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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:35 pm    Post subject:

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It's gonna come down to coaching. We have had talent the last couple of years but the coaching was pathetic... If Luke is what we all expect then everything will fall into place with the players making impact.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:39 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:56 pm    Post subject:

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No one.

It's gonna come down to coaching. We have had talent the last couple of years but the coaching was pathetic... If Luke is what we all expect then everything will fall into place with the players making impact.


Wow, that's a laugh.

Coaching was pathetic, but the back court talent sucked, the front court played worse, and the wings were small and slow. Pathetic rosters, really.

We've lived in the cellar for a lot of reasons.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:58 pm    Post subject:

I think Nance is underrated with regard to his effect on a team. He does everything else while the scorers score.

DLO, Ingram, Randle, Nance, Deng, Clarkson, and one of Zubac or Mosgov could all have a very significant impact on this team, each in very different ways... hopefully at least two or three of the younger players start realizing their sky-high potential as the season progresses.

Defense, lots of bb fundamentals like how to set picks or move without the ball, team defense, situational recognition, understanding the play book, and outside shooting are all areas where the Lakers would benefit greatly as players improve.

If I had to pick one player with the potential for most impact I'd say DLO this year, Ingram next 3 or 4 years.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:28 pm    Post subject:

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Inspector Gadget wrote:
No one.

It's gonna come down to coaching. We have had talent the last couple of years but the coaching was pathetic... If Luke is what we all expect then everything will fall into place with the players making impact.


Wow, that's a laugh.

Coaching was pathetic, but the back court talent sucked, the front court played worse, and the wings were small and slow. Pathetic rosters, really.

We've lived in the cellar for a lot of reasons.


Talent might not be the right word to use, but we had potential to win more then 27/21/17 games we saw in recent years, coaching prevented the team from winning more.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:19 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Wilkes52 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
No one.

It's gonna come down to coaching. We have had talent the last couple of years but the coaching was pathetic... If Luke is what we all expect then everything will fall into place with the players making impact.


Wow, that's a laugh.

Coaching was pathetic, but the back court talent sucked, the front court played worse, and the wings were small and slow. Pathetic rosters, really.

We've lived in the cellar for a lot of reasons.


Talent might not be the right word to use, but we had potential to win more then 27/21/17 games we saw in recent years, coaching prevented the team from winning more.


I'd say D'Antoni got close to maxing out the talent three years ago. That roster was dreadful.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:22 pm    Post subject:

EVERY PLAYER'S DEVELOPMENT AND IMPROVEMENT WILL BE CRITICAL IF THIS TEAM IS GOING TO HAVE ANY KIND OF SUCCESS.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 6:05 pm    Post subject:

KBH wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Wilkes52 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
No one.

It's gonna come down to coaching. We have had talent the last couple of years but the coaching was pathetic... If Luke is what we all expect then everything will fall into place with the players making impact.


Wow, that's a laugh.

Coaching was pathetic, but the back court talent sucked, the front court played worse, and the wings were small and slow. Pathetic rosters, really.

We've lived in the cellar for a lot of reasons.


Talent might not be the right word to use, but we had potential to win more then 27/21/17 games we saw in recent years, coaching prevented the team from winning more.


I'd say D'Antoni got close to maxing out the talent three years ago. That roster was dreadful.


I would say Kobe's epic run after the all star break was the reason we were winning and the fact that the Howard/Kobe chemistry was on a high level.

I'm not saying he wasn't the reason, but MDA was at his best when he had a elite stretch 4 in Amare and great shooters to make his offense work in Phoenix.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 6:49 pm    Post subject:

TooMuchMajicBuss wrote:
I think Nance is underrated with regard to his effect on a team. He does everything else while the scorers score.

DLO, Ingram, Randle, Nance, Deng, Clarkson, and one of Zubac or Mosgov could all have a very significant impact on this team, each in very different ways... hopefully at least two or three of the younger players start realizing their sky-high potential as the season progresses.

Defense, lots of bb fundamentals like how to set picks or move without the ball, team defense, situational recognition, understanding the play book, and outside shooting are all areas where the Lakers would benefit greatly as players improve.

If I had to pick one player with the potential for most impact I'd say DLO this year, Ingram next 3 or 4 years.



I agree. People tend to overlook players if they aren't averaging 20 ppg but there are many ways to impact the game and nance seems to have figured this out. He's def a championship piece and he's going to gain a lot of fans this year. I also agree on Russell and Ingram. I expect Russell to be our number 1 option this season and going forward. He's the man and I think everyone (inside the organization knows it). Ingram will take a few years to burst on he scene but I can see him still having impact as a 3&D wing off the bench. He can use his length to lock some guys up and just focus on knocking down open jumpers for now.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:48 am    Post subject:

I'd say Russell because he will have the ball in his hands the most. Randle would probably be my #2, then Ingram (still developing) and Clarkson tied at #3. I like Nance and Zubac but I think Nance will have less opportunities to stand out, and Zubac won't get enough playing time early on.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:24 am    Post subject:

Ingram has unusually high potential, so I have him highest.

