
Mozgod, Deng, and Clarkson are quality signings. Not A level. But I can accept B.
But Huertas, Calderon, and Black aren't coveted players in the slightest. 2 of those players weren't good enough to get consistent minutes on the 2nd worst team in the league last year (us). Don't understand how that equates to a B free agency. C seems more appropriate.
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Pretty much agree with Yinoma, maybe a little lower on FA's but not much. It would be picking nits.
Coaching has a large +/-. Really depends on how good the assistants turn out to be. And if Luke is really ready to be a head coach. I suspect things will be good on this front, so will go with a 4 - 5
FA: Average 3.8 - 3.9
Mozgov is an upgrade from Hilbert, pun intended. 3.5
Deng is a solid addition who will help us on a number of levels. Can help Randle and Ingram. 4.5
Clarkson was a good resign, but an expected one with no bantering. 4-4.5
Huertas is a good PG but was not pursued by anyone else that I heard of, easy signing, good locker room guy, can help DLO. 3.5
Calderon is a good pickup because he cost us nobody and can help DLO and be good trade bait, should a trade come up. 4
Black is a great hustle guy, who can play two positions for us. 3.5
Draft: Average 4.75
Ingram 5
Zublocka 4.5
Overall 4.18 - 4.55 B+
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | It's truly ironic that some would think firing Byron/hiring Luke was "obvious."
Why do you think we were in a position where Byron had to be fired in the first place? B/c the Lakers didn't make the "obvious" right coaching choice in the first place. |
If theories of why they hired Byron (to promote Kobe's last two seasons) are correct, they did hire the obvious and right choice. I think the out in the year that Kobe retired supports that as well.
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| kikanga wrote: | How is Calderon a good signing now? When last season when NY signed him, people said Calderon isn't a good player/signing?
Mozgod, Deng, and Clarkson are quality signings. Not A level. But I can accept B.
But Huertas, Calderon, and Black aren't coveted players in the slightest. 2 of those players weren't good enough to get consistent minutes on the 2nd worst team in the league last year (us). Don't understand how that equates to a B free agency. C seems more appropriate. |
We got 2 2nd rounders on an expiring deal for a backup pg who can play 15mpg and hit the 3.
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| kikanga wrote: | How is Calderon a good signing now? When last season when NY signed him, people said Calderon isn't a good player/signing?
Mozgod, Deng, and Clarkson are quality signings. Not A level. But I can accept B.
But Huertas, Calderon, and Black aren't coveted players in the slightest. 2 of those players weren't good enough to get consistent minutes on the 2nd worst team in the league last year (us). Don't understand how that equates to a B free agency. C seems more appropriate. |
We didn't sign him, we took his contract in exchange for two draft picks. That is what makes adding Calderon good, cap space next offseason and two draft picks.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | How is Calderon a good signing now? When last season when NY signed him, people said Calderon isn't a good player/signing?
Mozgod, Deng, and Clarkson are quality signings. Not A level. But I can accept B.
But Huertas, Calderon, and Black aren't coveted players in the slightest. 2 of those players weren't good enough to get consistent minutes on the 2nd worst team in the league last year (us). Don't understand how that equates to a B free agency. C seems more appropriate. |
We didn't sign him, we took his contract in exchange for two draft picks. That is what makes adding Calderon good, cap space next offseason and two draft picks. |
Fair enough. I don't think we need those picks on the basketball court (since we have a ton of young prospects already). But they could be used as trade assets down the line.
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