Russell probably second highest, but with a caveat: a hunch he's the second coming of the Deron Williams profile, not really a guy who leads teams to wins.

Deng next, solid defender for an older player but limited in terms of overall impact because his shot is so poor.

Randle is impressive around the rim but he doesn't defend anyone real well and he too can't hit a thing outside 12', so he's currently falling to fourth here.

Mozgov is a clod, nothing special at all. Zubac might make it in this league, but he might not. I'm not confused by his Summer work: he's a massive project who's already suffered at significant foot injury (2014). Warning bells !

Clarkson next, a decent rotation guard. Average NBA player.

At best, Nance is a specialist glue guy which is a type of asset that any team would like to have, but without starring talent around him, his impact makes little difference in the W-L column. We don't have the starring talent so far.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:22 am    Post subject:

Interesting article:

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How does a guard/wing rotation of D’Angelo Russell, Jordan Clarkson, and Brandon Ingram shake out now and for the future?

Cody Williams: Jordan Clarkson right now is the most interesting piece on the Lakers to me. The work that he’s put in to be fully deserving of the contract he signed this summer is incredible. That being said, Clarkson still looks like a sixth man playing as a starting guard simply because the Lakers aren’t very good right now.

Meanwhile, D’Angelo Russell is 100 percent in the correct role. He showed flashes last season of what he can be when he’s allowed freedom as a starting point guard and it feels inevitable that Luke Walton will allow him that freedom. Moreover, you have to like the notion of Clarkson eventually coming off of the bench and the offensive threat that lineup will present some time down the road.

Ingram is the interesting piece that could really bring it all together eventually as a potential lockdown defender and lethally versatile offensive player. However, I don’t think we’re going to be seeing much of that in LA this season as Luol Deng is going to be seeing most of the minutes (at least early on in the year if not for the entire season) alongside Russell and Clarkson. So for this year, we probably will only get rare glimpses at that rotation.

For the future, though, that rotation has the potential to be something incredible offensively. With the right progression, all three players will have the ability to attack the rim off the dribble but also to knock down shots on the perimeter. While Ingram may appear to be the only potentially great defender, there’s also still hope as to what that rotation can do on that end eventually.


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In the short term, when adding Luol Deng to the equation, I think Ingram will end up being a bit of the odd man out. Russell and Clarkson are 30+ minute a night players. Deng, meanwhile, will get at least 25 minutes a night, and probably more if he plays some PF. This doesn’t leave a ton of minutes for Ingram, and he probably ends up being a 25 minute a night guy who might even end up sitting in crunch time.

In the long term, I think Clarkson ends up being a sixth man who can be an instant-offense, second unit anchor while Ingram and Russell become front line starters. That’s nothing against Clarkson who continues to outplay his draft slot through hard work and a commitment to improve. But, when looking at his profile, overall feel for the game (beyond creating his own shot), and physical attributes for his position — especially when compared to Russell and Ingram, who both offer elite size for a point guard and small forward respectively — Clarkson’s ceiling looks to be lower than his two teammates who were picked in the high lottery.


http://fansided.com/2016/08/03/los-angeles-lakers-offseason-review/
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:23 am    Post subject:

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Kaveh Jam: The success of that core depends on how quickly they develop individually. From a coaching perspective, Luke Walton feels like the quintessential guy to flush that out. The elite lineups in the NBA are usually such because each individual piece is a seamless mesh with another. That doesn’t happen until the chemistry begins to materialize.

Russell’s play took an immense leap in Summer League after pocketing one year of NBA experience. He led everyone in scoring (minimum four games), showed elite command of the ball, and was much less awkward in breaking the defense down off the dribble than he did a year ago on the same stage.

Clarkson functioned best last season as a dual-threat combo guard, which means sliding him on-and-off between the shooting-guard spot should only enhance his scoring and attacking opportunities. A lineup featuring those two plus Ingram feels like it should flourish in a spread offense a la Golden State. Still, their ceiling as a unit will largely depend on individual development. Russell’s growth will need to continue upward in trajectory, Clarkson will need to increase efficiency while staying aggressive offensively, and Ingram will need to adapt to playing with grown men. If everything breaks right, this core has the potential to be one of the more entertaining young rotations in the league.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:29 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:36 am    Post subject:

pio2u wrote:
EVERY PLAYER'S DEVELOPMENT AND IMPROVEMENT WILL BE CRITICAL IF THIS TEAM IS GOING TO HAVE ANY KIND OF SUCCESS.


This is how I see it. If that doesn't happen, say hello to the lottery sweepstakes once again lol
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:02 am    Post subject:

Very interesting question.

if you pointed it at me, I'd have to for Russell, Deng, Nance.

If we're talking impact for the next 3 years its those three players
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:13 am    Post subject:

Clarkson. Or more specifically the guy he gets traded for. (Just kidding)

It's got to be D'lo/Ingram. You need top 20 players to attract top tier FA's, and those two have the potential to get there. That's the most likely way we rise out of mediocrity.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:54 pm    Post subject:

You need Russell and Ingram to meet their potential. Otherwise, you are in the position to rely on Clarkson and Nance becoming all-stars. Now, they both could get there (its realistically possible, especially with their respective work ethics), but you don't want to rely on that because right now their ceilings don't project to that. If Russell and Ingram both become what we hope they will, everyone else is gravy.

Notice I didn't mention Randle. What is amazing about him is that if Russell and Ingram become top talents, we don't need Randle to be anything more than he already is, just like Clarkson and Nance would be good enough. However, what's awesome too is that Randle still has all-star potential. If he can somehow achieve that potential, with both Ingram and Russell meeting theirs, we could have a dynasty on our hands and a very well rounded, balanced team.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:56 pm    Post subject:

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You need Russell and Ingram to meet their potential. Otherwise, you are in the position to rely on Clarkson and Nance becoming all-stars. Now, they both could get there (its realistically possible, especially with their respective work ethics), but you don't want to rely on that because right now their ceilings don't project to that. If Russell and Ingram both become what we hope they will, everyone else is gravy.

Notice I didn't mention Randle. What is amazing about him is that if Russell and Ingram become top talents, we don't need Randle to be anything more than he already is, just like Clarkson and Nance would be good enough. However, what's awesome too is that Randle still had all-star potential. If can somehow achieve that potential, with both Ingram and Russell meeting theirs, we could have a dynasty on our hands and a very well rounded, balanced team.


Spot on as usual. With a high #2 pick, the expectations for DLO/Ingram are franchise players. With Jules, getting to be a long-time starter is good though he can be better than that. With JC/Nance/Zubac, it's really several nice cherries on top.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:29 pm    Post subject:

I believe it's Julius.

He is as erratic as talented and still averaged a double double as a rookie.

Dlo is improving his scoring ways, JC should keep improving, Nance is also looking better, with Ingram and Zubac it will take time since they are too young to be difference makers, so it falls on Julius back. If he could somewhat find ways to shoot in the 50% range and improve his defensive awareness and presence this is going to be a so much better team.

With Julius I'm really not a doubter neither a believer, he has so many question marks to the good or to the bad. Since he lacks that role player character I don't know what to do with him if he didn't find ways to polish his game, but developing his skills and with some knowledge of the game Randle can be a lot to handle for any PF.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:33 pm    Post subject:

I think Randle needs to take a big leap forward. Just blue collar bruising and banging and of course the jumper.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:46 pm    Post subject:

Lakers keys to success this season:

1. Russell: can he learn to lead and run the team effectively

2. Randle: can he continue to improve, especially in scoring and defense

3. Clarkson: can he provide 15-20 ppg and play better defense

4. Mozgov: can he lead the defensive pressure on this squad

5. Deng: can he lead/mentor this young group
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:28 am    Post subject:

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I believe it's Julius.

He is as erratic as talented and still averaged a double double as a rookie.

Dlo is improving his scoring ways, JC should keep improving, Nance is also looking better, with Ingram and Zubac it will take time since they are too young to be difference makers, so it falls on Julius back. If he could somewhat find ways to shoot in the 50% range and improve his defensive awareness and presence this is going to be a so much better team.

With Julius I'm really not a doubter neither a believer, he has so many question marks to the good or to the bad. Since he lacks that role player character I don't know what to do with him if he didn't find ways to polish his game, but developing his skills and with some knowledge of the game Randle can be a lot to handle for any PF.


Interesting angle. Randle does have a huge variance, because he can be really bad in terms of on court impact. If he managed to become a positive impact player (which is reasonably asking for 13/10/3 on 50% shooting with good defense, screens, and no ISO), that can go a long way to shoring up the team.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:28 pm    Post subject:

Dave20 wrote:
Clarkson
Russell
Ingram


I'm with Dave.
I think JC really needs to have a breakout year this year. This year will show if
he is gonna be a star or just an average player. Feel pretty good him, looks like he has been putting in work. The other rooks have some time to develop still, will expect more out of them next year.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:19 pm    Post subject:

Quite the range of names and the diversity of impact rankings. It seems fair to say there's not much agreement around LG about this roster having one team star upon whom the primary responsibility for the period's trajectory is expected to land.

Maybe that's a good thing for fans, maybe not. If no one guy is consistently named as the near-term team heavyweight, the roster is either balanced, lacking leadership - or both.
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